The AGM controversy

[Cumbriansaint72]

I did ask the question and to be fair the posters 18 years as a child and youth care worker has to be applauded as it is a difficult job and no doubt has difficult situations to deal with.

If Kibble have not long started with types of construction work then the mishaps, etc happen because of 1 thing being the quality of tradesmen available.

 

What do I mean by this.

 

More so post pandemic available good experienced tradespeople(must be PC these days....) will be retained by any current employers as there is a shortage of that. If Kibble decided to start to spread out into other areas then the available tradespeople to carry out such work on a permanent staff role won't be either the best that's out there or don't have the experience. 

 

It would be interesting to see if the care worker poster has young people assigned to ralston on work experience, not learning much from not the best quality tradespeople.

[Cookie Monster]

take for instance the myth of lack of timber for The roof joists, poppycock, the roof as built by RW, was too high, led to local complaints

So local folk complained about the height the building was built at.[emoji44]

Was this reported by the media or anyone able to provide any evidence of this as I have no recollection of it. The locals aren't normally quiet about anything they don't like at Ralston. [emoji848]

[Tonysaintee65]

what I will say is, kibble is good at what it does, very good at somethings, and I think the link up will be a good thing in the long run, for sure. But, guys like baz are fantasists, they use language around kibble’s involvement in st Mirren that is utter nonsense, I don’t know his and others reasoning behind it, but it poisons the well, it damages the relationship between kibble and smisa, creates mistrust and drives splits. In 10 or 15 years time, kibble might have the knowledge and expertise that baz claims it has ? But it doesn’t have it now. There was no project management, there was no building contractor, the “general managers” leant to st Mirren have no business knowledge outside the 3rd sector and basically, everyone made a bit of an arse of it, we carry on from here, anti kibble folk in smisa are going a bit too far at times, but for sure, the pro kibble crew in here are at best deluded and at worst shit stirring trolls. Good morning to you all.

[Tonysaintee65]

57 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

 

 

So local folk complained about the height the building was built at.

Was this reported by the media or anyone able to provide any evidence of this as I have no recollection of it. The locals aren't normally quiet about anything they don't like at Ralston.

 

What do you do for a living bud ? 

[Cookie Monster]

What do you do for a living bud ? 

Working for the people of this country, thats when I'm at work. [emoji848]

Previously a buyer, estimator and quality systems manager for a piping and structural engineering company in the pharmaceutical, chemical and nuclear industries, dating back to the BS5750 days. So been involved directly with a few really large jobs. [emoji6]

[Saintsarmy65]

15 hours ago, Tonysaintee65 said:

Sure, well , principal problems start with renderworks having never built a building before and the lack of any project management led to ridiculous problems in the actual construction. take for instance the myth of lack of timber for The roof joists, poppycock, the roof as built by RW, was too high, led to local complaints then had to be redone to comply with building regs, but mostly just ridiculous things like having to completely redo the electrics as they’d over loaded the grid.hadn’t discussed anything with the likes of Scottish water or even btconnect for bandwidth needed for all the internet connected equipment that had been pre ordered, they literally thought you can just tap into local supply of any utility and get instant access, the notion anything was managed is a provable joke. 
 

Hi, as a long time employee of kibble (10+years) and life long st mirren fan, it’s time I had a say in this drama.

 

you have stated you were “directly involved” in this project. If this is true, could you confirm to the forum

 

1- who carried out the plumbing works? I.e the water problems that were involved

 

2- who carried out electrical works involved in the project?

 

 

3- who carried out bt/internet problems?

 

 

4- who was in charge of producing and changing of the drawings? I.e roofing problems which caused delays.

 

If you can’t provide the answers to these then just ask as I was directly involved with this projects so you must know who this is coming from.

 

 

look forward to hearing back about this 👍

 

[Tonysaintee65]

10 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Working for the people of this country, thats when I'm at work.

Previously a buyer, estimator and quality systems manager for a piping and structural engineering company in the pharmaceutical, chemical and nuclear industries, dating back to the BS5750 days. So been involved directly with a few really large jobs.

Right well, maybe you understand these things better than I do, but they put up the rafters for the roof, a council planner appeared, said there was concerns the roof was higher than originally stated, measured it, said it would  too high, fix it. And that’s when the work stopped really, so that’s what happened, I don’t know if the media would be interested in that or not? 

[Saintsarmy65]

3 minutes ago, Tonysaintee65 said:

Right well, maybe you understand these things better than I do, but they put up the rafters for the roof, a council planner appeared, said there was concerns the roof was higher than originally stated, measured it, said it would  too high, fix it. And that’s when the work stopped really, so that’s what happened, I don’t know if the media would be interested in that or not? 

Total lies, try again. If you need help just give me a message 

[Tonysaintee65]

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25 minutes ago, Saintsarmy65 said:

 

Hi, as a long time employee of kibble (10+years) and life long st mirren fan, it’s time I had a say in this drama.

 

you have stated you were “directly involved” in this project. If this is true, could you confirm to the forum

 

1- who carried out the plumbing works? I.e the water problems that were involved

 

2- who carried out electrical works involved in the project?

 

 

3- who carried out bt/internet problems?

 

 

4- who was in charge of producing and changing of the drawings? I.e roofing problems which caused delays.

 

If you can’t provide the answers to these then just ask as I was directly involved with this projects so you must know who this is coming from.

 

 

look forward to hearing back about this 👍

 

 

Nae bother, brother, you pm what house you’re in, I’ll pop over this week, we swap ID cards, I’ll tell you names the fellas involved you can decide if you want to name them on a public forum, though I’d be very careful about breaching confidentiality, cause I think GeeGee may be unhappy ending up in here.

 

[Tonysaintee65]

15 minutes ago, Saintsarmy65 said:

Total lies, try again. If you need help just give me a message 

Funny that you popping up 4 hours ago, after 3 failed attempts were made to access my account? 
 

[Saintsarmy65]

4 minutes ago, Tonysaintee65 said:

othet

Nae bother, brother, you pm what house you’re in, I’ll pop over this week, we swap ID cards, I’ll tell you names the fellas involved you can decide if you want to name them on a public forum, though I’d be very careful about breaching confidentiality, cause I think GeeGee may be unhappy ending up in here.

 

Not a problem “brother”. Your happy to slaughter both kibble and rendering works on this forum but when I have asked a question it’s now a problem? You haven’t backed up anything that you stated on this forum. It’s no problem for me what names get dropped, I don’t want to hide behind a forum calling people out what your doing, I just want the truth behind what’s happened at the club so if you could answer my previous questions it would help solve this? Or was it just lies? 
 

[Saintsarmy65]

5 minutes ago, Tonysaintee65 said:

Funny that you popping up 4 hours ago, after 3 failed attempts were made to access my account? 
 

Will I come back later when the lies stop brother and maybe we can start again? 

[Saintsarmy65]

6 minutes ago, Tonysaintee65 said:

Funny that you popping up 4 hours ago, after 3 failed attempts were made to access my account? 
 

Just ask me a question about what’s happened and I’ll be happy to tell the truth unlike what’s happening here 

[Tonysaintee65]

1 minute ago, Saintsarmy65 said:

Just ask me a question about what’s happened and I’ll be happy to tell the truth unlike what’s happening here 

Sure fella, like I’ve said, you PM me your details, we’ll meet up have a chat, you can decide what you want to post to a public forum, dead simple

 

[Saintsarmy65]

2 minutes ago, Tonysaintee65 said:

Sure fella, like I’ve said, you PM me your details, we’ll meet up have a chat, you can decide what you want to post to a public forum, dead simple

 

Sent a PM to you. Im sure the rest of the fans on the forum would like you to answer the questions above though? 

[Tonysaintee65]

1 minute ago, Saintsarmy65 said:

Sent a PM to you. Im sure the rest of the fans on the forum would like you to answer the questions above though? 

Well as  I clearly stated, I won’t be answering your questions on a public forum, but will happily meet you on main campus, have the discussion with you, then you can decide wether to answer the questions you asked publicly.

[Saintsarmy65]

2 minutes ago, Tonysaintee65 said:

Well as  I clearly stated, I won’t be answering your questions on a public forum, but will happily meet you on main campus, have the discussion with you, then you can decide wether to answer the questions you asked publicly.

I’m confused now. The question I have asked, you have previously stated it was rendering works so why not say it was them? Or was that lies and you don’t want to tell the truth about who’s really done this?

[Saintsarmy65]

16 hours ago, Tonysaintee65 said:

Sure, well , principal problems start with renderworks having never built a building before and the lack of any project management led to ridiculous problems in the actual construction. take for instance the myth of lack of timber for The roof joists, poppycock, the roof as built by RW, was too high, led to local complaints then had to be redone to comply with building regs, but mostly just ridiculous things like having to completely redo the electrics as they’d over loaded the grid.hadn’t discussed anything with the likes of Scottish water or even btconnect for bandwidth needed for all the internet connected equipment that had been pre ordered, they literally thought you can just tap into local supply of any utility and get instant access, the notion anything was managed is a provable joke. 
 

Just incase your confused. This was what my questions were relating to. So your ok with calling people/companies out on the forum here until questioned about it? Remember I really know what happened 😉

[TopCat]

[bazil85]

On 2/11/2023 at 4:59 PM, Tonysaintee65 said:

Hiya baza baby, as a long time kibble employee and being directly involved in the omni shambles that is ralston, I’m pointing out here, today, that every single word you’re saying about kibble, ralston and renderworks is utter inexorable pish, no project management, no business contacts, no experience whatsoever, every single job renderworks touched has been a shambles from start to finish, every word you pump out alleging kibble’s expertise is laughable. I’ve no real idea why you keep embarrassing yourself in defence of kibble? But there’s literally hundreds of kibble employees who’d laugh in your face if they read the nonsense you type out.

^^^ Seems legit 😂

[Brilliant Disguise]

On 2/3/2023 at 8:20 AM, bazil85 said:

Renderworks - A Kibble contact and the Project Management was handled by Kibble

That is a rather incestuous relationship if ever i saw one.

The project was over budget and late and the Project Management has to take some level of responsibility for that.

Who told the club that they could build a single storey 120m2 building for £80k. Even back in 2021/22 a single storey Portakabin half that size could not be bought for under a £100k excluding the fitout, utilities and the external works.

By some of the later posts it sounds like the project was not planned properly nor was it executed with any level of control. The club even had to apply for a retrospective planning application. A good Project Manager would have advised that Planning should have been applied for prior to commencing works and that it is against the law in Scotland to commence building works without a Warrant. To do so can come with a Level 5 fine on the Standard Scale, which is now unlimited (previously it’s was capped at £5k)

When was the warrant granted and when did the works commence ??

 

[waldorf34]

3 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said:

That is a rather incestuous relationship if ever i saw one.

The project was over budget and late and the Project Management has to take some level of responsibility for that.

Who told the club that they could build a single storey 120m2 building for £80k. Even back in 2021/22 a single storey Portakabin half that size could not be bought for under a £100k excluding the fitout, utilities and the external works.

By some of the later posts it sounds like the project was not planned properly nor was it executed with any level of control. The club even had to apply for a retrospective planning application. A good Project Manager would have advised that Planning should have been applied for prior to commencing works and that it is against the law in Scotland to commence building works without a Warrant. To do so can come with a Level 5 fine on the Standard Scale, which is now unlimited (previously it’s was capped at £5k)

When was the warrant granted and when did the works commence ??

 

You dont need planning permission  for temporary  buildings 

[faraway saint]

58 minutes ago, waldorf34 said:

You dont need planning permission  for temporary  buildings 

As long as they are not going to be used for longer than 28 days. 

[Albanian Buddy]

59 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

As long as they are not going to be used for longer than 28 days. 

[bazil85]

2 hours ago, Brilliant Disguise said:

That is a rather incestuous relationship if ever i saw one.

The project was over budget and late and the Project Management has to take some level of responsibility for that.

Who told the club that they could build a single storey 120m2 building for £80k. Even back in 2021/22 a single storey Portakabin half that size could not be bought for under a £100k excluding the fitout, utilities and the external works.

By some of the later posts it sounds like the project was not planned properly nor was it executed with any level of control. The club even had to apply for a retrospective planning application. A good Project Manager would have advised that Planning should have been applied for prior to commencing works and that it is against the law in Scotland to commence building works without a Warrant. To do so can come with a Level 5 fine on the Standard Scale, which is now unlimited (previously it’s was capped at £5k)

When was the warrant granted and when did the works commence ??

 

For people like yourself, it’s always going to be a case of ‘Kibble bad’

For me, I think it seems entirely more reasonable that the issues at Ralston are legacy & the full extent of the uplift became apparent as the project work was undertaken. 

If Kibble have indeed quoted £80k as a set quote for everything, in full knowledge & review of the work needing done, then yes, more fool them. But I’m yet to see a shred of evidence, that’s how things transpired. It seems extremely unlikely to me.