ALBIONSAINT Posted July 30, 2022 Report Share Posted July 30, 2022 15 hours ago, W6er said: Yes, I was once conned into buying a book on Nazi occultism, but it was absolute rubbish. It's difficult to discern fact from fiction with Hitler and the Occult. Certainly there was widespread use of the runes and alleged bizarre rituals at Wewelsburg. How much of it is exaggerated is unclear, though. Many Ukrainian nationalists appear to adore the Nazis, as they saw them as liberators, though they also don't appear to be antisemitic and are happy to be governed by Zelensky, who is Jewish. I think mostly it is a way of expressing anti-USSR sentiment, which is understandable. However what is utterly disgusting is how they have treated pro-Russians in their society, particularly since 2014. I think this is the documentary I saw on it, though can't recall precisely: That video is Brutal stuff, people in the west forgot this conflict has been going on since 2014 ! It also shows that humans are only a short step away from utter barbarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted July 30, 2022 Report Share Posted July 30, 2022 On a lighter note...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W6er Posted July 30, 2022 Report Share Posted July 30, 2022 13 hours ago, Slarti said: Ok, maybe I should have said "understand" not "read" because it does no such thing. I think it's you who clearly doesn't understand. Jewish people can be identified by their DNA. There's no such thing as 'Christian DNA'. You cannot identify a coin collector, a train spotter or a car enthusiast by their DNA! If Jewishness wasn't at all linked to ethnicity, then similarly there would be no point in testing for Jewish DNA. They're a Semitic people who have for two thousand years mixed with Europeans and that has resulted in Jewish ethnic groups. The fact that you maintain there is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity, despite the law stating otherwise, as well as Wikipedia, illustrates you simply won't admit you're wrong. I have nothing more to add on this matter, as I don't see there's any point debating with you. Enjoy the game tomorrow, if you're there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted July 30, 2022 Report Share Posted July 30, 2022 I think it's you who clearly doesn't understand. Jewish people can be identified by their DNA. There's no such thing as 'Christian DNA'. You cannot identify a coin collector, a train spotter or a car enthusiast by their DNA! If Jewishness wasn't at all linked to ethnicity, then similarly there would be no point in testing for Jewish DNA. They're a Semitic people who have for two thousand years mixed with Europeans and that has resulted in Jewish ethnic groups. The fact that you maintain there is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity, despite the law stating otherwise, as well as Wikipedia, illustrates you simply won't admit you're wrong. I have nothing more to add on this matter, as I don't see there's any point debating with you. Enjoy the game tomorrow, if you're there! [emoji4] So if I was to convert to Judaism (I.e. become a Jew) my DNA would change? Cultural Jewishness is an ethnicity but being a Jew does not necessarily mean you are culturally Jewish, it means you are a follower of (or adherent to) Judaism - in the same way that a Christian is a follower of (or adherent to) Christianity.Do Ethiopian Jews fall in with your DNA claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W6er Posted July 30, 2022 Report Share Posted July 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Slarti said: So if I was to convert to Judaism (I.e. become a Jew) my DNA would change? Cultural Jewishness is an ethnicity but being a Jew does not necessarily mean you are culturally Jewish, it means you are a follower of (or adherent to) Judaism - in the same way that a Christian is a follower of (or adherent to) Christianity. Do Ethiopian Jews fall in with your DNA claim? https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/06/16/evidence-mounts-of-ancient-jewish-roots-of-beta-israel-ethiopian-jewry/ Enjoy the game tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 On 7/30/2022 at 12:08 AM, Slarti said: On 7/29/2022 at 11:26 PM, ALBIONSAINT said: The Nazi use of the Rune is still very much alive today in the neo-Nazi Azov brigade, the western media tend not to focus much on this aspect of Ukraine Yeah, and what about all those nasty Hindus still using the swastika after the nazis usurped it. And all those Germans still using German. And ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/06/16/evidence-mounts-of-ancient-jewish-roots-of-beta-israel-ethiopian-jewry/ Enjoy the game tomorrow. [emoji4] Right, so an Ethiopian Jew doesn't fit within your DNA claim, therefore your claim that "Jew" is an ethnic term is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 My point was that all these things existed before the Nazis and just because a person or group uses them, it doesn't automatically mean that they are Nazis themselves. Nazis are not Nazis because they use runes, they use runes because they are Nazis. They are Nazis because, well, they are Nazis, not because of any iconography they use.Basically, I wasn't arguing that that particular group weren't Nazis, just that it shouldn't be automatically assumed that the use of the runes makes someone a Nazi.I've probably just made this less clear with that "explanation". [emoji1787] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Slarti said: My point was that all these things existed before the Nazis and just because a person or group uses them, it doesn't automatically mean that they are Nazis themselves. Naziz are not Nazis because they use runes, they use runes because they are Nazis. They are Nazis because, well, they are Nazis, not because of any iconography they use. I've probably just made this less clear with that "explanation". Like the video above shows, it’s not just the Runes the Azov battalion use....Hitler youth flag and Black sun ! This makes it very It hard to argue against Putin when he is claiming that the Ukraine has been infiltrated by Neo-Nazis. Also interesting that they were formed from an Ultras fan group, better keep an eye on the W7 section 😙😅 Edited August 2, 2022 by ALBIONSAINT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 Like the video above shows, it’s not just the Runes the Azov battalion use....Hitler youth flag and Black sun ! This makes it very It hard to argue against Putin when he is claiming that the Ukraine has been infiltrated by Neo-Nazis. Also interesting that they were formed from an Ultras fan group, better keep an eye on the W7 section [emoji11][emoji28]There's no doubt that Eastern Europe is rife with bigotry of many hues but Putin trying to make out that Ukraine's Jewish president is a Nazi was a bit of a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 34 minutes ago, Slarti said: 48 minutes ago, ALBIONSAINT said: Like the video above shows, it’s not just the Runes the Azov battalion use....Hitler youth flag and Black sun ! This makes it very It hard to argue against Putin when he is claiming that the Ukraine has been infiltrated by Neo-Nazis. Also interesting that they were formed from an Ultras fan group, better keep an eye on the W7 section There's no doubt that Eastern Europe is rife with bigotry of many hues but Putin trying to make out that Ukraine's Jewish president is a Nazi was a bit of a stretch. A bit of a stretch perhaps as you say but by the description of Nazi in the context in which the word is used here leaves the possibility open. Being by north and choice Jewish doesn’t prevent him and others around him from having right wing Nationalistic views and a dislike of their large imperialistic and notionally communist neighbour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 A bit of a stretch perhaps as you say but by the description of Nazi in the context in which the word is used here leaves the possibility open. Being by north and choice Jewish doesn’t prevent him and others around him from having right wing Nationalistic views and a dislike of their large imperialistic and notionally communist neighbour.Of course it doesn't, there are plenty of right wing nationalist Jews in Israel. Putin used "Nazi" then attempted to redefine it when he realised he made a c**t of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Slarti said: Of course it doesn't, there are plenty of right wing nationalist Jews in Israel. Putin used "Nazi" then attempted to redefine it when he realised he made a c**t of it. I wasn’t suggesting that I believed this but that this was the argument used to justify the use of the word in the context of The Special Military Operation. The “oppressed” people in this case being ethic, Russian speakers in Ukraine. and the “pure” strain being ethnic, Ukrainian speakers. Language and culture being interlinked. But enough. Thanks for your alternative opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastlandssaint Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 Ukraine nuclear fears SOAR as power plant 'out of control' - officials plead with Putin | World | News | Express.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted August 4, 2022 Report Share Posted August 4, 2022 3 hours ago, eastlandssaint said: Ukraine nuclear fears SOAR as power plant 'out of control' - officials plead with Putin | World | News | Express.co.uk Frightening prospect. Hope that sense prevails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastlandssaint Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Nuclear weapons convoy sparks fears Putin could be preparing test to send ‘signal to the West’ (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, eastlandssaint said: Nuclear weapons convoy sparks fears Putin could be preparing test to send ‘signal to the West’ (msn.com) Absolute Lunacy Putin must be mad. Edited October 4, 2022 by Rascal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmettroll Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 33 minutes ago, Rascal said: Absolute Lunacy Putin must be mad. More likely the clowns that believe this MSM bollox are the ones who's mad.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Absolute Lunacy Putin must be mad.Not necessarily mad. Arrogant, power hungry and used to being able to act with impunity - not a good mix when things don't go his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Slarti said: 1 hour ago, Rascal said: Absolute Lunacy Putin must be mad. Not necessarily mad. Arrogant, power hungry and used to being able to act with impunity - not a good mix when things don't go his way. Also entirely possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Slarti Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 Ukraine war: Sergei Surovikin removed as commander of Ukraine invasion force - BBC NewsShite journalism- we all know it's not an invasion, it's a Special Military Operation. Bloody BBC!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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