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If i and others were speeding on the motorway, i wouldn't be moaning if i was the only one that got caught and punished.

I broke the rules, got caught and got punished.

If others get away with it, so be it. 

Instead of being angry at the SPFL, our anger should be toward the staff at our club for being idiots.

 

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54 minutes ago, Tommy said:

If i and others were speeding on the motorway, i wouldn't be moaning if i was the only one that got caught and punished.

I broke the rules, got caught and got punished.

If others get away with it, so be it. 

Instead of being angry at the SPFL, our anger should be toward the staff at our club for being idiots.

 

I get the analogy, but not sure it stacks up when you're talking about a football league with 12 teams in it.  You can't really have the rules (whatever they are) being applied on some kind of discretionary basis in this context or the whole thing becomes a farce.  The SPFL have set a precedent of sorts here which they will need to stick to. 

To be fair, there is plenty of frustration being directed towards the club and the board - and rightly so.  None more so I suspect than from JG and the players who lose most out of this.  If there were procedures to be followed which were not then it goes without saying that these needs to be reviewed, and it sounds like they are.  That should not be in dispute and I don't think it is, for the most part.     

What is also understandable though is the frustration towards the SPFL.  There is a general sense that they have felt the need to hammer a couple of clubs in this particular instance by dishing out defeats when the time felt right to them.   The fact that we are being lambasted in the report for not sitting two metres apart at a table, for example, while the wider Scottish football public and authorities overlook (/ celebrate) the likes of the Davie Marshall Scotland team conga just sums up how obscure the whole situation is.  

Anyway, onwards to this afternoon.

 

 

 

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I get the analogy, but not sure it stacks up when you're talking about a football league with 12 teams in it.  You can't really have the rules (whatever they are) being applied on some kind of discretionary basis in this context or the whole thing becomes a farce.  The SPFL have set a precedent of sorts here which they will need to stick to. 
To be fair, there is plenty of frustration being directed towards the club and the board - and rightly so.  None more so I suspect than from JG and the players who lose most out of this.  If there were procedures to be followed which were not then it goes without saying that these needs to be reviewed, and it sounds like they are.  That should not be in dispute and I don't think it is, for the most part.     
What is also understandable though is the frustration towards the SPFL.  There is a general sense that they have felt the need to hammer a couple of clubs in this particular instance by dishing out defeats when the time felt right to them.   The fact that we are being lambasted in the report for not sitting two metres apart at a table, for example, while the wider Scottish football public and authorities overlook (/ celebrate) the likes of the Davie Marshall Scotland team conga just sums up how obscure the whole situation is.  
Anyway, onwards to this afternoon.
 
 
 
SPFL had no say over the international team. It's the SFA that runs them.

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JG gave an interview in the recent BAWA magazine in part talking of the COVID issues

Possibly laying the case for the future defence, Ralston is their protected bubble and once players are off campus then hard to mitigate. A case was where a player tested positive after seeming to get infected via his mother who worked as a carer

Also tries to highlight flaws in the testing process. Once twice a week on Monday and Thursday then told by SPFL to reduce the test to Monday only due to costs. As a test only proves how you are on that day, when Saturday comes, who knows if you are possibly +be by then.

Changes made in line with advice at Ralston and outsourcing catering too but was still not enough so wonder why ?

Could be complacent or naive, maybe even just bad luck but lessons were not learned after initial infections and the keeper crisis 

Onward and upwards 

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2 hours ago, FPA said:

I get the analogy, but not sure it stacks up when you're talking about a football league with 12 teams in it.  You can't really have the rules (whatever they are) being applied on some kind of discretionary basis in this context or the whole thing becomes a farce.  The SPFL have set a precedent of sorts here which they will need to stick to. 

To be fair, there is plenty of frustration being directed towards the club and the board - and rightly so.  None more so I suspect than from JG and the players who lose most out of this.  If there were procedures to be followed which were not then it goes without saying that these needs to be reviewed, and it sounds like they are.  That should not be in dispute and I don't think it is, for the most part.     

What is also understandable though is the frustration towards the SPFL.  There is a general sense that they have felt the need to hammer a couple of clubs in this particular instance by dishing out defeats when the time felt right to them.   The fact that we are being lambasted in the report for not sitting two metres apart at a table, for example, while the wider Scottish football public and authorities overlook (/ celebrate) the likes of the Davie Marshall Scotland team conga just sums up how obscure the whole situation is.  

Anyway, onwards to this afternoon.

 

 

 

Like the Hearts relegation, the SPFL (the organisation created by and for the clubs) has, rather than be flexible and understanding in a crisis) interpreted the rules of the clubs own organisation in a manner that hurts its participants and is likely to come back and bite them.

 

I was disgusted when Spartans had Saints punished due to playing youth players on the  pitch thus offering them opportunity to learn and progress - rather than having them warm a bench; I was disgusted when Hearts Partick and Thistle were so heavily penalised - relegated halfway through a season when each of them could well have turned it round; I'm disgusted again by the level of punishment meted out to our beloved diddy club in this pandemic..

I'm getting less and less interested in Scottish fitba.

 

What's the point?  :(

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On 12/4/2020 at 9:25 AM, God of war said:

Hate this grassing and dicipline people. Mistakes were mate and you learn and move on. People's jobs, livelihoods at stake, ffs wouldnt want u in my corner.

Whats Dicipline ?

oh, and i have no desire to be anywhere with you, far less your corner .

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ok, I somewhat suspect that the chances of having the penalties rescinded are next to zero, but there will be a general feeling of being totally pi**ed off circulating the club, both inside and out.

If the Manager ever needed anything to gee the players up and to get them to knuckle down and show the high heid yins what we are made of, then this is the perfect background.

So JG, here is one very large excuse to get them going out there and show them all up, tell them it's a great injustice and that we will not be brow beaten!:hammer

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17 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said:
17 hours ago, stlucifer said:
It's nothing to do with "what". Are you so simple you can't read? It's about "HOW" the players caught the virus.  No one can say for certain the flaunting of the rules caused the outbreak so the SPFL, given they punished us and killie because we couldn't fulfil our commitment, have inflicted the punishment on an assumption. Not a fact.

The cause of the outbreak is totally irrelevant. We were not punished for having cases of C19 that's almost a given. We didn't follow the protocol designed to prevent the spread once a positive case was identified. Whether the spread was directly attributed to the breach is again irrelevant. Not really sure what people can't grasp here. All member clubs signed up to follow defined protocols. Saints for reasons so far not explained decided not to and a consequence of that was we were unable to fulfill 2 fixtures. People unwilling to accept we did wrong even after the club plead guilty is just bizarre. No matter how stupid anyone thinks the rules are, we as a club agreed to abide by those rules. We didn't, the club got caught, we then admitted that at an enquiry and have been punished.

They didn't sign up to be punished because some of their staff gt ill though. The punishment for not following procedure is correct. The fine, suspended or otherwise, is justifiable. Forfeiting two games for not having enough players is not. IF the losses were because of "not following procedure" then, even if you agree with losing a game because of it, which I think is ludicrous, then, in that case, we have been punished twice for one occurrence while Killie have been punished one game. No matter how you look at it, it's idiotic.

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Points should be won or lost on the football pitch what about so-called sporting integrity listening to the Motherwell and Hamilton managers today makes me sick to the core

They didn't sign up to be punished because some of their staff gt ill though. The punishment for not following procedure is correct. The fine, suspended or otherwise, is justifiable. Forfeiting two games for not having enough players is not. IF the losses were because of "not following procedure" then, even if you agree with losing a game because of it, which I think is ludicrous, then, in that case, we have been punished twice for one occurrence while Killie have been punished one game. No matter how you look at it, it's idiotic.

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29 minutes ago, Desperately Seeking Susans said:

Yes, they should be penalised but prior to that they were unfairly demoted a place.

Yeah,I know what you mean.

Guy on Radio Scotland came up with rather than gifting points to opponents you should deduct the points from the “guilty” party.

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4 hours ago, stlucifer said:

in that case, we have been punished twice for one occurrence 

Strangely, that's the way I looked at it. 

Hypothetically speaking, if players had to self isolate for 14 days, possibly missing three Saturdays and had two midweek games.  Season over. :shockaroony

 

 

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Waiting patiently on one of two outcomes:-

- our club comes out and defends our position & refutes the OTT punishment handed out.

- our club apologies whole heartedly for letting the club and fans down given their privileged position during this pandemic.

I don’t think one of the above is too much to ask.

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3 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

What's really galling is that we were given a warning with the 3 keepers situation and yet passed up the opportunity to tighten procedures.

What we should really have done is copied Celtic and bought our own machine, meaning no-one else sees their test results. They've been an examplar of how to handle this - not one positive test. Until their players go on international duty......

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A suspended points deduction of 6 points would have been an appropriate punishment.  If we f**ked up again before the end of the season then it’s 6 points off, this would ensure that the games actually got played.

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