Rascal Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 I know these are contentious topics where people often have strong views. My own view is that people in both Scotland and Northern Ireland should have the democratic right to leave the Union should a majority wish this to be the case. In NI this would mean re-unification of the whole island of Ireland and in Scotland the re-establishment of a sovereign and independent country. Whether either chooses to go that route should be down to the people within that territory. It should not be subject to the whim/gift of England which has emerged as the Senior Partner in the Union. I voted remain at Brexit and Yes at the Referendum but couldn’t be described as a committed nationalist. What happens in the next two years will be pivotal in both the Province and in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 I know these are contentious topics where people often have strong views. My own view is that people in both Scotland and Northern Ireland should have the democratic right to leave the Union should a majority wish this to be the case. In NI this would mean re-unification of the whole island of Ireland and in Scotland the re-establishment of a sovereign and independent country. Whether either chooses to go that route should be down to the people within that territory. It should not be subject to the whim/gift of England which has emerged as the Senior Partner in the Union. I voted remain at Brexit and Yes at the Referendum but couldn’t be described as a committed nationalist. What happens in the next two years will be pivotal in both the Province and in Scotland.Why would it necessarily mean Irish unification? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Slarti said: 2 hours ago, Rascal said: I know these are contentious topics where people often have strong views. My own view is that people in both Scotland and Northern Ireland should have the democratic right to leave the Union should a majority wish this to be the case. In NI this would mean re-unification of the whole island of Ireland and in Scotland the re-establishment of a sovereign and independent country. Whether either chooses to go that route should be down to the people within that territory. It should not be subject to the whim/gift of England which has emerged as the Senior Partner in the Union. I voted remain at Brexit and Yes at the Referendum but couldn’t be described as a committed nationalist. What happens in the next two years will be pivotal in both the Province and in Scotland. Why would it necessarily mean Irish unification? I think it’s more likely to mean a return to arms and a resurgence of violence on the streets . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted September 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, Slarti said: 2 hours ago, Rascal said: I know these are contentious topics where people often have strong views. My own view is that people in both Scotland and Northern Ireland should have the democratic right to leave the Union should a majority wish this to be the case. In NI this would mean re-unification of the whole island of Ireland and in Scotland the re-establishment of a sovereign and independent country. Whether either chooses to go that route should be down to the people within that territory. It should not be subject to the whim/gift of England which has emerged as the Senior Partner in the Union. I voted remain at Brexit and Yes at the Referendum but couldn’t be described as a committed nationalist. What happens in the next two years will be pivotal in both the Province and in Scotland. Why would it necessarily mean Irish unification? Feel free to suggest alternatives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted September 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said: I think it’s more likely to mean a return to arms and a resurgence of violence on the streets . A high possibility, I would accept, but I don’t envisage a majority in favour for a number of years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 Unfortunately that is true, Irish unioinists were given a potential trading advantage over the rest of the UK with the way the Brexit deal landed. For some reason the unionists see a deal that can make all of their lives better as an affront to their identity. The unification faction are now in a slight majority in NI (or are on course to be soon), it is very slim though and is a recipe for trouble. I personally never expected the unionists to participate in the institutions once they were no longer the larger party, the people in charge today are minnows compared to the ones who moved political and social mountains to create the good friday agreement and see their role of fighting a rearguard campaign of frustration as the only way to keep their supporters onside while the demographic moves towards re-unification and republicanism. Truss is an arse and has no chance of sorting this one out, my prediction is that she will "go nuclear" on the NI protocol in an attempt to look tough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 hour ago, beyond our ken said: Unfortunately that is true, Irish unioinists were given a potential trading advantage over the rest of the UK with the way the Brexit deal landed. For some reason the unionists see a deal that can make all of their lives better as an affront to their identity. The unification faction are now in a slight majority in NI (or are on course to be soon), it is very slim though and is a recipe for trouble. I personally never expected the unionists to participate in the institutions once they were no longer the larger party, the people in charge today are minnows compared to the ones who moved political and social mountains to create the good friday agreement and see their role of fighting a rearguard campaign of frustration as the only way to keep their supporters onside while the demographic moves towards re-unification and republicanism. Truss is an arse and has no chance of sorting this one out, my prediction is that she will "go nuclear" on the NI protocol in an attempt to look tough A very real danger of that last sentence coming to fruition. She is a f**king fruitcake But then again, don’t fancy anyones chances of tackling the clusterf**k that Blowjo left with his oven ready , no tariffs , no border deal 🙄. No matter what changes are made, someone’s gonna be upset and it won’t take much for the trouble to start .😫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Rascal said: Feel free to suggest alternatives I don't need to, it was you that made a claim ("this would mean"), I just asked you to justify it. I don't expect that you will actually answer the question, you'll probably just attempt to deflect as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Rascal said: My own view is that people in both Scotland and Northern Ireland should have the democratic right to leave the Union should a majority wish this to be the case. In NI this would mean re-unification of the whole island of Ireland and in Scotland the re-establishment of a sovereign and independent country. We don't f**king want them down here. We've enough f**kwits of our own, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, saint in exile said: We don't f**king want them down here. We've enough f**kwits of our own, thanks. Aye, you for starters. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted September 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, saint in exile said: We don't f**king want them down here. We've enough f**kwits of our own, thanks. That’s a point that I hoped someone would make. Equally interesting would be the reaction of people in England if they were asked the question . Edited September 6, 2022 by Rascal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted September 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Slarti said: I don't need to, it was you that made a claim ("this would mean"), I just asked you to justify it. I don't expect that you will actually answer the question, you'll probably just attempt to deflect as usual. No need. To help you out, I will state the obvious. The Unionists wish to remain part of the UK. The Republicans wish to reunite Ireland. A substantial number of folks appeared to wish to stay as part of the EU. One way to do that would be for reunification to take place. I know it’s unlikely but maybe, just maybe there is a creative brain attached to the fingers you use to type on the forum and you can engage rather than your more common negative approach. Doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 one massive (truly massive) reason for everyone to f-off and leave England to it is the appointmwnt of the deputy prime minister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 No need. To help you out, I will state the obvious. The Unionists wish to remain part of the UK. The Republicans wish to reunite Ireland. A substantial number of folks appeared to wish to stay as part of the EU. One way to do that would be for reunification to take place. I know it’s unlikely but maybe, just maybe there is a creative brain attached to the fingers you use to type on the forum and you can engage rather than your more common negative approach. Doubt it. I don't expect that you will actually answer the question, you'll probably just attempt to deflect as usual.Called it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portmahomack saint Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 3 hours ago, faraway saint said: Aye, you for starters. 😉 That's my big cousin watch it fartaway i'm always tooled up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted September 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Slarti said: Called it. Bruce? Brian? Bridget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted September 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2022 Things have moved on a notch with the death of the Queen and the arrival of King Charles. Might this change the momentum of events in both Scotland and the Provnce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanleySaint Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 Can't see why it would, those are political decisions that the monarch, although able to state what their preference is, is unable to influence beyond that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Rascal said: Things have moved on a notch with the death of the Queen and the arrival of King Charles. Might this change the momentum of events in both Scotland and the Provnce? Provence guillotined their Royals a while back, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted September 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 hours ago, antrin said: Provence guillotined their Royals a while back, surely? Good to know that you are as sharp eyed as ever! (Province)!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, Rascal said: Good to know that you are as sharp eyed as ever! (Province)!!!! I’m also specky. 🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted September 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, antrin said: I’m also specky. 🤓 Verging on OCD. Don’t you have an allotment to look after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 I don't understand why the footie is cancelled when other sports are allowed to continue. It seems a random selection of events that will impact the proletariat the most has been made to remind us of our place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 minute ago, beyond our ken said: I don't understand why the footie is cancelled when other sports are allowed to continue. It seems a random selection of events that will impact the proletariat the most has been made to remind us of our place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 Anyhoo, on to the new king's impact on the future of the monarchy. I firmly believe he will stick his weel-heeled size nines directly into constitutional issues like the NI protocol and Scottish independence, thereby hastening the end or at least severely reducing the role of the monarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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