faraway saint Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 The decision by P&O to "sack" 800 workers then replace them with agency workers is utterly disgusting. The method of informing the workforce equally distasteful. My immediate thoughts' were this is illegal, surely redundancy means the "job" is redundant and they can't simply replace the workforce? A decision that will have a short term effect, maybe longer, on the public's willingness to use this company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Not only that. The company are trying to circumvent employment rights on many fronts. There is bound to be a lawsuit pending at the very least unless they retract this appalling attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TediousTom Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 I watched the news of this and I was genuinely angry as I did so. Who do these people think think they are? It has been a few years since I worked for a wage but when I did I was aware of a thing or two. You cannot sack people in this manner. You cannot just replace people with cheaper labour at zero notice and why were these poor employees and the unions not consulted beforehand? The employment tribunal will not take these issues lightly, I am sure of that. Our employment law is robust and fair. P & O will encounter some damning judgement and a heavy bill to pay. I would also remove the licenses from the company and nationalise the buggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Almost unbelievable................. The new agency staff who will be manning P&O Ferries' ships are an Eastern European crew who have been offered '£2.60-an-hour' wages in a move union bosses have slammed as being a 21st century recreation of 'slave ships'. 20 members of the replacement crew who were drafted in following the sacking scandal were pictured being shown around a ship docked in Hull on Friday, where eyewitnesses said they were taught about pieces of equipment onboard. More than 200 miles away, the groups donned orange overalls and were escorted around by a skeleton crew of P&O Ferries staff aboard the Pride of Kent. The new workers had no contact with those stationed on shore and the gang plank gate remained locked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Morally reprehensible and surely in breech of employment law.The job isn't redundant if others are being employed to do it.I'd will them ruin but that would do nothing for those unfairly dismissed.Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Dubai was built on slave Labour..... hope the U.K. government intervenes, although not holding my breathe on that happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, ALBIONSAINT said: Dubai was built on slave Labour..... hope the U.K. government intervenes, although not holding my breathe on that happening Not sure what the government CAN do, more a legal matter as far as I can see. A public relations disaster, that could hurt P&O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 This is all about maximising profit and pay outs to shareholders. By all accounts the company is in no financial difficulty. Corporate greed at its worst. Although we should be used to that by now given the individuals who are currently running the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, FTOF said: This is all about maximising profit and pay outs to shareholders. By all accounts the company is in no financial difficulty. Corporate greed at its worst. Although we should be used to that by now given the individuals who are currently running the UK. What has this got to do with the UK government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinness Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 This is what Brexit was about. Watering down of employment rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, guinness said: This is what Brexit was about. Watering down of employment rights. Was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinness Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Was it? I believe it was one of the main aims of the Tories. That and kicking out foreigners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, guinness said: I believe it was one of the main aims of the Tories. That and kicking out foreigners. For the love of god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, faraway saint said: What has this got to do with the UK government? Well if hooded men with handcuffs came into my place of work and told me I was sacked and escorted me of the premises with no notice I would be expecting the representatives that I voted for to protect my legal rights as an employee. Is that asking too much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, ALBIONSAINT said: Well if hooded men with handcuffs came into my place of work and told me I was sacked and escorted me of the premises with no notice I would be expecting the representatives that I voted for to protect my legal rights as an employee. Is that asking too much? Hooded men. Just hang in there, your local MP will be on his way to save you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Poor P&O cruises getting lots of abuse although they are nothing to do with the ferry group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 9 hours ago, faraway saint said: What has this got to do with the UK government? As I said, "We should be used to that [level of corporate greed]" as the many of the individuals currently running the country are seem happy to sanction or even worse, be involved in corporate greed of some sort. Although it seems that dodgy financial dealings, to the detriment of others, are O.K. since the majority of voters don't seem to have batted an eyelid, with regards to the significant number of government sanctioned dodgy financial dealings that have occurred over the of past couple of years. However, those individuals who display a "Tory boy" like level scrutiny, when it comes to the current government, generally have their head stuck so far up their own arses, that it's a case of "nothing to see here, move on". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, FTOF said: As I said, "We should be used to that [level of corporate greed]" as the many of the individuals currently running the country are seem happy to sanction or even worse, be involved in corporate greed of some sort. Although it seems that dodgy financial dealings, to the detriment of others, are O.K. since the majority of voters don't seem to have batted an eyelid, with regards to the significant number of government sanctioned dodgy financial dealings that have occurred over the of past couple of years. However, those individuals who display a "Tory boy" like level scrutiny, when it comes to the current government, generally have their head stuck so far up their own arses, that it's a case of "nothing to see here, move on". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 BANDIT CAPITALISTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledfan Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Utterly disgusting way to treat people. Any employer planning to make 100 or more employees redundant are legally required to inform the buissness secratery 45 days before dismissing. P&O have admitted they did not do this as they "didn't have time it would take and doing so would not have survived". This is nonsense as buissness this size would have cashflow forecasts that indicate issues and provide plenty of time to restructure in a legal way . The UK government absolutely need to get involved here in conjunction with unions to ensure fair process is concluded or what stops any company CEO sending a video to their staff saying they are fired and rehiring else where. Think how many jobs in the UK could now be outsourced to countries like India and Brazil for customer service and IT roles if UK employment rights are regarded with distain by organisations. I would also like to see an investigation opened against their directors for corporate liability breaches. Investigate their furlough payments and potential health and safety breaches for sacking trained competent staff and replacing with less experienced staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Amazing that the people at the top of the tree are never replace by cheaper labour to save money. I can see P&O going to the wall due to the public refusing to sail with them, and the routes and assess being sold off to other operators. The cynical in me think that is the game plan by the company, since they must have known the row this would have cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) P&O has about 3000 staff. only 800 in UK have been slashed. nowhere else. France, Holland and other EU staff are better protected by their governments/laws. At the moment. Edited March 19, 2022 by antrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledfan Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, antrin said: P&O has about 3000 staff. only 800 in UK have been slashed. nowhere else. France, Holland and other EU staff are better protected by their governments/laws. At the moment. UK employment law is actually quite robust. It has never been so blatantly disregarded by a large company before. That's why it's important action is taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 13 hours ago, FTOF said: This is all about maximising profit and pay outs to shareholders. By all accounts the company is in no financial difficulty. Corporate greed at its worst. Although we should be used to that by now given the individuals who are currently running the UK. Here are some numbers… “P&O Ferries is owned by DP World, a logistics company based in Dubai and owned by the prominent Emirati businessman Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem. DP World bought the company back from Dubai World in February 2019, having initially owned it for a short time in 2006. DP World was criticised for paying a £270 million dividend to shareholders at the end of April 2020 while P&O Ferries cut around 1,100 jobs as demand for travel collapsed due to the coronavirus pandemic.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, exiledfan said: UK employment law is actually quite robust. It has never been so blatantly disregarded by a large company before. That's why it's important action is taken. You would have hoped so, but… ”The Government has said it is is unable to prevent P&O sacking 800 seafarers and replacing them with cheaper agency staff. Armed Forces Minister James Heappey said the company had behaved “disgracefully” but acknowledged the Government was powerless to stop it. “I think that is the reality,” he told BBC Breakfast. “The Government anger will mean very little to those who have been sacked. I do feel very sorry for those people. “I do think P&O have behaved disgracefully and I wish that P&O had given the Government and the unions more opportunity to engage with them to try to save those jobs. “Ultimately, it is not something the Government can stop P&O from doing. Now the focus will be on supporting those who have lost their jobs.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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