Buddymarvellous Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, bazil85 said: We sure were and if that happened, it would have been delivered three years earlier than the deadline. The Kibble deal allowed it to be delivered a further two years early. Well stop giving the impression it was five - you just admitted it was two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Buddymarvellous said: Well stop giving the impression it was five - you just admitted it was two I didn't. The deadline was for the process to take 10 years, we delivered it in five. Had Kibble not got involved, we would have likely delivered it three years ahead of schedule. For me this is another attempt at us vs them, overall it is all SMFC and SMFC delivered fan ownership five years ahead of when the original plan set a deadline for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 I didn't. The deadline was for the process to take 10 years, we delivered it in five. Had Kibble not got involved, we would have likely delivered it three years ahead of schedule. For me this is another attempt at us vs them, overall it is all SMFC and SMFC delivered fan ownership five years ahead of when the original plan set a deadline for it. No it didn't.We are NOT fan owned!Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Buddymarvellous said: Well stop giving the impression it was five - you just admitted it was two Scott and Kibble told that riddle so many times in the lead up to the members vote that many SMiSA swallowed it as truth. Even at the latest AGM Kibble were still playing that same card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said: No it didn't. We are NOT fan owned! Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Yes we are, terminology perfectly acceptable whether you like it or not. St Mirren delivered fan ownership last year, five years ahead of the deadline. Brilliant achievement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Had Kibble not got involved, we would have likely delivered it three years ahead of schedule. Why involve Kibble then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, pod said: Why involve Kibble then. Because of the added benefits they would bring outlined in the proposal to include them, which passed with overwhelming support of voting SMISA members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Yes we are, terminology perfectly acceptable whether you like it or not. St Mirren delivered fan ownership last year, five years ahead of the deadline. Brilliant achievement. Lies!Not 5 years Not fan owned.You yourself agreed that we need the permission of non supporting co-owners to make decisions!Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Why involve Kibble then. Kibble could easily have been involved with a legally binding trading agreement.There was no need whatsoever to sell them shares or give them a controlling boardroom interest!I have nothing whatsoever against Kibble as potential trading partners... but they own part of our club meaning it is NOT fan owned!Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinness Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 30 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Yes we are, terminology perfectly acceptable whether you like it or not. St Mirren delivered fan ownership last year, five years ahead of the deadline. Brilliant achievement. Definate!y not fan controlled if we need permission to do anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 “Scott and Kibble misled the SMiSA membership. We call on them to resign!” 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said: Lies! Not 5 years Not fan owned. You yourself agreed that we need the permission of non supporting co-owners to make decisions! Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Because of the added benefits they would bring outlined in the proposal to include them, which passed with overwhelming support of voting SMISA members. But you said we could have delivered 3 years sooner without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said: Kibble could easily have been involved with a legally binding trading agreement. There was no need whatsoever to sell them shares or give them a controlling boardroom interest! I have nothing whatsoever against Kibble as potential trading partners... but they own part of our club meaning it is NOT fan owned! Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Think it suited Kibble to gain access to boardrooms up and down the country especially the OF. They are allegedly partial to sausage rolls and would love the chance to drink from the Loving Cup. Some of our current board couldn’t wait to partake in this “celebration”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, guinness said: Definitely not fan controlled if we need permission to do anything We don't. There are a few standing points that require agreement of the Kibble representatives. It was, is and will continue to be (I have little doubt) blown out of proportion. The points are perfectly reasonable to be covered by both parties and are very unlikely to cause issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, pod said: But you said we could have delivered 3 years sooner without them. That's what we were on track for. What part of my response didn't address the why for you though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Disagree. I know.It's what you do regardless of facts! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 We don't. There are a few standing points that require agreement of the Kibble representatives. It was, is and will continue to be (I have little doubt) blown out of proportion. The points are perfectly reasonable to be covered by both parties and are very unlikely to cause issue. In other words...We don't but we do!Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Lies!Not 5 years Not fan owned.You yourself agreed that we need the permission of non supporting co-owners to make decisions!Sent from my HD1913 using TapatalkThey supported SMISA in delivering fan ownership earlier than anticipated. [emoji14]They have a veto on SMISA installing.... an artificial surface, having a crook on the board, not having black and white stripes as our first choice strip and selling the ground. [emoji848]WTF is wrong with any of that. [emoji8] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 I have nothing whatsoever against Kibble as potential trading partners... but they own part of our club meaning it is NOT fan owned!I take it every other share holder was vetted and confirmed as a supporter. If not, then according to you now, we'd never be fan owned. [emoji848] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 33 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said: I know. It's what you do regardless of facts! Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk 32 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said: In other words... We don't but we do! Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Fan owned is a perfectly reasonable way to describe St Mirren. Democracy won, fans wanted something you didn't, get over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Fan owned is a perfectly reasonable way to describe St Mirren. Democracy won, fans wanted something you didn't, get over it [emoji4] It's not.It did.I am.Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Well done guys, a thread to pay tribute to a living club legend for his service for almost 50 years descends into yet another squabble over SMISA. You should be proud of yourselves.@div - I know there's not much moderating done these days but can't someone sort out this clusterf**k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabuddy Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Congratulations to Tony on a wonderful career as player, manager and CEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 We should have a row of Statues around St Mirren Park for various legends and heroes Tony Fitzpatrick should be the first to be honoured this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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