beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) it's worth noting that one of the trustees is the current provost of renfrew district, one Lorraine Cameron. seems quite a strong overlap between the council and kibble, which now seems to extend to SMFC now. Edited August 5, 2021 by beyond our ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Callum Gilhooley said: We already have someone like that from Kibble and look at how that has dramatically improved things in the last almost 18 months 🙄. Should be noted that David Jamieson has a profile on linkedin which has him as continuing to be employed at Kibble in a full time role, wonder how he finds the time to steer both ships? The GM is not really a behind the scenes role if he is taking over all of GLS' day-to-day activity at the club. Edited August 5, 2021 by beyond our ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: it's worth noting that one of the trustees is the current provost of renfrew district, one Lorraine Cameron. seems quite a strong overlap between the labour group on the council and kibble, which now seems to extend to SMFC now. Lorraine Cameron is SNP is she not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: Should be noted that David Jamieson has a profile on linkedin which has him as continuing to be employed at Kibble in a full time role, wonder how he finds the time to steer both ships? The GM is not really a behind the scenes role if he is taking over all of GLS' day-to-day activity at the club. Lynsey MacLean is the General Manager Edited August 5, 2021 by alanb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, alanb said: Lorraine Cameron is SNP is she not Why let the truth get in the way of errant nonsense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, FTOF said: Why let the truth get in the way of errant nonsense? If he’s happy though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, alanb said: Lorraine Cameron is SNP is she not I'd already spotted that, although I don't know her I have known of her for many years longer than she has been a councilor and in the dim and distant memory i had her down as labour. My mistake and duly corrected. Edited August 5, 2021 by beyond our ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, FTOF said: Why let the truth get in the way of errant nonsense? straight in there bud, well done you! As I said, error accepted and duly corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, alanb said: If he’s happy though I'm ecstatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, beyond our ken said: I'm ecstatic Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, alanb said: Lorraine Cameron is SNP is she not Whoops answered in the wrong post Edited August 5, 2021 by beyond our ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, alanb said: Good I never said I was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, beyond our ken said: 14 minutes ago, alanb said: Lyndsey MacLean is the General Manager Not according to Mr Jamieson and the COVID update https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-jamieson-5a4bb7191/?originalSubdomain=uk I got there in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: Not according to Mr Jamieson and the COVID update https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-jamieson-5a4bb7191/?originalSubdomain=uk https://m.facebook.com/lorcam99/community/?ref=page_internal Maybe why he left got his facts wrong cant open your provided link without rejoining Linkedin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: I never said I was good. I just meant it was good you were ecstatic 🤩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: Not according to Mr Jamieson and the COVID update https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-jamieson-5a4bb7191/?originalSubdomain=uk I got there in the end actually i didn't the COVID report is historic, but here is his linkedin profile David Jamieson General Manager at St Mirren FC Greater Glasgow Area Contact info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, alanb said: I just meant it was good you were ecstatic 🤩 But if I'm not good that might be a bad thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: Not according to Mr Jamieson and the COVID update https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-jamieson-5a4bb7191/?originalSubdomain=uk I got there in the end In the post about the SLO meeting on the 3rd August that was the job title given to Lynsey Maclean, seems a recent but unannounced appointment ( in Capacity debacle thread) It was mentioned earlier in this thread about the change of GM Edited August 5, 2021 by alanb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, beyond our ken said: But if I'm not good that might be a bad thing Sometimes it’s good to be bad other times less so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 55 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: Should be noted that David Jamieson has a profile on linkedin which has him as continuing to be employed at Kibble in a full time role, wonder how he finds the time to steer both ships? The GM is not really a behind the scenes role if he is taking over all of GLS' day-to-day activity at the club. As does our new GM 🙄. Perhaps she simply hasn’t updated it yet ? If only we had someone skilled in communication and public relations 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 For the record , I don’t personally know Lynsey McLean , I have no idea if she is going to be good in this role or not. Just like any player coming to our club, I hope she plays a blinder and if she does the job well if she does she should get our full support . I am a wee bit concerned however that our club seem to be of the mindset “ if your from the Kibble , you’ve got the job “ The last guy seemed to get it using that criteria and as far as I can see - wasn’t exactly a roaring success, so we take option #2 from the same very limited pool of candidates . Was Ms McLean not considered last time or not considered good enough ? Will she be devoting her time 100% to the club and the multitude of things that require attention or will her “other” employer be calling her back as and when required leaving us with a part time GM ? I think we need to be hearing a bit more from the boardroom regarding the processes involved bringing people into senior positions in OUR CLUB and we should have some idea of what is expected of said individuals. Perhaps people’s suspicions of Kibble and their motives , good or bad, is being stoked by what many see almost as a takeover by stealth . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 For the record , I don’t personally know Lynsey McLean , I have no idea if she is going to be good in this role or not. Just like any player coming to our club, I hope she plays a blinder and if she does the job well if she does she should get our full support . I am a wee bit concerned however that our club seem to be of the mindset “ if your from the Kibble , you’ve got the job “ The last guy seemed to get it using that criteria and as far as I can see - wasn’t exactly a roaring success, so we take option #2 from the same very limited pool of candidates . Was Ms McLean not considered last time or not considered good enough ? Will she be devoting her time 100% to the club and the multitude of things that require attention or will her “other” employer be calling her back as and when required leaving us with a part time GM ? I think we need to be hearing a bit more from the boardroom regarding the processes involved bringing people into senior positions in OUR CLUB and we should have some idea of what is expected of said individuals. Perhaps people’s suspicions of Kibble and their motives , good or bad, is being stoked by what many see almost as a takeover by stealth .We made our bed when we overwhelmingly supported the deal to allow Kibble all that power.Even though it was a done deal before being presented to fans... Even though TV was reporting on it as a done deal before SMISA had even seen the presentation far less voted.We, the fans, failed to do due diligence and voted with hearts in support of a flowery presentation.We forfeited the right to complain there and then. We could make some proposals via SMISA on the board... and hope that Kibble don't use their right to veto! [emoji850][emoji26][emoji174] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said: For the record , I don’t personally know Lynsey McLean , I have no idea if she is going to be good in this role or not. Just like any player coming to our club, I hope she plays a blinder and if she does the job well if she does she should get our full support . I am a wee bit concerned however that our club seem to be of the mindset “ if your from the Kibble , you’ve got the job “ The last guy seemed to get it using that criteria and as far as I can see - wasn’t exactly a roaring success, so we take option #2 from the same very limited pool of candidates . Was Ms McLean not considered last time or not considered good enough ? Will she be devoting her time 100% to the club and the multitude of things that require attention or will her “other” employer be calling her back as and when required leaving us with a part time GM ? I think we need to be hearing a bit more from the boardroom regarding the processes involved bringing people into senior positions in OUR CLUB and we should have some idea of what is expected of said individuals. Perhaps people’s suspicions of Kibble and their motives , good or bad, is being stoked by what many see almost as a takeover by stealth . Without implying wrongdoing on anyone's part, I can't see how this situation can be deemed healthy. At the very least, without a competitive selection process you rarely get a good fit for a job. I have experience of working with (not for) charities that leads me to believe that the main purpose for some (not all) seems to be creating opportunity for office bearers and employees while doing the good work. as long as the latter takes precedence over the former then i guess that is often a situation we need to live with (like covid). I raised a FOI request with Kibble the other day after being told over a year and a half ago that Mr Jamieson was handling my request, maybe he just forgot. They are inextricably linked with our club now so I just have to hope that they will do something to make me feel happy about the way they work. Thus far it seems SMFC is a vehicle for the glorification of Kibble and not the other way round, which is a bit sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said: We made our bed when we overwhelmingly supported the deal to allow Kibble all that power. Even though it was a done deal before being presented to fans... Even though TV was reporting on it as a done deal before SMISA had even seen the presentation far less voted. We, the fans, failed to do due diligence and voted with hearts in support of a flowery presentation. We forfeited the right to complain there and then. We could make some proposals via SMISA on the board... and hope that Kibble don't use their right to veto! You should never forfeit the right to complain . If something is not right or not what you expected ,I’d say you have every right to raise concerns and try to put things right . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said: We, the fans, failed to do due diligence and voted with hearts in support of a flowery presentation. We forfeited the right to complain there and then. I didn't. I was against it from the start, and thought it looked a bad deal. Nothing so far has changed my mind. If anything, I'm more solidly against it. It smells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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