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17 minutes ago, magnus said:

If I recollect, cause it's been a while, our game plan was strong defensively with fast transition to attack, loads of crosses into the box and 2 forwards that can hold the ball or score. We don't do any of that anymore. Not sure why.

That only works against teams like the old firm that are going to have most of the  play. 

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4 minutes ago, Cumbriansaint72 said:

That only works against teams like the old firm that are going to have most of the  play. 

We have been winning games with less than 40% possession. You need super efficient strikers or a lot of luck to keep that up over a season. We don't have either ingredient at the moment. Changes required.

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We are (and have been for some time) the least skillfull team in the SPL.

We can hardly string two passes together; are second to every ball; and have no composure in front of goal.

Our defensive set-up was supposed to be our strong point, but most teams can cut through us like butter - how many goals have we now conceeded away from home?

And our best central defender is continuously left on the bench which says a lot about SR's obstinate and blinkered judgement.

Whatever confidence was generated by the players at the start of the season, has now evaporated in a sea of incompteence.

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14 minutes ago, northstbuddie said:

We are (and have been for some time) the least skillfull team in the SPL.

We can hardly string two passes together; are second to every ball; and have no composure in front of goal.

 

How come we have WON 6 games from 13, are currently sitting 5th, 10 points above the bottom team, who I would suggest ARE the worst team in the league? 

I get you don't rate Robinson, that's ok but your statement above just is miles from the truth and there are no FACTS to back it up. 

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15 minutes ago, northstbuddie said:

We are (and have been for some time) the least skillfull team in the SPL.

We can hardly string two passes together; are second to every ball; and have no composure in front of goal.

Our defensive set-up was supposed to be our strong point, but most teams can cut through us like butter - how many goals have we now conceeded away from home?

And our best central defender is continuously left on the bench which says a lot about SR's obstinate and blinkered judgement.

Whatever confidence was generated by the players at the start of the season, has now evaporated in a sea of incompteence.

Ok apart from above...we are 5th.. 3 points off 3rd....and how many would have thought that after our start... we have a smaller budget than most and home form been superb.... today annoying but overall 19 points is way above where we normally are at this stage

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10 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

How come we have WON 6 games from 13, are currently sitting 5th, 10 points above the bottom team, who I would suggest ARE the worst team in the league? 

I get you don't rate Robinson, that's ok but your statement above just is miles from the truth and there are no FACTS to back it up. 

Our home results have certainly been better than we had any right to expect.

I have previously given Robinson credit for getting more out the players than Goodwin before him.

However, whether at home or certainly away, we have been consistently second best in terms of possession - even against the likes of Kilmarnock and Livi.

Was there even one league game this season when we had more possession than the opposition?

Sevco, Celtic, Hearts and Dundee United have already confirmed in Europe that defensive strategies are for losers.

It must be very doubtful if this negative strategy will continue to work for the whole season.

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1 hour ago, northstbuddie said:

Our home results have certainly been better than we had any right to expect.

I have previously given Robinson credit for getting more out the players than Goodwin before him.

However, whether at home or certainly away, we have been consistently second best in terms of possession - even against the likes of Kilmarnock and Livi.

Was there even one league game this season when we had more possession than the opposition?

Sevco, Celtic, Hearts and Dundee United have already confirmed in Europe that defensive strategies are for losers.

It must be very doubtful if this negative strategy will continue to work for the whole season.

The possession debate is never ending, if your winning, it's seen as working, when you lose, well we all know that answer. 

I think it's more to do with poor skill levels than defensive strategies that have resulted in our teams getting humped in Europe.

Rangers were slated for setting up defensively down in Liverpool.

We had a fellow poster on here criticising the Celtic manager for trying to get a goal or two just the other night.

Can't do right for doing wrong.

I happen to think that the whole top league has dropped, including the big two, so while it's a commonly used phrase, there really isn't much between most of the teams this season.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

The possession debate is never ending, if your winning, it's seen as working, when you lode, well we all know that answer. 

I think it's more to do with poor skill levels than defensive strategies that have resulted in our teams getting humped in Europe.

Rangers were slated for setting up defensively down in Liverpool.

We had a fellow poster on here criticising the Celtic manager for trying to get a goal or two just the other night.

Can't do right for doing wrong.

I happen to think that the whole top league has dropped, including the big two, so while it's a commonly used phrase, there really isn't much between most of the teams this season.

 

 

Lack of skill was the very point I was trying to make - our negative stategy is dictated by the fact we can't keep possession of the ball.

I am old enough to remember the days when the British/Scottish press were very critical of the Inter Milan era in Italy when Celtic had possession but could not break down the Italian "anti-football tactics". At least the Italians of that era had defensive skills to implement that stategy.

We have a small handful of players eg. Strain, Erhahon, O'Hara,  Flynn and Kiltie who are better than the rest in not giving the ball away to the opposition.

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There have been games where we've passed the ball well - but not enough of them. We've seen games, even at home, where our passing was not great. I'd add to that the fact that opposition players seem to be quicker to 50-50 balls than we are sometimes. These faults don't appear in every game, but they are there in games like today's and v Killie and Livi in the last few weeks.

Perhaps, as has been said above, teams have sussed the way we play and have figured out how to get round us. The only way to fix it is to work harder, especially on passing the ball, and try another system. SR often talks about working harder after a defeat. Hope he is also considering a change of system.

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