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Ahh shit. More and more months of dragging heels and selling speculation
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The fan ownership model of 10000 hrs turned out to be a bit of an unholy and imbalanced alliance. If you get a supporters trust model arrangement with either the existing BoD or with the new owners that would a better model. Clubs need leadership and that has been lacking of late. Fans should be involved at some level, but the 10000 hrs was never going to deliver against the hype they created.
I think these supporters trust or fan on the board models can be just a sop under such a system. At the end of the day the guy running it who has put down the money will make the calls and I remain unconvinced on them.
If you can get a fan ownership model that works where the club is owned by the fans that would be much better. That might not be 10000hrs however.
I'm esp. unconvinced about a guy who waltzes in from America with 500k to put on the table under a confidentiality clause. Esp after the debacle with owners at the big hoose.
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I'm mega suspicious of all bids that come in. Why would you wish to own a SPL football club like us? What the plans are when you're bored like our current lot after 10 years or so.
I'm still of the view that I'd prefer the fans to own the football club, but not adverse to somebody coming in but they need to give fans the details on plans for next few years etc.
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Carey, McGowan, McGregor and McLean could demand a decent fee.
Not in a fire sale where clubs know we're desperate. Buyers market.
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Yes he was absolutely rank in that play-off game. I wouldn't have looked out of place there.
Never impressed me in the U21s either
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With the monthly subscriptions now £40k p.a. over what was needed to fund the BII loan I am struggling to see why the shortfall in corporate subscriptions should be such a big problem.
I am leaning towards the Machiavellian view expressed by Vambo57 a few posts back that delaying the deal lets the consortium take the flak for voting for Newco and lets the CIC come in with a clean slate.
Looking at the voting at the moment, it looks very unlikely that we will see Zombie Rangers in the SPL. 3 confirmed nos, Aberdeen have confirmed they are voting no this morning as have Hearts and Dundee United. Rod Petrie has taken that stance from the start too at Hibs. Motherwell are letting fans decide. That is 5 for starts.
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According to the PDE, the 10000 hours deal is being held back until the outcome of the newco vote is discovered as the takeover "hinges on Sky cash".
How so? Are they wishing to re-negotiate price- worth less without Newco?
Given 10000 hours is separate from club revenue, no debt on the club or impact on playing budget I don't see how it hinges on Sky money.
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Jeeze, not good at all.
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It is yet another deadline come and gone, and that is frustrating for everyone, but it was felt better to ask for a few more days especially with momentum very much on our side, rather than submit a bid today that came up short.
For sure it was a better call, not criticising, just disappointing we aren't there yet.
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Slightly disappointing we haven't got there yet with the corporate and 87 club. Another deadline, another extension, but lets hope the board see the strength of fans backing it and accept the offer 10000 hours puts in.
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Real credit has to go to the folks from overseas who have signed up. Despite having few, if any, opportunities to take in a match, these guys are showing just how much they support our club.
Great stuff!
I agree, I guess not being able to see your club in some ways might make you more passionate. I hated working at weekends during 2005/6 season, but at least made it to a few games. I then blagged Saturdays off
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It's a great achievement and I think there are a lot of envious eyes looking on.
Was thought in the middle of last week that the timing of the 10 000 hours deadline was unfortunate (Club 12 was dominating the news), but I think that debacle probably helped us in the end.
Noticed this morning that Rangers bid for re-entry to the SPL has been submitted. Unfortunately, I think that's going to mean the 1000+ of us are taking control of Saints a few days too late. Looks like the Newco vote will be one of the last pieces of business for the current board.
I noticed that too, vote will take place one or two days before 4th July
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You are assuming that 10000hours will take over the club. That debt could just as easily be hawked against Greenhill Road and St Mirren FC if Gilmour follows through with his promise to sell no matter what.
As for selling their shares - I've no issue with that but the market value is massively skewed. How can anyone value a business that for 12 out of 13 years barely turned a profit at £4m is beyond me, especially when that values the club at over 150% of annual turnover.
Football is always mad in the valuation stakes. However we will regret it if someone does buy the club only to load the debt back onto us.
The CIC might not be the wonderful option, but it is a far better option than that, and I feel if we let it slip by we might look at other clubs doing fan ownership and get a wee bit jealous.
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Just seen the latest Subscription figure on 10000hours site - £4695 with 4 days to reach £7500.
Frankly that is disappointing. Just seems like the fans don't want to back it. 750 people paying £10 a month shouldn't have been too hard an objective for our club, but apathy seems to have taken hold. Hopefully they can still get to the number.
I think fan ownership is the way forward for our club. Whether this is the right way and best method to get it, I'm unsure, but it is probably the best opportunity we have and we can evolve it as it goes. Personally I don't want the club falling into the hands of some guy looking to make a return on an investment. I want it to be like the German fan run models.
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If you caught that 'The tube' program it certainly seemed to be the reaction of most on 'one unders'. Guy at Leicester Square said that when he worked at Holborn a guy dropped dead at the bottom of the escalator and people were stepping over him to get on the trains.
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Surprisingly, the Gulf Garage at Linthouse has kept their prices at..
142.9p unleaded and
146.9p diesel.
Unsurprisingly, there are no queues.
Their Car Wash is busier.
Does anyone ever use that garage for fuel? It's always more expensive and with other garages so close by...
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Silverburn Tesco ran out yesterday afternoon, got a new delivery last night when I was in the supermarket. The amount of people coming in for fuel only and just turning around as it was closed was unbelievable, must have been 10 people as I was leaving.
It was open again this morning and swamped. At 8am usually has 2 or 3 cars max- the queue for every pump was again 2 or 3 deep.
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ETA: will bus companies be affected if the drivers go on strike?
Depends. Some smaller companies fill up at garages so will be affected, however most have tanks at their depots. If strike is long, yes they will be affected but shorter strikes it is unlikely. Same goes for trains since majority are diesel powered.
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Panic buying caused by the Government numpties. Telling us today to wait until your tank is half full and then fill up. Just think how much extra tax that is going to the Government. Petrol Stations out Hamilton way also queued out
The government could say whatever they liked, wouldn't make a difference- the media spread the panic.
The government won't gain anything from this anyway- probably lose money. Even though people are filling up tanks now, unlikely they are going to use it at a greater rate- indeed people will start avoiding making extra journeys and driving slower so govt. might well lose money.
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Where exactly is that bridge?
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My father is now 72 and still has nightmares about that night, the explosion not my entrance into the world. Great thread by the way.
Sometimes wonder how firemen and paramedics deal with things like that.
There is a series running on the BBC about the London Underground and last week it was looking at the how they deal with incidents where people have been hit by trains. Some drivers are being trauma trained to help other drivers immediately and if you start dealing with it there and then it is a lot better. I think that aspect will have improved in all walks of life as seeking counselling for horrible incidents will now be routine, in the 60s and 70s probably seen as only the weak who needed it etc.
The crews who clean up after were obviously used to it and the dead bodies wasn't a huge deal to them, as it never gets reported, however they found when they knew people who knew the person or it was reported in the media it makes things much harder. I'd imagine in Paisley at that time local firemen dealing with local factory workers would have fallen under that too. Seeing funerals take place and media coverage prolonged things etc.
Changed days with the birth- called up to the hospital from work, see the new kid and then back to finish the shift- no 2 weeks paternity there!
My Grandad was a Docker and wore a similar coat - my dad tells a story about how he once came home with a rug wrapped around himself underneath it - I think they must have lost thousands considering the amount of stuff that wandered out (or was drank on the premises in the guise of the tea kettle).
My dad maintains to this day that he was one of the first kids in Paisley to taste a banana (after the war).
Yes in the good old days it was amazing the amount of 'excess cargo' of whisky and tobacco that was floating about!
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Only the north part of what you're considering as Gordon Street existed. There were tenements across from the chippy and the entrance to what was the bus station. You can see the join still, on the causeyside street buildings.
All ripped down to allow for the new bridge to take traffic through to the new ring road, dual carriageway of Canal street.
George street used to be the main thoroughfare, discharging traffic including buses via Johnson street across the old (sole) bridge to Cotton street, which used to be a sort of terminus for all westbound buses.
Only Glasgow buses used to go along wellmeadow and the high street.
So.. The fire station did have Gordon street behind it, but it was hardly used. It was not the isolated building (along with the magnificent art deco maclennan kirk) that it is now.
My faither's cousin was firemaster, till he moved to Gullane to become Fire Training Officer for Scotland. They had a nice (we thought stunning/amazing) flat with an indoors lavvie in there!
If you have Google Earth on the computer (you can download it) it has a feature where you can turn back the time of the aerial maps to 1945. This shows the layout well.
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Be an interesting evening. When we saw the length of time from the last meeting most assumed something wasn't right so be interesting to see current proposals.
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Sounds like it !
Yeah but RA said it wouldn't work in Motherwell did he not....
10000Hours Bid Is Rejected
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Personally unless you were a fan, you'd be daft to spend over a million buying an SPL side like ours.