waldorf34 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 https://g.co/kgs/TyrVjX. Highland cathedral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 I kinda like Amazing Grace, OK so it's a hymn but the lyrics could be secularized like in this Janis Joplin version... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Or perhaps this version by the greatest Scotsman of all time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 I kinda like Amazing Grace, OK so it's a hymn but the lyrics could be secularized like in this Janis Joplin version... Yeah, let's go for a song written by a slave trader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 43 minutes ago, Slarti said: Yeah, let's go for a song written by a slave trader. Who converted to being an abolitionist prior to writing the hymn, seems ideal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Bud the Baker said: Who converted to being an abolitionist prior to writing the hymn, seems ideal to me. So did a lot of folk whose statues are being pulled down. Apparently he apologised for being involved in it but kept all the money he made from it - so not THAT sorry, then. Personally, I don't think that a national anthem should be in any way associated with something like slavery, be associated with any religion, not be disparaging to other nations and promote the history and ideals of the nation. It should also, IMO, be written by someone of the respective nationality (or be a traditional song from the country of undetermined authorship). My preference would be to have a new one written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Slarti said: So did a lot of folk whose statues are being pulled down. Apparently he apologised for being involved in it but kept all the money he made from it - so not THAT sorry, then. Personally, I don't think that a national anthem should be in any way associated with something like slavery, be associated with any religion, not be disparaging to other nations and promote the history and ideals of the nation. It should also, IMO, be written by someone of the respective nationality (or be a traditional song from the country of undetermined authorship). My preference would be to have a new one written. Then I guess it might be an appropriate choice for a country that tries it's best not to acknowledge it's connection to the slave trade. It's a song about redemption and was a favourite during the civil rights movement in the US back in the 60s, they didn't seem to think Newton's chequered past invalidated the message of the song but we live in less forgiving times. It was a bit of a tongue in cheek suggestion however so I'll leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) Even with JJ performing it, Amazing Grate is a bit of a dirge. feel free to NOT leave it here. sorry. Just realised that, as an expat, I probably am not allowed an opinion in this vital element of scottishtry. Edited September 29, 2020 by antrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 Even with JJ performing it, Amazing Grate is a bit of a dirge. feel free to NOT leave it here. [emoji4] sorry. Just realised that, as an expat, I probably am not allowed an opinion in this vital element of scottishtry. You're allowed an opinion on it, maybe just not a vote. [emoji38] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 Then I guess it might be an appropriate choice for a country that tries it's best not to acknowledge it's connection to the slave trade. It's a song about redemption and was a favourite during the civil rights movement in the US back in the 60s, they didn't seem to think Newton's chequered past invalidated the message of the song but we live in less forgiving times. It was a bit of a tongue in cheek suggestion however so I'll leave it there. I think we live in a time where information about people is more readily available. If that makes us less forgiving then so be it.The same tune is used to sing Psalm 23, The Lord's My Shepherd, so, for that reason alone, I'd say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 You're allowed an opinion on it, maybe just not a vote. [emoji38]Maybe?[emoji846] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 20 hours ago, Slarti said: I think we live in a time where information about people is more readily available. If that makes us less forgiving then so be it. The same tune is used to sing Psalm 23, The Lord's My Shepherd, so, for that reason alone, I'd say no. People knew, I knew without you having to tell me - did you have to look it up? The clue is in the lyrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 People knew, I knew without you having to tell me - did you have to look it up? The clue is in the lyrics.Look what up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 2:22 PM, Slarti said: So did a lot of folk whose statues are being pulled down. Apparently he apologised for being involved in it but kept all the money he made from it - so not THAT sorry, then. Personally, I don't think that a national anthem should be in any way associated with something like slavery, be associated with any religion, not be disparaging to other nations and promote the history and ideals of the nation. It should also, IMO, be written by someone of the respective nationality (or be a traditional song from the country of undetermined authorship). My preference would be to have a new one written. So an athem about slaying English people is ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 So an athem about slaying English people is ok?Understanding the written word doesn't seem to be your strong point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Slarti said: 11 hours ago, God of war said: So an athem about slaying English people is ok? Understanding the written word doesn't seem to be your strong point. And being civil and answering the question in hand doesn't seem to be yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 13 hours ago, Slarti said: 16 hours ago, Bud the Baker said: On 9/29/2020 at 6:33 PM, Slarti said: I think we live in a time where information about people is more readily available. If that makes us less forgiving then so be it. The same tune is used to sing Psalm 23, The Lord's My Shepherd, so, for that reason alone, I'd say no. People knew, I knew without you having to tell me - did you have to look it up? The clue is in the lyrics. Look what up? What we're talking about, Newton's conversion from being a slave trader to being an abolitionist. I knew without having to look it up, I presume you knew too and nobody else seems to care. I'm sure many in the civil rights movement knew about Newton's chequered history too, but they were clearly happy to take his tale of redemption at face value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 And being civil and answering the question in hand doesn't seem to be yours.The answer to your question was in the post you quoted when asking your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 What we're talking about, Newton's conversion from being a slave trader to being an abolitionist. I knew without having to look it up, I presume you knew too and nobody else seems to care. I'm sure many in the civil rights movement knew about Newton's chequered history too, but they were clearly happy to take his tale of redemption at face value.Yep, I knew.I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of those in the civil rights movement never knew, just saw a well known hymn written by a preacher (and with relevant lyrics) and said "that'll do". I also take his tale of redemption at face value but that doesn't change the fact that he personally profited from the slave trade.I think this just shows that two people, presented with the same facts, can come to two entirely different opinions on a matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted October 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 13 hours ago, Slarti said: Yep, I knew. I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of those in the civil rights movement never knew, just saw a well known hymn written by a preacher (and with relevant lyrics) and said "that'll do". I also take his tale of redemption at face value but that doesn't change the fact that he personally profited from the slave trade. I think this just shows that two people, presented with the same facts, can come to two entirely different opinions on a matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted October 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 “ In a big country dreams stay with you Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside Stay alive.” The guitars in this sound like bagpipes and always makes me feel Scottish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, ALBIONSAINT said: “ In a big country dreams stay with you Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside Stay alive.” The guitars in this sound like bagpipes and always makes me feel Scottish Certainly STILL gives me a Homesick thrill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted October 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Amazing grace How sweet the sound That saved a wretch like me I once was lost But now I'm found Was blind, but now I see 'Twas grace that taught My heart to fear And grace my Fears relieved How precious did That grace appear The hour I first believed Through many dangers Toils and snares We have already come 'Twas grace hath brought Us safe thus far And grace will lead us home When we've been there Ten thousand years Bright shining as the sun… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Aye. A dirge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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