Brilliant Disguise Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 17 hours ago, alanb said: JG says in B and W mag interview that a player caught it from his mother, who works as a carer. I await with interest the line of defence used in the appeal process and want a victory. However the Robust Defence stance taken in the case so far leaves me less than confident Good to see at least we are not going at this alone as Kilmarnock are to appeal also The SPFL have to respond to our defence in detail. It is in our interest to raise every ambiguity that exists with this pandemic and force the SPFL to provide detailed clarity and justification on every incident. No one deliberately goes out to catch this. Nor are their any guarantees that by following all of the protocols and guidance that you will not get it. Look Boris team and Trumps team have all contracted the virus. Scrub that don’t use that as an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 54 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said: The SPFL have to respond to our defence in detail. It is in our interest to raise every ambiguity that exists with this pandemic and force the SPFL to provide detailed clarity and justification on every incident. No one deliberately goes out to catch this. Nor are their any guarantees that by following all of the protocols and guidance that you will not get it. Look Boris team and Trumps team have all contracted the virus. Scrub that don’t use that as an example. Aye, if you blatantly ignore the rules you greatly INCREASE the chances of getting it and passing it onto some other unsuspecting soul. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 Aye, if you blatantly ignore the rules you greatly INCREASE the chances of getting it and passing it onto some other unsuspecting soul. [emoji849]Any evidence for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Slarti said: Any evidence for that? It's the only qualification I got, an A in Common Sense. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, faraway saint said: It's the only qualification I got, an A in Common Sense. 😁 Naw, that was an "Eh???" in common sense you got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/buddie-banter-st-mirren-killie-23148291 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankin_panda Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, munoz said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/buddie-banter-st-mirren-killie-23148291 It’s my feelings entirely - I said this earlier in this thread. Regardless of who pulled the head plug on games, other clubs had games cancelled for players breaching Covid rules. Needs to be an equal punishment. Another thing on this article I found strange - was not only are hibs pinching our players - but also our kit man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Bristol Rovers have their next 2 games cancelled after Covid-19 outbreak. Maybe we should ask the English League to run our league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original 59er Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 15 hours ago, Tommy said: Bristol Rovers have their next 2 games cancelled after Covid-19 outbreak. Maybe we should ask the English League to run our league I noticed that in the papers, so I wonder what the English authorities are going to do, take a leaf out of the SPFL book, or go about it in the proper manner, investigate fully why it occurred, decide if it could have been avoided by the CLUB, then take appropriate action, be it a fine, some other less draconian penalty such a forfeiture, or exoneration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Sunderland now have their next 3 matches cancelled. Wonder who will be next ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westmarcher Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 It's just occurred to me - Motherwell's top scorer is currently the SPFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original 59er Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 What I'm not quite understanding is that in every league table I look at, both Motherwell and Hamilton are credited with the points they gained through the SPFL decision, which is technically under appeal, which essentially makes these decisions and outcomes as a temporary position rather that a confirmed decision. Yet no asterisks or bracketed explanation at the bottom of each table!? I'm not suggesting that we may have to ultimately accept our fates, but the league currently should not be skewed by the decisions until it is completed properly, right through all appeal procedures. So that should reflect 6 points less for Motherwell and 3 less for Hamilton and also games to be played by all teams involved, i.e. two less for Motherwell & Saints and one less for Killie and Hamilton. Innocent until proven guilty and all appeal procedures are exhausted comes to mind. All I want is consistency, so the transgressions by all are treated the same way. As has been said before, how can relegation or a European position be decided by the inconsistent decisions of a Kangaroo court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted December 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Original 59er said: All I want is consistency, so the transgressions by all are treated the same way. As has been said before, how can relegation or a European position be decided by the inconsistent decisions of a Kangaroo court? The SPFL is a members club to which St Mirren signed up. it can make decisions on behalf of those clubs (but mostly in favour of the Twin Cheeks). Clubs have bought into that structure. It is illegal to challenge it in Law (unless you are sevco, it seems) relegation by kangaroo court was done with reference to Hearts, Thistle and Stranraer. Remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 37 minutes ago, The Original 59er said: What I'm not quite understanding is that in every league table I look at, both Motherwell and Hamilton are credited with the points they gained through the SPFL decision, which is technically under appeal, which essentially makes these decisions and outcomes as a temporary position rather that a confirmed decision. Yet no asterisks or bracketed explanation at the bottom of each table!? I'm not suggesting that we may have to ultimately accept our fates, but the league currently should not be skewed by the decisions until it is completed properly, right through all appeal procedures. So that should reflect 6 points less for Motherwell and 3 less for Hamilton and also games to be played by all teams involved, i.e. two less for Motherwell & Saints and one less for Killie and Hamilton. Innocent until proven guilty and all appeal procedures are exhausted comes to mind. All I want is consistency, so the transgressions by all are treated the same way. As has been said before, how can relegation or a European position be decided by the inconsistent decisions of a Kangaroo court? I don't know if that is necessary, the appeal is to overturn not validate. We have been found guilt of the charges and have admitted the breach, it's more to challenge the severity which in a fair world, should absolutely be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delpierro Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Yeep, the only thing i can see changing is a reduction in the fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, antrin said: The SPFL is a members club to which St Mirren signed up. it can make decisions on behalf of those clubs (but mostly in favour of the Twin Cheeks). Clubs have bought into that structure. It is illegal to challenge it in Law (unless you are sevco, it seems) relegation by kangaroo court was done with reference to Hearts, Thistle and Stranraer. Remember? Not really the same situation as all clubs had a vote on that. Also, there was a "stricter time limit" on that decision. To me, the only other option would have been to postpone the end of last season then complete it when allowed but, of course, that would have resulted in teams having different squads and teams with larger budgets being able to strengthen more than others in a "third window" for that one season. No matter what was decided, some teams would have won and some would have lost and I bet the teams that were relegated would have voted for it had been others in that position. There was essentially no win-win situation. I doubt our situation would have been duplicated if it had been the clubs represented on the panel (or whatever you call them) that had been up for breaches. There were also free midweeks when our postponed games could have been played but we weren't allowed to until the SPFL had made their decision, which makes the whole thing even more of a farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, delpierro said: Yeep, the only thing i can see changing is a reduction in the fine. And that's really the one thing that shouldn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted December 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 50 minutes ago, delpierro said: Yeep, the only thing i can see changing is a reduction in the fine. A reduction? I also doubt that a reduction CAN happen.. The fine is essentially £0.00, surely? I was under the impression that it's a suspended fine till sometime next summer, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, antrin said: A reduction? I also doubt that a reduction CAN happen.. The fine is essentially £0.00, surely? I was under the impression that it's a suspended fine till sometime next summer, isn't it? They could say that if we don't breach the rules again before the end of the season that they will give us £40,000. Is that a "reduction"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted December 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Slarti said: They could say that if we don't breach the rules again before the end of the season that they will give us £40,000. Is that a "reduction"? No. To quote an accomplished shit-stirrer: "I'm not saying that, but some might." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, antrin said: No. To quote an accomplished shit-stirrer: "I'm not saying that, but some might." Who would ever say a thing like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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turrabuddie Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Very interesting, particularly given the club had apparently breached COVID rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankin_panda Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, turrabuddie said: Very interesting, particularly given the club had apparently breached COVID rules. I don’t expect SPFL to take the same stance, despite this and what’s happened down south. I would be pleasantly surprised if they did.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turrabuddie Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 I don’t expect SPFL to take the same stance, despite this and what’s happened down south. I would be pleasantly surprised if they did.... I don’t think any clubs have confidence in the SPFL, but what was interesting is that it was the Italian Olympic committee that overturned the original ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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