Tony Fitzy
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Why the hell do we have Mark Lamont playing as a trialist?
Released him as a youngster and most recently been playing for Albion Rovers and Petershill.
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The kind of genuine 'off the radar' wealth that the Ibrox Tribute Act will never get either.
The new youth complex + 7000k stadium cost £200m.
Different world!
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I wonder how good they will actually be, apart from David Villa is it not all Americans? We are have way through the season and they have never played a proper 90 minute match before so we really should beat them, would be great to go down in the history books as the first team to beat them.
It's now a certainty that we are going to go down in history as the first team to lose to them.
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Absolutely no doubt that McArthur said something to him.
Personally, I would say that McArthur said something not so nice and then "shit it" after Pearson's reaction.
Pearson acted like a man possessed though.
The guy is obviously under a lot of pressure, but he should be setting an example.
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Why put in a get out clause in the first place?
Hamilton,Dundee Utd and Falkirk don't seem to do this going by the money they seem to get
Anyway going round in circles in this
Myself and a few others are in this way of thinking
Others see the Board do no wrong
I'm out
The boards silence of late on most matters has been shocking, but I definitely don't hold them responsible for Kenny leaving yesterday for such a low fee.
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Why put in a get out clause in the first place?
Hamilton,Dundee Utd and Falkirk don't seem to do this going by the money they seem to get
Anyway going round in circles in this
Myself and a few others are in this way of thinking
Others see the Board do no wrong
I'm out
Obviously Kenny demanded it.... No get out clause = No signature
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Simple fact is we got 275k for him and nobody was even prepared to MATCH Aberdeen's bid.
Like I have said about a 1000 times on this thread, we as fans can value him at what we like, but if nobody is prepared to pay it, then he ain't worth it. SIMPLE.
The BOD could have put a 500k get out clause in the contract, but nobody would have paid it.
Aberdeen certainly wouldn't have and nobody else would have or they would have been sniffing around yesterday at 275k.
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At the end of the day, the guy is gone.
He is no longer a St Mirren player.
He chose to leave us.
Get over it people. Better players than Kenny have come and gone.
The following sentence should be enough to have the name Kenny Mclean banished to General nonsense:
"Kenny Mclean of Aberdeen FC"
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Go onto the official site and read the comment re Kenny. The player decided he would sign a new contract. Our supporters, our management team and, quite obviously, our BoD's all felt Kenny was a player worth having. IF we hadn't offered a contract worthy of the name he would have been able to leave for nowt. I'm pretty certain he would have got another club under those conditions.
I'm as upset as many about him leaving but, let's be honest, we were accusing him of inconsistency last season.
After calming down and reading the statement I now believe, contrary to my first inclination, that the Board did what they could to get McLean to sign. It's another piece of bad luck that he played so well for us during the first part of the season!
Nail on the head!
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If Kenny McLean rejected in the summer the best contract St Mirren can afford to give him, with assurances that any bid deemed acceptable by the club would be accepted. That's beyond the boards control. We move on, and will see Kenny McLean's new club at a tribunal for compensation.
However to agree basically to a release clause of such low value, which doesn't take into account his form, market value now, the time of the bid, his importance to our team and our league position is farcical IMO.
Where would we be now if Kenny hadn't been in our team this summer?
More than likely bottom of the league.
In summer we couldn't get a compensation fee for him, but now we have that fee plus we got 6 great months out of him.
The timing of the bid was the sickener for me.
Sorry, but the person who signs the contract holds all the aces because if he doesn't sign then there is NO contract.
Kenny obviously only agreed to sign on his terms.
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I was of the opinion that the fee was too low but I see where you're coming from. If Kenny had stayed fit before and during the last two January windows we were all expecting his departure. After careful consideration and accepting what was reported on the O.S. I concur that it was outwith the boards control. I think we're all just upset that our apparent only saviour was "wheeked" from under our noses.
Bang on!
Most people on here seem to be so p'd off about Kenny leaving that they have lost the ability of rational thinking.
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Over on the other thread, just before Kenny resigned, you stated it looked like he had no other choice than to sign with us.
This is true, he basically did have no choice but to sign.
He did however have total control over "what he signed"
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The board should be explaining exactly why we accepted such a shite offer for Kenny, especially after seeing other fees last night.
If it was in the contract that Kenny could leave for that amount then fine, it's in a contract but then they need to explain why the buyout was for such a low amount. Someone has severly f**ked this up and it's the fans who get robbed again. The team on the park is now worse but the fans will still be expected to shell out to watch a product that was already poor.
As always it's been a poor Januar
Why can't people get the fact that if Kenny didn't sign the contract then there is no contract????
BOD: Here ye go Kenny, 2 year deal with a £1m buy out clause
Kenny: Feck off, I'm not signing it... End of...
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You’re missing the point. The board are supposed to be running a business.
Maclean was not signed by another club in the summer due to his inconsistency and the fact that someone would have to pay £275k compensation. When he re-signed for the club then the power was with the club not the player. That was the clubs opportunity to dictate the future deal. The player was looking to ply his trade and get his big money deal. The club obviously signed him up on a cheap deal. While it is admirable that the board honoured a gentlemans agreement. It is poor business sense to not have the business foresight on the potential of your assets. A similar situation is about to come to fruition in the summer with John McGinn when he is out of contract and is currently in poor form. The club appear happy to let him walk and get some compensation rather than sign him up on a longer deal.
The McLean transfer may appear to be the catalyst for the fans outrage. The real reason for the outrage of the fans is the apathy that exists in the club. An apathy that is evident at board room level, possibly a consequence of them wanting out. If the board can’t be arsed then why should the fans. The falling attendances show that neither can the fans.
I am not bothered that McLeans away. I am not even bothered that we only got a reported £300k for him. I am however concerned that we have a club run by people who make poor business in the signing of players and managers. How many players have we signed in the last 2-3 years that have seen out their contract.
This is where "you" are not seeing the point. Player's are the one's in the position of power these days and BOD's have to bend over backwards to keep them happy and playing well.
Put yourself in Kenny's shoes. The BOD offer you a 2 year contract with no "get out clause", so you turn it down and say I'll sign it if you give me the "get out clause".
Two options are then left for the BOD:
1. Agree to it and Kenny signs the deal
2. Don't agree to it and you have one pissed off player on your hands, who still carries all the aces. He could upset the dressing room, he could say he'll only sign month to month contracts until someone agrees to pay the compo...etc etc etc..
The BOD's hands were feckin tied.
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No shit Stewart
I was saying Tony Fitz sold average players for big money
Hamilton,Cameron,Winnie,Walker and Chamlers
Changed days I'm afraid. Those players wouldn't go for any fees if they were playing today.
The Bosman ruling has seen to that. However, it works the other too. We can also sign players for sod all.
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Thank you Mr Gilmour
If no one wanted him in the summer why was his agent calling the shots
Player's value change all the time
Ian Ferguson £60,000,a year later £1,000,000
I wish you were Tony Fitz,a shite manager but he could sell players for a lot of money
Alex Smith sold Fergie
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Fair enough they agreed to let him leave should a sufficient offer come in, but I don't see how 275K is a sufficient offer.
In the summer when the agreement was made, nobody was willing to pay 275k.
How were the board to know Kenny would hit a rich vein of form and suddenly have interest in him?
They struck the deal with him on the basis that nobody would pay 275k for him in summer.
I think it was a case of the board saying, we have a player here who is worth 275k in compensation to us, but nobody wants to pay it for whatever reason (probably due to his inconsistency). What can we do???
1. Let him go for feck all!
2. Let him go for an amount that someone is willing to pay (100k maybe)!
3. Ask Kenny to sign a 2 year deal (which he didn't have to) on the condition that if someone comes in during that period with a fee similar to the compensation fee, then he could go with the clubs best wishes.
Yes, it's shit because on current form he probably is worth more, but his pre-summer form wasn't good enough to convince anybody to pay the compo.
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If we got relegated with Kenny still on board, how much do you think he would be worth.
100k at best
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275k
NO CLUB thought Kenny was worth that kind of money in summer, so he was basically forced to sign a new contract with us.
Kenny has then gone on to have a great start to the season, playing better and more consistently than he has ever done in the past.
All of a sudden somebody thinks he is worth that compo fee.
I can totally see why the BOD made that agreement with Kenny in the summer because nobody was willing to pay a penny for him.
It is fine to say he is worth this or that, but you need a buyer first. In summer they thought that getting 275k for him was a good deal.
If that fee hadn't been set then Mclean wouldn't have signed for 2 years. He would have signed for 6 months or a year and then we would have been just looking at the compensation fee anyway.
The BOD's hands were tied. I don't blame them in the slightest.
I think at the end of the day, if Kenny had left in the summer for 275k compo, not too many people would have been upset by that, but Mclean has been nothing short of fantastic this season, which really could not have been foreseen.
Get off the BOD's backs...
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I swear you boys are completely deluded if you think anybody is going to pay £1m for Kenny.
At the top of his game he probably is a £1m player, but he is rarely at that level.
Do you guys actually believe we will get seven figure money for Kenny or are you just dreaming that we will?
I think you are just dreaming personally.
Why on earth would anybody pay top money now, when they could have had him in summer for peanuts?
Kenny's performances have been better this season, but not that much better that teams are all of a sudden going to start falling over each other while trying to throw silly money at us.
What we as fans think he is worth and what someone is willing to pay are two entirely different things.
One of the following 4 scenario's are likely to happen I'm afraid.
1. Kenny will be sold for no more than 250k
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2. There will be no more bids for him.
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3. Someone will sign him next January for a nominal fee(50kish)
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4. Kenny will sign a PCA with someone next January and leave for free in summer 2016.
Bonus!
We got 25k more than what I predicted a month ago.
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So no release clause
f**k sake
Where on that statement does it say "no release clause"?
It only says agreements were made. It doesn't say whether they were verbal or contractual.
If Kenny agreed in summer to sign a new deal on the agreement that if a bid of a certain amount comes in for him, then he is free to go, fair enough. If it was a contractual agreement, then there is f**k all we could do about it. If it was a verbal one, then we would have been complete cunts to have gone back on our word.
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Nah there must be more to it than this. If Fleetwood offered 150k and that offer was basically laughed at, why would the board say it was nowhere near their valuation of the player when it wouldn't matter what their valuation of him is if he has a release clause of 275k?
Things aren't adding up here.
Could it be the release clause is a bit higher? Or there is no release clause and we were hoping to spark a bidding war? This story started a few hours ago and nothing has been confirmed yet, were we trying to bait Rotherham into making him a better offer than Aberdeen?
Who knows, now that I've said that it will probably be confirmed in 5 minutes.
I don't know what sort of world you live in, but 125k more is a big difference. It's almost double the Fleetwood bid.
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We are basically getting just a little bit short of what we would have been due in summer if someone had been willing to pay it.
Fact is though, nobody was willing to pay it in summer. Probably due to Kenny being so inconsistent.
Now that Kenny is showing a bit of consistency someone is willing to pay it. Quite simple really.
Right now, Kenny is playing like a £1m player, but he doesn't show it over long enough periods, which is why his fee is about right.
And I'm sorry, but the buying potential thing really doesn't add up for me. A 23yo who has played 150 times isn't potential, he's the finished article.
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250k - 300k is exactly what I expected for Kenny. I said this on the other "Kenny Mclean" thread the same day Fleetwood put in their bid.
Anyone on here saying we should be getting more is in DREAMLAND.
NO TEAM'S were willing to pay the compo of around 300- 400k for him in the summer, but after a couple of months great form, he is suddenly worth 750k - £1M????
We as fans can value a player at whatever we like, but if nobody is willing to pay it, then we won't get it.
Basically Kenny's form has convinced a club to now part with that compo, albeit in the form of a transfer fee rather than a compo fee.
Kenny's form hasn't been consistent over a long enough period of time to be considered a million pound player, hence why no club has come forth with such a bid.
As for the buyers paying for potential.... Kenny Mclean is 23 years old and played around 150 times. Any potential has usually been achieved by this point. He might improve little parts of his game at a bigger club, but he won't improve dramatically.
The word potential can be used for Mallan or McGinn.
300k is about all we could have hoped for to be honest.
I am sure I will be accused of being negative and talking down our players etc etc, but all I did was take off my "black & white goggles" for a second and became realistic.
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