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1 minute ago, faraway saint said:

Almost another copy and paste response.

Why don't you nip over to the match day thread and give Div it big time for being another moaning fan? 

Never once have I given the view people can’t or shouldn’t be frustrated about what’s going on. Div & others are well within their right, my issue is with the St Moan loyal for whom the club can consistently do no right… but again, of course they’re entitled to those opinions. 

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Just now, bazil85 said:

Never once have I given the view people can’t or shouldn’t be frustrated about what’s going on. Div & others are well within their right, my issue is with the St Moan loyal for whom the club can consistently do no right… but again, of course they’re entitled to those opinions. 

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2 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

As we often see on here, the only allowed opinions are the negative ones. Someone has a more positive spin and it gets shot down.
 

Oh well, cancel all the shirts, take a massive hit, cover it by selling McGrath on the cheap. 👍

You are incredible.

I literally laid out 4 options and acknowledged that we have to rule out option A (which from a consumer only perspective is actually the best resolution) as it’s too much to ask of the club.

You are incapable of even seeing other perspectives. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said:

You take risks based on what you can afford to lose. Sounds like poor judgement or complacency. 

That’s not true of all business, not even close. 
 

In this occasion as well, St Mirren could afford to lose it, they turned around a new sponsor in days. We are a club that has operated within its means right through the last ownership model. How many Scottish clubs can say that?  

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2 minutes ago, Maboza said:

You are incredible.

I literally laid out 4 options and acknowledged that we have to rule out option A (which from a consumer only perspective is actually the best resolution) as it’s too much to ask of the club.

You are incapable of even seeing other perspectives. 

 

 

My comment was on cancelling all the strips & stopping selling them, as per the post I was responding to originally, sorry if that wasn’t clear. I would say you have some really strong options in there. 

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2 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

My comment was on cancelling all the strips & stopping selling them, as per the post I was responding to. I would say you have some really strong options in there. 

Oh ffs, I laid out the extreme ends and literally said that b & c, as the middle ground are reasonable. The only strong option left in the debate was yours, which you stuck to on you melodramatic reply. 
 

Anyway, I’m fast recognising there’s literally no point engaging with you. Any discussion just gets shouted down as negativity as you aim to drown out debate or questioning of the club. 
 

Meanwhile: 

Strips - sub standard

Season tickets - late going on sale 

Season ticket cards - late being delivered 

Return of crowds - not maximising attendance for first games back after 16 months 

Return of away fans - not confirmed , more lost revenue 

Kiosks - not ready 

1877 club - not ready 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

That’s not true of all business, not even close. 
 

In this occasion as well, St Mirren could afford to lose it, they turned around a new sponsor in days. We are a club that has operated within its means right through the last ownership model. How many Scottish clubs can say that?  

Last week you were Joe Beltrami with your knowledge of law this week your Alan Sugar with your knowledge on business no ends to your talent.

St Mirren have lost face over the shirt sponsor debacle. They can’t according to you can not afford to write the shirts off and the fans should just buy the shirt as it’s helping the club. 

It’s easy to get one of the Directors of the Club to sponsor the shirts to save face. We have a Partner in a law firm on the board yet the contract with Skyview was as watertight as Harry Kane’s agreement with Daniel Levy

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14 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said:

Last week you were Joe Beltrami with your knowledge of law this week your Alan Sugar with your knowledge on business no ends to your talent.

St Mirren have lost face over the shirt sponsor debacle. They can’t according to you can not afford to write the shirts off and the fans should just buy the shirt as it’s helping the club. 

It’s easy to get one of the Directors of the Club to sponsor the shirts to save face. We have a Partner in a law firm on the board yet the contract with Skyview was as watertight as Harry Kane’s agreement with Daniel Levy

Pointing out your errors and poor due diligence isn’t really a talent, you make it really easy. 
 

Do you think I will be the only fan that doesn’t want to see St Mirren take a hit on this sponsorship/ shirt situation? It isn’t really a case of can or can’t afford, St Mirren won’t go out of business regardless of what way they play this. It’s a matter of where the lost money is made up & I imagine there’s a decent chance it would be from the player budget. I personally do not want that at any cost regarding the shirts, I won’t change my opinion on that, you’ll just have to accept I’m keeping it. It’s not to say St Mirren won’t make a different call. 
 

Regardless of how easy or not it is, it’s telling that some of the St moan loyal automatically blame the club for the Skyview situation IMO. 

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23 minutes ago, Maboza said:

Oh ffs, I laid out the extreme ends and literally said that b & c, as the middle ground are reasonable. The only strong option left in the debate was yours, which you stuck to on you melodramatic reply. 
 

Anyway, I’m fast recognising there’s literally no point engaging with you. Any discussion just gets shouted down as negativity as you aim to drown out debate or questioning of the club. 
 

Meanwhile: 

Strips - sub standard

Season tickets - late going on sale 

Season ticket cards - late being delivered 

Return of crowds - not maximising attendance for first games back after 16 months 

Return of away fans - not confirmed , more lost revenue 

Kiosks - not ready 

1877 club - not ready 

 

 

And the Official Match Programme has a Morecambe FC player featured prominently on the front cover.

Some think that's a hanging offence by the Club.

Ah dinnae.

Decent Cover

 

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21 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

Pointing out your errors and poor due diligence isn’t really a talent, you make it really easy. 
 

Do you think I will be the only fan that doesn’t want to see St Mirren take a hit on this sponsorship/ shirt situation? It isn’t really a case of can or can’t afford, St Mirren won’t go out of business regardless of what way they play this. It’s a matter of where the lost money is made up & I imagine there’s a decent chance it would be from the player budget. I personally do not want that at any cost regarding the shirts, I won’t change my opinion on that, you’ll just have to accept I’m keeping it. It’s not to say St Mirren won’t make a different call. 
 

Regardless of how easy or not it is, it’s telling that some of the St moan loyal automatically blame the club for the Skyview situation IMO. 

Your talent is your paymasters spin doctor. 

 

Claiming how wonderful the club were at quickly securing a new sponsor. Yet failing to advise that it was actually one of the Directors who piped up to save face. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said:

Your talent is your paymasters spin doctor. 

 

Claiming how wonderful the club were at quickly securing a new sponsor. Yet failing to advise that it was actually one of the Directors who piped up to save face. 

 

So? Why does that matter, still very good to have contingency through director contacts. You genuinely don’t see that’s just a complete negative spin you’re putting on it?

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2 hours ago, faraway saint said:

 

Is there really, or are you just making shit up again? 

You really make my eyes bleed, a "pretty small issue" when paying top dollar prices?

I for one bought one just to help out the club. I felt especially guilty as I couldn't afford to renew my season tickets (~£800). :(

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25 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

That’s all very good and well but last time I checked, none of those clubs are…….. St.Mirren FC 🤔.  And you were specifically saying that St.Mirren had reduced the price of said strips.
 

Not true.     IF the club shop was selling pristine tops at over £50 and subsequently advertised at them £35 or thereabouts, that would be a reduction.   As it happens , what the club are selling is in effect , seconds. So they should be priced accordingly .
Indeed it could be argued £35 is even too expensive for seconds. 🤷‍♂️

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27 minutes ago, Slash said:

That will happen in January. Same as what happened with Kenny McLean.

If he’s still here in January, more likely he’ll leave for free (pre contract). McLean still had time left on his deal, it was a gentleman’s agreement when Aberdeen came in. 
 

We are in a completely different financial position now compared to then. Many fans won’t admit it but we’ve been one of the best run clubs in the country since the fan ownership journey started. I would say before that as well tbh, Gilmour & co deserve a lot of praise. 

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3 hours ago, bazil85 said:

I don’t think so, you take risks in business, this is one that didn’t pay off given a sponsor pulled out of the agreement. 

Baz, I haven’t really got an issue re the quality of the shirts, it would have only been the second season of strips (I think) that the sponsor wasn’t a stick on transfer…. For me your “take risks in business” line doesn’t stack up in this instance, the club are still selling shirts at top dollar billing despite the less than top dollar quality so where’s the risk?

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6 minutes ago, WeeBud said:

Baz, I haven’t really got an issue re the quality of the shirts, it would have only been the second season of strips (I think) that the sponsor wasn’t a stick on transfer…. For me your “take risks in business” line doesn’t stack up in this instance, the club are still selling shirts at top dollar billing despite the less than top dollar quality so where’s the risk?

More talking about the risks regarding the sponsor deal that they may move the goalposts last minutes. Seemed a pretty reasonable risk to me regarding ordering the tops with the sponsor on it given they had agreed to continue & were a standing sponsor. 

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5 hours ago, Maboza said:

Oh ffs, I laid out the extreme ends and literally said that b & c, as the middle ground are reasonable. The only strong option left in the debate was yours, which you stuck to on you melodramatic reply. 
 

Anyway, I’m fast recognising there’s literally no point engaging with you. Any discussion just gets shouted down as negativity as you aim to drown out debate or questioning of the club. 
 

Meanwhile:                                                                                                                                        Meanwhile: plus YOU

Strips - sub standard..................................................................................................................................................... Much like your whole argument

Season tickets - late going on sale ..................................................................................................................... absolutely Baz's fault, Oh wait!

Season ticket cards - late being delivered .................................................................................................... see above

Return of crowds - not maximising attendance for first games back after 16 months... Ditto

Return of away fans - not confirmed , more lost revenue ................................................................... might blame Shull here, I mean he HAS a taxi

Kiosks - not ready ............................................................................................................................................................. You do not know that1

1877 club - not ready ....................................................................................................................................................... IF the 1877 club let you in, I would rather be elsewherer

Wi ma mate BAZ.   :)😬

 

 

 

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That’s all very good and well but last time I checked, none of those clubs are…….. St.Mirren FC .  And you were specifically saying that St.Mirren had reduced the price of said strips.
 
Not true.     IF the club shop was selling pristine tops at over £50 and subsequently advertised at them £35 or thereabouts, that would be a reduction.   As it happens , what the club are selling is in effect , seconds. So they should be priced accordingly .
Indeed it could be argued £35 is even too expensive for seconds.
The tops last season were £50. This season the tops have been reduced in price to £45.

Last time I help you with any modern technology stuff.

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