VAR.

[Saint@Johnstone]

There was a lot of talk earlier in the season about wrong var decisions and how they could impact unfairly on teams which have been victims. Given our unenviable record particularly in the first half of the season, this may come to pass for Saints. It’s rather a self fulfilling prophesy for us. Admittedly having a non existent forward line doesn’t help but I reckon we have been denied a few points by Var. Maybe we are due a change of luck before the end of the league. About time. 

[bazil85]

23 minutes ago, Scott-Leeds said:

For me a vote achieves the endgame. If fans vote keep it, then that’s it done. No point arguing & debating the keep/ retain because it’s democratic on what VAR actually looks like. 

If they vote & say bin it. We chalk it down to an education piece & it (hopefully) never darkens our door again. 
 

^^^
Don't bet on the Indy mob accepting it 😀

Like you say, ask the fans , accept the decision, end of 

You could probably apply the same logic to a second Indy vote to a second VAR vote. 
 

In both instances we now know just how much of a sh*t show it would be, what we were actually voting for. 😂

[rabuddies]

The big question is what happens if the game abandons VAR?  How long will it be before fans and boards of the entitled "big clubs" lose out on a trophy or fail to qualify for the big money competitions because of a couple of dodgy decisions.  The TV coverage will gleefully show the slowed down, hunners of angles views and the opinion of pundits (not the sharpest nails in the box) and ex-refs.  I think VAR is out of the box and can't be put away.  What is needed is it has to get better.  No more refs 200 miles away from the action backing up fellow refs on dubious, wrong decisions. It needs a mix of people.  There must be a few experienced ex-players who could work with officials to bring some common sense to the decision making (Wayne Rooney and Alan Shearer need not apply).

[bazil85]

37 minutes ago, rabuddies said:

The big question is what happens if the game abandons VAR?  How long will it be before fans and boards of the entitled "big clubs" lose out on a trophy or fail to qualify for the big money competitions because of a couple of dodgy decisions.  The TV coverage will gleefully show the slowed down, hunners of angles views and the opinion of pundits (not the sharpest nails in the box) and ex-refs.  I think VAR is out of the box and can't be put away.  .  No more refs 200 miles away from the action backing up fellow refs on dubious, wrong decisions. It needs a mix of people.  There must be a few experienced ex-players who could work with officials to bring some common sense to the decision making (Wayne Rooney and Alan Shearer need not apply).

For me, fans are well informed enough to know that voting out VAR means a return to how things were. It wasn’t perfect but it was miles better than what we have now (imo) 

However, the overarching point I was making regarding points like ‘What is needed is it has to get better’ was… 

 

If England with all the money in the world to make the technology state of the art can’t manage it. We have no chance. It’s a pipe dream thinking we will make it better where they can’t. 
 

As such, I think fans need to decide if they are pro or against VAR as is. Because this is almost certainly, pretty close the end state of VAR in Scotland. 

[beyond our ken]

20 hours ago, lenziebud said:

VAR is the engame of fans, players, managers and media never accepting decisions and that referees are human. So we end up with the utter hell of VAR.

Referees are the best they have ever been in terms of fitness and constant review of their decisions. The game is 1000 times faster and players way fitter than they were in the past so getting decisions pefect gets harder. TV reviews decision down to the last millimeter and last frame. Refs and assistants get 1 look.

So if VAR is ever taken away and it won't be you just end up back at square one.

I hate VAR personally and would love to bin it but the same old refs are biased, incompetent, better in the old days etc would just start again. Never ending

1000 times faster?  You sure?

at our level, the improvements in pace are incremental for most players over previous decades.  The issue is, VAR spoils the experience with the limited benefit of a very variable success rate of revised onfield decisions