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7 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
its called a balanced view of performance/capability! Goodwin has out performed his predecessor two seasons running now,
While I don't disagree that Goodwin may be a decent appointment, I don't think your stated comparison in the second sentence is possible.
Ross' first season at Alloa was in a higher division and he never completed a full season in League One. Therefore, impossible to compare with Goodwin!
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23 minutes ago, StuD said:
I gave two examples. Neither walked away from debt. St Johnstone had no debt, Kilmarnock went into debt building a hotel and sold their hotel and raised equity by selling shares to restructute their debt - and Kilmanock still own equity in the newco that bought the hotel. Its speculated that the Bank of Scotland wrote off some debt but since there is a confidentiality clause in place no-one knows if debt was written off or replaced by equity in the hotel.
Both those clubs came from the third teir of Scottish Football whilst St Mirren were regular top six finishers playing regulaly in Europe.
Motherwell dont ask their fans to buy the club footballs, to pay staff wages or to fund the relaying of astrograss despite being fan owned. They have a revenue generating social club, a match day bar and offices that are rented out and their local council hasn't donated a training academy for peppercorn rent.
St Mirren enjoyed considerable luck and support from the council that allowed tham to sell off land to a company that would leave the land dormant but which bought it to stop other supermarkets from using it. That luck and good fortune was wasted.
I didn't say that St. Johnstone walked away from debt but Kilmarnock did. Your first paragraph is therefore both wrong and irrelevant.
With regards to Motherwell, their main route to success was spending other people's money, not repaying it and avoiding relegation by lobbying against the promoted club.
I'd hardly say that St. Mirren 'good fortune' was wasted. The deal saved the club from liquidation, repayed over £3 million in debt, provide a brand new stadium with vastly reduced maintenance costs plus training facilities.
If only the club had had the foresight to include a running track
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1 minute ago, ShefkiKuqisSkidmarks said:
Yeah it was a great side and I was lucky to have been around.
Unfortunately we really underachieved on the trophy front. I think we had the best team in Europe that year but the squad players just weren't up to the job, we had a lot of injuries as I think we played 66 games that season. We beat Villa three times but they won the league, we knocked them out of the FA Cup in the third round and they weren't in Europe so they got away with only using 14 players the whole season. We should have won the treble. We were runners up again the following season. Liverpool really had it in for us the late 70's and early 80's.
Unfortunately we took it for granted at the time, we were in Europe 9 seasons out of 10 and to this day we remain the only team that would have won the league under a three rather than two points per win system - that was in 1974/75
Oh well, that's me all depressed again.
I always looked on that Ipswich side as England's Aberdeen or Dundee United!
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Cooper - Burley, Osman, Butcher, Mills - Wark, Thijssen, Muhren, Gates - Brazil, Mariner
What a team! UEFA Cup winners and league runners up in 1981
7 of them "academy" players.
3 Scots in the side, John Wark scoring 36 goals from midfield, and none of them could get a regular game for Scotland!
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1 minute ago, Stu said:
A running track is a real money spinner. Me and the other members of the running club using one in Dumfries last night must have generated at least £12.
I use the one at Linwood for free. The council must be raking in the cash!
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18 minutes ago, TopCat said:
Reilly obviously doesn’t fancy being a squad player. He wasn’t first choice when it was just him and Mullen.
I expect and hope we will sign at least two first team strikers in the summer, preferably with proven goal scoring records in the Scottish Premiership.
So if Gavin couldn’t get a start when it was just him and Danny Mullen, where’s he going to figure when there’s 2 more strikers to compete with?You also expected and hoped that we'd sign 2 more 'proven' strikers before the start of last season after we signed Reilly otherwise we had no hope and told everyone that Reilly was sh1te.
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29 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:
They got lucky with those lottery winners.
Yeh, so they did. Forgot about that.
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15 minutes ago, StuD said:
St Mirren could have got revenue genarating facilities paid for by Tesco but some dafty thought three tiny pitches in the car park did the job.
Could they?
How much did Asda's income generating facilities at St. Johnstone cost, how much did the 3 tiny pitches at Greenhill Rd cost and what would have been the cost of alternative income generating facilities at Greenhill Road? And how much extra would this have brought the club?
Indeed, what should those alternative revenue generating facilities have been? A running track?
Relying on SMiSA is an irrelevance and you've ignored the REAL issue - the massive debts that competing club used and reneged on.
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1 hour ago, Bud the Baker said:
As I pointed out one of them nearly went out of business following that advice and our location doesn't match the Fakes which even their fans recognize was a windfall.
And St. Johnstone's non match day revenue generating facilities were paid for by Asda.
Clubs like Kilmarnock, Motherwell and Dundee funded their "success" by spending vast amounts of money that they didn't have then reneging on that debt. Fir Park and Dens Park also require a lot of money to keep from falling apart.
The club that I think has been similar to us, in terms of not being able to use debt to fund "success" has been Partick Thistle.
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Then correct me dear Sir.
What did us was a bad start to the season.
We only won 6 pts in the first quarter and found ourselves in 8th position. This compares with 12 points in each of the next 3 quarters.
Indeed, we won only 1 point in the first 3 games and found ourselves bottom of the league.
The turning point was managing to get knocked out of the League Cup over 2 legs by Hamilton, despite winning the first leg at Douglas Park 2-0!
Changes were required...
The reasons for the improvement in form after the first quarter can be down to the introduction of 3 players IMO.
A young winger, Peter Weir, was promoted from the reserves after the poor start, along with a young centre half, Mark Fulton, who replaced Andy Dunlop.
In addition, Jimmy Bone returned from playing in America during the summer to play in midfield.
At the half way stage we were actually 1 point ahead of eventual champions Aberdeen, albeit they had 3 games in hand. We were 8 points behind eventual runners up Celtic, however.
By the end of the third quarter, we were only 1 point behind Aberdeen, having played a game more and still 8 behind Celtic.
We actually had a surge in form in the first half of the last quarter - winning 9 points from a possible 10 - to put us in a position to challenge for the title.
This is in complete contrast to your memory!
With 4 games to go we faced Aberdeen at Pittodrie, just 1 point behind them, albeit having played a game more. Had we won that match then we may well have gone on to win the title.
Unfortunately though, we lost 2-0.
Dispirited, we then lost our next match, 2-1 away to an already relegated Hibs.
Final 2 matches were a 4-1 home win over a Rangers side who were resting players ahead of the Scottish Cup final and a 0-0 draw at home to Celtic which handed the title to Aberdeen.
Injuries to key players like Frank McDougall and Lex Richardson undoubtedly had an effect for those final 4 games. I believe our run in the Anglo Scottish Cup probably also hampered us. -
1 hour ago, magnus said:
That's a bit of a shocker.
Livi supporting guy I work with told me.
Watching the Livi bench when they came for the 0-0 draw was very illuminating. At one stage, Hopking disappeared up the tunnel for 5 mins in the second half then reappeared and sat on the bench. No-one on the Livi bench noticed or batted an eyelid.
I'm pretty sure that the manager situation at Livi must be known in football circles.
Therefore, I'm pretty certain that Hopkin won't be the next St. Mirren manager, nor indeed the next manager of any other club.
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If I remember rightly, we were in a great position but games were postponed after which we didn't gather the points we needed.
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Care to elaborate Captain ?
Their assistant manager is the guy in charge. Hopkin is just a figurehead.
Quick google will explain why -
It transpires that Hopkin is 3rd or 4 th largest shareholder at Morton. He’s a shoe in for that job if Livi fail to gain promotion. Considering the job he’s done with such limited resources I think it’s silly not to consider someone like him, if we required a new manager. If he was given the budget we have for the premiership then he would probably make very good use of it, given the superb job he’s done with Livingston. Not the prettiest football to watch but very effective.
Who’s to say he won’t be a more effective manager at a bigger club with more resources.
Me!
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24 minutes ago, Big Yards said:
Brutal as in they beat everyone!
Doesn't count unless you make short passes apparently....
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10 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:
Hopkin has a side playing brutal football that would surely be found out up a division
Why?
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32 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
Dear god please no!
it was effective for him against the likes of Brechin, Dumbarton and.... oh yes us! But the shitfestbof football Hopkin has his team serve up will send fans away in droves, plus it would see us routed in the Premiership by much better centre backs who it will be food & drink to.
season ticket sales will reflect whoever the new manager is.
It was also effective for Leicester City against the likes of Man City, Man United, Arsenal & Chelsea a couple of seasons ago.
Hopkin's not in charge at Livi anyway so you can rest easy.
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1 minute ago, northstbuddie said:
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A quick google will tell you all you need to know and why.
Observing the Livi bench at the title clincher confirmed what I'd been told. Hopking even disappeared up the tunnel for 5 mins during the 2nd half and when he returned he just sat back down on the bench and no-one noticed.
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10 minutes ago, Saint Garf said:
Fixed it for you.
He's done well at Livi, but he's one of the last I would want taking over here. We've got football players at this club, imagine putting that ape in charge of them. I couldn't imagine having to watch that type of football every week. Mince.
Hopkin isn't responsible for the style of football at Livi. He's just cover for the reality of the situation there.
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44 minutes ago, northstbuddie said:
Dave Hopkins perhaps?
Hopkin is a figurehead. David Martindale is the guy who is really in charge at Livi.
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13 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:
Jesus fucking Christ!
What?
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Jesus f**king Christ!
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Just heard from a former work colleague who lives in Manchester, he's told me there are some horrible rumours flying about, won't repeat them on here.
What possesses some people?
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5 hours ago, faraway saint said:
Aye, the classic forum member, whines about other members yet throws this at any new member who he, as usual, immediately brands an alias because he's not part of his preferred forum members.
This'll keep new people on the forum......................
Pozbaird is the very one who should be in the 'wank tank' (copyright Pozbaird/Drew)
He's the forum's biggest wanker by far.
What do you expect of the Chairman and Board
in General St. Mirren Discussion
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Regarding your first sentence, I asked earlier what non match day revenue facilities you think they should have built and how much it would have cost versus what they had available to spend. You didn't answer and until you do, your viewpoint is worthless.
I do agree however that lobbying for a rangers tribute act to be allowed into the top flight was a disgrace (note - he didn't actually lobby to keep the liquidated Rangers in the top flight as the liquidated Rangers are just that... liquidated!)
Regarding your last sentence, once its willingly handed over by SMiSA then its St. Mirren's money!
Clubs like Motherwell, Dundee & Kilmarnock truly did spend other folk's money - and didn't repay it! They cheated!