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All sorted then. What's the verdict. 
Probably guilty, guilty, guilty with the punishment of 3-0 defeats for the whole season - it is Scottish fitba authorities after all.

Seeing as Killie only postponed one game, they will get to play one game (the rest being 3-0 defeats) which they will lose 4-0 get relegated, with us winning the playoff and staying up. :whistle

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I've got to say fair enough to the club  if they want to appeal the decision but I cannot see it being overturned, what would be interesting to see if the same punishment is handed out to any other clubs that have to cancel games if they cant field a team for whatever reason.

Reading in to it all the financial penalty was for the covid breaches and the 3-0 losses for being unable to field a team, which is standard even down as far, say, sunday league football.

What makes 2 of the breaches even worse was 1) the disregard for whatever establishment catered for the pre-match meal which would have to have made themselves covid compliant, and 2) also a disregard for the company that provides team coach, who would have to have made coach covid compliant with very visible signs for which seats etc to be used.

I do however think there probably has been a major baw kicking from the new directors and would be very, very surprised if we have a repeat of this.

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47 minutes ago, Slarti said:


 

 


But this isn't a court case ar all, criminal or civil. So you can stick your lesson up yer arse. emoji850.png

Even if you were right, there is no evidence at all that the rule breaking caused the spread, therefore there can be no preponderance. The only honest answer to the question of whether it did is "Nobody knows". There isn't even any way that anyone could logically apply an accurate probability to it.

 

Nicola Sturgeon suggested one reason why numbers were going up in Scotland in October was people taking daytrips and weekends away in Blackpool and I think she conceded that although it looked like there was a link she couldn't prove (beyond reasonable doubt) one person had caught the virus by taking a trip to Blackpool and catching it there.

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Technically the Government "advised the Spfl to postpone the games".

The same scenario arrived earlier in the season when Celtic and Aberdeen should have met in the league but the Scottish Government banned them from playing due to covid breaches... no forfeits!

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9 hours ago, Cumbriansaint72 said:

I've got to say fair enough to the club  if they want to appeal the decision but I cannot see it being overturned, what would be interesting to see if the same punishment is handed out to any other clubs that have to cancel games if they cant field a team for whatever reason.

 

Now that they're aware of the consequences, they'll all be testing they're reserve players.  I don't believe St.Mirren were the only one not. 

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8 hours ago, Yflab said:

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38 minutes ago, pod said:

Now that they're aware of the consequences, they'll all be testing they're reserve players.  I don't believe St.Mirren were the only one not. 

I agree but not every club publicises the fact they were short of goalkeepers and then having to loan one in from of all clubs, Hearts. Unfortunately once you do this, then anything that follows after this will be looked into in depth by SFA, etc.

Other clubs I'd say have and no doubt will go in for the 'injury crisis' and emergency loan deals instead of being honest 

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17 hours ago, alanb said:

JG says in B and W mag interview that a player caught it from his mother, who works as a carer.
I await with interest the line of defence used in the appeal process and want a victory. However the Robust Defence stance taken in the case so far leaves me less than confident 

Good to see at least we are not going at this alone as Kilmarnock are to appeal also

The SPFL have to respond to our defence in detail. It is in our interest to raise every ambiguity that exists with this pandemic and force the SPFL to provide detailed clarity and justification on every incident.

No one deliberately goes out to catch this. Nor are their any guarantees that by following all of the protocols and guidance that you will not get it.

Look Boris team and Trumps team have all contracted the virus. Scrub that don’t use that as an example.

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54 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said:

The SPFL have to respond to our defence in detail. It is in our interest to raise every ambiguity that exists with this pandemic and force the SPFL to provide detailed clarity and justification on every incident.

No one deliberately goes out to catch this. Nor are their any guarantees that by following all of the protocols and guidance that you will not get it.

Look Boris team and Trumps team have all contracted the virus. Scrub that don’t use that as an example.

Aye, if you blatantly ignore the rules you greatly INCREASE the chances of getting it and passing it onto some other unsuspecting soul. 🙄

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1 hour ago, munoz said:

It’s my feelings entirely - I said this earlier in this thread. Regardless of who pulled the head plug on games, other clubs had games cancelled for players breaching Covid rules. Needs to be an equal punishment. 
 

Another thing on this article I found strange - was not only are hibs pinching our players - but also our kit man?

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15 hours ago, Tommy said:

Bristol Rovers have their next 2 games cancelled after Covid-19 outbreak.

Maybe we should ask the English League to run our league :rolleyes:

I noticed that in the papers, so I wonder what the English authorities are going to do, take a leaf out of the SPFL book, or go about it in the proper manner, investigate fully why it occurred, decide if it could have been avoided by the CLUB, then take appropriate action, be it a fine, some other less draconian penalty such a forfeiture, or exoneration?

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What I'm not quite understanding is that in every league table I look at, both Motherwell and Hamilton are credited with the points they gained through the SPFL decision, which is technically under appeal, which essentially makes these decisions and outcomes as a temporary position rather that a confirmed decision. Yet no asterisks or bracketed explanation at the bottom of each table!? 

I'm not suggesting that we may have to ultimately accept our fates, but the league currently should not be skewed by the decisions until it is completed properly, right through all appeal procedures. So that should reflect 6 points less for Motherwell and 3 less for Hamilton and also games to be played by all teams involved, i.e. two less for Motherwell & Saints and one less for Killie and Hamilton.

Innocent until proven guilty and all appeal procedures are exhausted comes to mind.:huh:

All I want is consistency, so the transgressions by all are treated the same way. As has been said before, how can relegation or a European position be decided by the inconsistent decisions of a Kangaroo court?

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8 minutes ago, The Original 59er said:

 

All I want is consistency, so the transgressions by all are treated the same way. As has been said before, how can relegation or a European position be decided by the inconsistent decisions of a Kangaroo court?

The SPFL is a members club to which St Mirren signed up.

it can make decisions on behalf of those clubs (but mostly in favour of the Twin Cheeks). 
Clubs have bought into that structure.  It is illegal to challenge it in Law (unless you are sevco, it seems)

relegation by kangaroo court was done with reference to Hearts, Thistle and Stranraer.  Remember?

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37 minutes ago, The Original 59er said:

What I'm not quite understanding is that in every league table I look at, both Motherwell and Hamilton are credited with the points they gained through the SPFL decision, which is technically under appeal, which essentially makes these decisions and outcomes as a temporary position rather that a confirmed decision. Yet no asterisks or bracketed explanation at the bottom of each table!? 

I'm not suggesting that we may have to ultimately accept our fates, but the league currently should not be skewed by the decisions until it is completed properly, right through all appeal procedures. So that should reflect 6 points less for Motherwell and 3 less for Hamilton and also games to be played by all teams involved, i.e. two less for Motherwell & Saints and one less for Killie and Hamilton.

Innocent until proven guilty and all appeal procedures are exhausted comes to mind.:huh:

All I want is consistency, so the transgressions by all are treated the same way. As has been said before, how can relegation or a European position be decided by the inconsistent decisions of a Kangaroo court?

I don't know if that is necessary, the appeal is to overturn not validate. We have been found guilt of the charges and have admitted the breach, it's more to challenge the severity which in a fair world, should absolutely be successful.

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