Moustache of Hyslop
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i would like to know why people insist on asking for threads to be closed or merged, why does it bother you ? if i or anyone else wants to start a thread then we have every right to even if there are 100 threads on the same topic, seriously why do you bother,
I think we just go the whole hog and merge every thread on the forum into one giant thread!
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We'd be better off signing Stuart Little than this dud!
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I wouldn't be surprised to see quick progress now on both the sale of the club and the appointment of a new manager.
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This is all hypothetical by the way in case any c**t blows a fuse. I don't for a minute that we'll go down. Just interested in the maths.
go and put every penny you can on us not being relegated . I will give you 10 to One pm me
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sometimes you are full of surprises Stuart on the few occasions of which this is one I agree with you.
It doesn't matter if you agree with him or not. The fact is that he is wrong. We are NOT yet safe.
Don't get wide with me.
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Killie v Hearts is actually Hearts v Killie.
Thanks!
Is that the only error?
Does anyone disagree with my analysis? Is there any scenario that would be even worse?
This is all hypothetical by the way in case any cunt blows a fuse. I don't for a minute that we'll go down. Just interested in the maths.
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Are you sure?
I've probably made an error to feel free to correct me but I think this run of results would see us in the bottom two:
Killie v Hearts - home win
Ross County v Hibs - home win
Hearts v Partick - away win
Killie v St. Mirren - home win
Hibs v Killie - home win
Partick v Ross County - away win
St. Mirren v Hearts - away win
I think the table would be:
Ross County - 40
Killie - 39
Partick - 38
Hibs - 38
St. Mirren - 38
Based on current goal difference and the above sequence of results then we'd probably finish in the play off spot on goal difference.
The games would need to go exactly as described above.
I think the probability of that happening is next to nothing. Try putting that run of results on at a bookies and see what odds you would get.
One draw in 7 games ends it.
Of course, this is all presuming the very worst. Far more likely is for us to finish in 7th spot comfortably.
No need for any more arse twitching!
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Hurts will hump killie... game over
A draw and its game over.
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Ask Elvis. He's probably worked out every conceivable way it could happen.
I think I've just shown the only way it can happen. Happy for someone to show me differently.
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If Killie lose tomorrow we are 100% safe.
If they don't we are all but safe, would take some really freaky results for us to finish 11th now. We only could by Goal Difference.
Won't happen though, we are safe, promise ;)
Nah, I think that anything other than a Killie win sees us safe.
Any draws in the last remaining 7 games ends it.
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Well done for working that out. I had a stab at it but gave up and decided just to let my arse twitch for another four days.
Killie v Hearts - home win
Ross County v Hibs - home win
Hearts v Partick - away win
Killie v St. Mirren - home win
Hibs v Killie - home win
Partick v Ross County - away win
St. Mirren v Hearts - away win
I think the table would be:
Ross County - 40
Killie - 39
Partick - 38
Hibs - 38
St. Mirren - 38
Based on current goal difference and the above sequence of results then we'd probably finish in the play off spot on goal difference.
The games would need to go exactly as described above.
I think the probability of that happening is next to nothing. Try putting that run of results on at a bookies and see what odds you would get.
One draw in 7 games ends it.
Of course, this is all presuming the very worst. Far more likely is for us to finish in 7th spot comfortably.
No need for any more arse twitching!
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I think Killie have to lose to Hearts to give us the 100% safe as of now.
'Mon the Jambos
I think even a draw in that game is enough.
I've done some quick stats and I think there is a sequence of results which could see Killie & Ross County finish above us with Hibs, Partick & St. Mirren tied on goal difference.
Can't work out a sequence where we can be overtaken beyond goal difference.
But it would have to be an incredible run of results for this to happen. If any of the remaining 7 games are drawn then I think its over.
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Full Time 1-0 Well done Saints.....one more decent result will do it....can it be next game please ?
No, I think that's us safe now.
I haven't worked it out myself but I can't believe that there can be any possible combination of results which could relegate us now, even if we lose our last 2 games.
Can anyone confirm?
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If the crowd given is correct that mean there were around 3700 saints fans at the game. That was around the same number as against Motherwell but the main and south stand certainly had a lot more people in it. Must have been some amount of comps handed out
But comps are included in the attendance...
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Again - nobody is saying that there weren't empty areas, nobody is saying it was a full house. However with the North stand nigh on full, you're looking for nearly 3,000 seats, or certainly 2,500 empty in the remaining stands. And there just weren't as many as that empty! Not even close! To say there were is like trying to argue that black is white and white is black.
I'm not suggesting anything with why the announced figures were so far wrong (and not for the first time), as I don't know if it's intentional, careless, or faulty systems. All I DO know is that the figures themselves are not even close to reality.
In my opinion there were that many empty seats. To say there weren't is like trying to argue that black is white and white is black.
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Again, you don't have to be a mathematical genius to know that there were NOT nearly 3,000 free seats in the ground. You just have to have basic observational skills.
As I mentioned above, if you use your "basic" observational skills then you will spot many single empty seats or a couple of empty seats all over the place. These all add up.
What are you suggesting anyway? Why would the club put out a false attendance?
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I have asked the question of Brian Caldwell before and he confirmed that comps and hospitality does not count towards the official attendance.
They do count
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Thistle have a poor home record, we will take a big crowd and we have the better players.
The downside is that Jim Goodwin is suspended. Yesterday's outfield line up has been quite successful this season and the absence of Goodwin may see some tinkering.
It would be good if Djemba-Djemba could some in as a like for like swap but I can't see it. Newton moved inside with Wylde on the right may be a solution.
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Usual comps, hospitality etc dont count. Then take the 200 in the no mans land in the west bank in the separation bit. Nothing to do with creative accounting. Family stand would have lots of comps from easter camps
Comps and hospitality DO count.
Fans have a tendency to overestimate gates. Single empty seats, 2 empty seats, etc, very difficult to spot when scanning round a ground. If you look closely you'll spot them though.
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Dundee are a far bigger club than us unfortunately. In fact there's a credible argument that Dundee are in fact a bigger club than Dundee United. In recent times they've been down on their luck, but in terms of hardcore support they probably just edge it I'd say.
Motherwell and Killie are slightly bigger than us, we're slightly bigger than Thistle but significantly bigger than St Johnstone and ICT.
Dundee United overtook Dundee as the bigger club approaching 40 years ago now. They get bigger gates and they are more successful.
Motherwell & Killie aren't bigger than St. Mirren (or Thistle). They've had the good fortune to be backed by rich benefactors for the past couple of decades which has gone a long way to explain why they have outperformed us.
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In my opinion, Jim Goodwin now has a reputation that goes before him.
Not sure how he ended up with this reputation however as someone like Andy Millen was a far dirtier player yet didn't receive half as much attention from referees as Goodwin.
Maybe Millen was that bit more clever?
Football is a game for big girl's blouses nowadays. I dread to think how many sending offs Aber would get if he was playing in the modern era...
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There has always been much opposition to the split over the years and I've never understood why.
The concept is a stroke of genius.
The clubs at the bottom all play each other thus generating big crowds.
If Hearts hadn't ended up with a 15 point deduction then we may well have seen all 6 clubs at the bottom in a relegation dogfight.
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I'd have thought that someone like Kane Hemmings would be a good signing. Good goalscoring return in the First Division for a struggling side (he's scored more for them in the league this season than Sutton did for us when we won the First Division). He'd surely get goals in the top flight?
A decent strike partner for Thompson would give us a chance of the top 6.