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Are you sure?
Ooh! Ya kinky bugger!
Disny dae it fir me, but I can see that it wid fir some
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D'ya like that? bit like the home secretary saying "let me absolutely clear" then being absolutely unclear
Out of all of the coalition politicians, Theresa May is the one I cany stand the most
Zero redeeming features... -
Its busy choking the chicken.
Polishing the Bishop...
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The Grass Disnae Like The Posse ?
Top quality stuff Buddie!
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I feel sorry for you as the end of the CIC obviously marks the end of your ambition to get a place on the board below the board below the board, but good to see Atkinson still has supporters who will stick by him come what may. You can't buy that kind of loyalty, at least not with your own money.
Brilliant!
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Let's face it provans was in the town centre was accessible and the staff CARED about your custom If you had a complaint it was dealt with . You had a good selection of other ST. Mirren stuff. The new SHOP at the stadium is a complete waste of space, and another thing provans provided jobs in paisley
A good point well made.
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aye whatever you want
Sweet!
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You,ve obviously got it there, a fifty-fifty chance
Perhaps you're imagining things, but it reminds me of neither. A zero zero chance, more like!
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It does however reveal a pattern of thinking and decision making of an extremely naive business nature: that being the belief that you can make profit and turnover solely reliant on someone else putting up the capital..... ring any bells?
Not really... Who's it supposed to remind us of? The selling consortium who put in the own money, risked their businesses, affected their health and broke up their marriages a lot of which was for the love of the club?
Or is it supposed to remind us of REA who will stand to gain nothing financially from the success of the CiC? But, the town, the fans and the club will ultimately thrive?
Who is it supposed to remind us of?
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I have an idea for a new summer festival... It will rival TITP and Glasto!
Yawnfest - headlining act: Yul
I read paragraph 1, saw that it was the same old boring shit. Realised there were another 10 paragraphs of shit and do stopped. Come back with news you are willing to share.
Boring of the highest order.
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I take on board your points and agree with most of them. My worry is that it becomes a vanity project for certain people.
Bud77 certainly is a welcome addition to the CiC pages of the forums!!!
I think the point about it becoming a vanity project is fair enough Scott, however that is much less likely with the CiC model... Ownership, leadership, decision making etc will all be done on a communal basis and those in boards can be voted out if they end up acting like fandans! However, in the single-person or private finance funded model, there is much more scope for a vanity project as one person is at the top and because he found/stumped-up the cash, he can call all the shots. This is much more worrying!
And on SO77's point on the KMcG "bid" being an eventual community hand-over, firstly do you honestly think someone would spend £2m of their own money and then give it away? If so he must be mad and I don't want him near the 52%! Do you think private investors would pay into something that gets given away to a bunch of football fans for free a couple of years later?! Not a chance. And besides, as Bud77 said there has been no 'bid', just a notice of interest and someone on one of the forums heard that it might be from KMcG... Hardly worth building our future on!
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The only thing that would be new would be someone making it work, others with more money than Ken McGeoch have tried and largely failed - Romanov, Farmer, Milne, Murray for example.
With the current financial climate and the state of the majority of Scottish football clubs I'd expect any banks that would be willing to fund the buy out would demand some security from the club's assets. As the only real asset we have is the stadium, we'd be mortgaging it for between £1.2M - £2M pounds, so we'd go from relatively debt free to a situation we were in before we had to sell Love Street, with one individual in charge and no guarantee that future buyers might have the club's best interests at heart. The CIC may have it's faults but I think it is the best option to safeguard the future of the club due to the fans say in major issues.
One of the most sensible posts in a while! The CiC has its flaws an the folks piloting it have made mistakes, of this there is no doubt. However, the business model remains the most secure and transparent and robust. It'd be a shame to see our club, the first to try it, be ultimately left behind because of some technicalities whilst others, who jumped on the bandwagon late, charge ahead and secure the funding, support, publicity needed to be a success. That would be sad.
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The bottom line is that the people who are ultimately expected to foot the bill are not being kept up to speed on events. You cant argue that this is the right position
This is meant to be about collective community involvement in the decision making processes of a CIC that aims to control a football club with a potential stakeholder number in the tens of thousands. It needs to up its game in terms of communications, which seemed to be working at least in a sporadic fashion up to the point where sufficient direct debit forms were signed and returned.
I'm not arguing that this is the correct position. I said I agreed with all the previous poster had said...
And I agree with most of what you're saying. Are you able to grasp that...?
However, what is it you want them to keep you informed about? If there is nothing to say, there is nothing to say. If, in case of repercussions, they can't say anything, then they can't say anything. So, what is it that you want them to say...?
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To be honest I find the whole thing a bit disrespectful now. The lack of information or updates to the hundreds of hard core Saints fans (like you and me) who supported this bid and backed it up with a pledge of their own hard earned cash shows nothing but contempt.
I liked Richard and thought the CIC could have been be a new broom bringing fresh ideas to the club and town while also delivering better results on the park. The total blanking silence of recent months is deafening. Even if tomorrow it's all back on again, can CIC supporters really say they would still back it with the same enthusiasm now? Not sure I can.
Time for a re-think with the positive aspects of this bid transferred into a different ownership model.
I totally hear what you're saying and have to agree on all of it... However, what use is a statement that says:
"there is nothing we can say at present, we can't disclose what the hold up is as it might jeopardise our chances of ever getting the go ahead."
I reckon, without factual basis, as some others have said, it is because one of the funders won't agree for one reason or another, perhaps because of the asking price, perhaps because of another reason or two. If this is the case then there may well be negotiations that are ongoing. To disclose this might put the whole process on on the rocks. GIven the effort that REA and others have put into this, I don't believe they have just forgotten to put the word out or that they don't want to... It must be more complicated than that.
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Another thread ruined by petty bickering akin to what would be heard in a primary school playground...
So sad, just like what is happening at ipox...
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With respect to the original poster's intentions, Don't you think as this is the part of the process RA etc said they would work dilligently at then you should expect them to do so and demonstrate they can land a deal successfully?
Let's see them finish what they started, that'll be a good enough indicator of the times ahead
Honestly, the most constructive (in my view) post that you have made re the CIC. I think you're dead on, we need to wait and see if what has been spoken of, written about and promised comes to fruition. I, for one, believe it will!
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What exactly am I being acused of here ???????
Haha!!!
Sadly the 3 of them appeared together making them look connected. The RLH's are in Paisley, Ayrshire where REA allegedly resides and kibble where bad boys go... -
Rancid Little Hovels?
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Ebbsfleet X 4
DEBT
Sausage Rolls
f**k the ...
"God Botherer"
SENS event
Sugar Daddy
Horses
Agenda
Snake Oil Salesman
No other Option
next week/next ten days
48%
52%
MOU
Ace Bandit
Cake?
Wullie Bell (his name always makes me laugh, like "Door Bell" and "School Bell" he's actually got one for his...
Howdy pardners (You only get wan)
Ken McGeoch's "bid" (Dont't be greedy )
Kibble
Ayrshire
Rancid Little Hovels
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Even though thats two words and three dots we'll allow it
the list now:
Ebbsfleet
DEBT
Sausage Rolls
f**k the ...
"God Botherer" has often been used...
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Maybe if you could pay your season ticket by DD in monthly installments we'd have lots more season ticket holders?
You can!
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On your first point it isn't a question for me as I don't support it (CiC) But I would have thought that and have read here supporters of it say how important the content and wording of "Their" constitution will be. If that is the case then they will want to be pro-active and be part of writing their own agenda rather than saying "hey-ho, we haven't been actively involved at the front end shaping this so I guess everything else might as well be decided by A.N.other"
Isn't helping draft their own constitution the right way for members to "Get Involved"
Possibly, again there are areas of agreement here but if it isn't an option to be involved in the writing of it, surely that's more reason to he involved afterwards. It's easier to bring change from the inside than the out.
On your second point fwiw I didn't suggest, that you suggested it was pre written, that suggestion comes from the fact that apparently a draft constitution did the rounds at last weeks meeting (which by definition means it needed to be have been written pre any Individual member involvement and without consultation or sign off by the membership as they don't exist as yet)
If you get my suggestion
Highlighted point, funny... tbh
Rest of quote, "draft" being the operative word
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Shouldn't the emphasis (Strange that I should highlight this) be on getting the constitution right first time? Then having a great PR tool to recruit/involve more fans/community groups to the fold? rather than "If we don't like what we see, we can pull out"
And the one way to make sure the constitution as you say is not "detrimental to the club" is to get all the stakeholders involved in writing it!
If as is suggested it's pre-written constitution by a pre-determined exec board and their pre-determined community groups what has the ordinary fan/individual member got to hang his/her (Pre-determined) hat on?
Possibly but we don't live in an ideal world and not everything happens the way that we would ideally want them to. The choice then is do I turn my back on everything that I am not happy with, criticise it and talk about how back-to-front it is, or do I actively choose to get involved, to be a part of what happens on the inside and influence change? For me that's a no-brainer. If it involves the club that I love, the town that I love and the line of work that I love, I will choose to get involved and be a catalyst for change and not a dissenting voice, achieving nothing other than to piss people off.
Also, FWIW, I didn't suggest that it was pre-written, I suggested that it matters neither whether it is or isn't.
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Did you help draft the constitution?
No, but that makes absolutely no difference. The CiC doesn't exist without us. If we don't like what we see, we can pull out, this applies to everyone: corporate, community and individual. If that happens the thing falls flat on its face and fails. It isn't in the interest of the CiC to fail and so there should be nothing in the constitution that will be detrimental to the club.
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GD for you mate, all good points and the least that can be expected.
I do still wonder what people want to hear from 10khrs... If it is, as I suspect, at a sensitive point and and news might jeopardise the deal then it's understandable that they can't say. However, I feel that even being told that from official channels would suffice for most.