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2 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

No idea, hence why I’m not saying they’ve completely f*cked it or they’ve came out smelling of roses. 
 

My personal view is it’s extremely unlikely they just happened to end up costing us around 5X the initial estimates needlessly, because I feel it would be far bigger news & someone would have blown the whistle. 
 

I also find it extremely unlikely a company the size of the Kibble & the services they offer, don’t have people on their books with project management experience that would complement what was needed at Ralston. Especially when it seems evident they have a project management team. 
 

Finally, Projects like the experience, the need for facilities on their campuses for kids & the Kibble works side of things, I assume there has been elements of project management there that will almost certainly have transferable skills to a relatively small, training ground location. 

A long winded way of saying “I don’t know”

You went off and typed in LinkedIn Kibble + Project and came back with 2 names. Can you confirm that these individuals have the skill set to PM a commercial construction project. The qualification is more than playing SIMS on their iPad 

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4 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said:

A long winded way of saying “I don’t know”

You went off and typed in LinkedIn Kibble + Project and came back with 2 names. Can you confirm that these individuals have the skill set to PM a commercial construction project. The qualification is more than playing SIMS on their iPad 

It’s reasonable evidence that counters your ‘zero’ project management claim. You asserted it & you know it. 

Do you understand what Linkedin is? It’s pretty reliable on job titles, if someone lies on there, they’ll easily be found out & probably dug up by their colleagues/ management. 
 

You’re the one making the claims here to the negative, remember. I’m only challenging them. 

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3 hours ago, bazil85 said:

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

I think this kind of proves my point on negative assumptions around this subject. I seem to have been villainised for not jumping on the ‘Kibble bad’ bandwagon, despite a lack of evidence for it. 

Wasn't asking a trick question.

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14 minutes ago, bazil85 said:


Do you understand what Linkedin is? It’s pretty reliable on job titles, if someone lies on there, they’ll easily be found out & probably dug up by their colleagues/ management. 

Do the two you found on LinkedIn have PM Experience on Construction other than SIM City.

Roses are Red

Violets are Blue

Bazils in a froth

And doesn’t have a clue

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3 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said:

Do the two you found on LinkedIn have PM Experience on Construction other than SIM City.

Roses are Red

Violets are Blue

Bazils in a froth

And doesn’t have a clue

Your claim was ‘zero’ PM experience, then you moved the goalposts to something specific. (Ignoring how transferable PM experience can be). 
 

We have established, neither of us know the extent of the PM experience at the Kibble’s disposal, so your ‘zero’ claim was baseless. 
 

As I said, you could own that you made an arse of it or keep digging. You’ve chosen the latter. 👍

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You are one deluded individual. The last part explains your ignorance and lack of understanding on the complexity that is involved in development and construction. To infer that someone who Project Manages say a Welding Plant can have inter-transferable skills and knowledge  to manage a construction project with issues such as Planning, Warrant, Utilities, Tenders, Contracts, Condition of Contracts, SOA, Programmes, Change Control, Valuations, Variations, HSE, CDM to name but a few is possibly the reason the club are reporting a loss.
Remember the £400k+ issue is a wendyhouse that went wrong. Thank goodness they were not building something more complex. 
But don’t worry the service was free
A good project manager doesn't need to personally have expertise in any specific field/industry.
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23 minutes ago, bazil85 said:


Do you understand what Linkedin is? It’s pretty reliable on job titles, if someone lies on there, they’ll easily be found out & probably dug up by their colleagues/ management. 
 

🤦‍♂️ you are exceedingly naive.

People lie all the time whether that is on CVs, LinkedIn or in actual interviews.

Please put the shovel down. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Albanian Buddy said:

🤦‍♂️ you are exceedingly naive.

People lie all the time whether that is on CVs, LinkedIn or in actual interviews.

Please put the shovel down. 

 

People are less inclined to lie on LinkedIn (I’d say especially on their job title/ area), given the nature of the website. People on LinkedIn, are generally followed by coworker, direct reports & managers. 

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8 minutes ago, Slarti said:
59 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said:
You are one deluded individual. The last part explains your ignorance and lack of understanding on the complexity that is involved in development and construction. To infer that someone who Project Manages say a Welding Plant can have inter-transferable skills and knowledge  to manage a construction project with issues such as Planning, Warrant, Utilities, Tenders, Contracts, Condition of Contracts, SOA, Programmes, Change Control, Valuations, Variations, HSE, CDM to name but a few is possibly the reason the club are reporting a loss.
Remember the £400k+ issue is a wendyhouse that went wrong. Thank goodness they were not building something more complex. 
But don’t worry the service was free

A good project manager doesn't need to personally have expertise in any specific field/industry.

Okay !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

Your claim of ‘zero’ project management experience has been blown apart. We can both see, you’re now just second guessing the negative. Accept it, move on, you’ll be better for it. 👍

Also, project management skills are often transferable. A project manager doesn’t need to be an expert in the field they manage, that’s almost exactly why they exist. To source & manage the experts. 

every day you show that you understand less and less.  An IT project manager wont get very far managing construction and vice versa

What is the point of a manager whose only task is to appoint other people to do things?  

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5 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:

every day you show that you understand less and less.  An IT project manager wont get very far managing construction and vice versa

What is the point of a manager whose only task is to appoint other people to do things?  

‘Zero’ PM, that was your claim. I showed the very likely situation, that the Kibble employ project managers. You then went on about project managing bird house building or some nonsense

You are now going so far as to hint that there isn’t a benefit in project managers full stop. 😂😂 

You have ducked, spun, changed the goalposts. Surely all that’s left is to accept you were wrong to make a claim a fact, that they don’t have anyone who has the experience to project manage Ralston? 🤷‍♂️

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5 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:

every day you show that you understand less and less.  An IT project manager wont get very far managing construction and vice versa

What is the point of a manager whose only task is to appoint other people to do things?  

Under HSE CDM 2015 appointing a Project Manager with little to no experience in the construction industry would put the Client at risk of a prosecution in the event of a reportable incident.

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1 minute ago, bazil85 said:

‘Zero’ PM, that was your claim. I showed the very likely situation, that the Kibble employ project managers. You then went on about project managing bird house building or some nonsense

You are now going so far as to hint that there isn’t a benefit in project managers full stop. 😂😂 

You have ducked, spun, changed the goalposts. Surely all that’s left is to accept you were wrong to make a claim a fact, that they don’t have anyone who has the experience to project manage Ralston? 🤷‍♂️

Not only are your knickers in a twist, you are lashing out at the wrong poster.  I never wrote those things.

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Almost true as the failure to appoint competent people is in itself a breach even if there are no incidents.  It's just that the reportable incident would often be the first thing that would catch the HSE attention.  The overrun should have necessitated a F10 notification to be submitted, even with only very light manpower the project would have exceeded the threshold of notifiable work.  Failure to do that would be an offence, as would a failure to discharge the principal designer duties which sit with the club.

Fortunately, no-one has been hurt yet,  

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5 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

‘Zero’ PM, that was your claim. I showed the very likely situation, that the Kibble employ project managers. You then went on about project managing bird house building or some nonsense

You are now going so far as to hint that there isn’t a benefit in project managers full stop. 😂😂 

You have ducked, spun, changed the goalposts. Surely all that’s left is to accept you were wrong to make a claim a fact, that they don’t have anyone who has the experience to project manage Ralston? 🤷‍♂️

Christ you are rattled today

You were the one boasting that the Kibble had Project Managed the works for free then went on to advise that a Project Manager of the Kibble Knitting Group has the same transferable skills to a PM working on a Construction Project. Then we hear BEEP BEEP BEEP as you start reversing and telling us “the Kibble have Project Managers they do, they do, i saw it on LinkedIn and a Big Boy told me”

Calm down Baz

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8 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said:

Under HSE CDM 2015 appointing a Project Manager with little to no experience in the construction industry would put the Client at risk of a prosecution in the event of a reportable incident.

You’ve made an arse of it, accept it. You have no idea what project managers they have & their capability. 

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2 minutes ago, Brilliant Disguise said:

Christ you are rattled today

You were the one boasting that the Kibble had Project Managed the works for free then went on to advise that a Project Manager of the Kibble Knitting Group has the same transferable skills to a PM working on a Construction Project. Then we hear BEEP BEEP BEEP as you start reversing and telling us “the Kibble have Project Managers they do, they do, i saw it on LinkedIn and a Big Boy told me”

Calm down Baz

You’re wrong, completely consistent. You have squirmed all over the place after not being able to defend your point. 

Like it or not, I showed there is very likely project management at the Kibble & that neither of us know the extent of their capability. 
 

As usual in our conversations Dicko, your needless & baseless negativity has caused you to have a complete & utter nightmare 

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Just now, bazil85 said:

Apologise. 
 

You have though, perhaps chosen the wrong side here on product management.  He’s having a nightmare. 

Project 

And as one of the project management team on some of the biggest infrastructure & utilities projects ever undertaken in the UK, as well as one in France and 2 in Germany, I know what i am talking about and who is talking sense or bullshit. 

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5 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:

Project 

And as one of the project management team on some of the biggest infrastructure & utilities projects ever undertaken in the UK, as well as one in France and 2 in Germany, I know what i am talking about and who is talking sense or bullshit. 

Project management absolutely has transferable skill. If you disagree with that, I don’t for a second believe you’ve worked anywhere near it. 
 

To think a small project at a Scottish premier club training facility would need a very specific & specialist project management is utterly redundant. 🤦‍♂️

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