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1 hour ago, Rascal said:
I take it you are not suggesting that someone start a Bring Back Tommy Craig thread?
He had a much better record than Robinson anyway
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On 4/23/2022 at 9:25 PM, munoz said:
He deserves a shot with his own signings unless we get relegated.
We stay up- till Christmas, down - away please.
This is the correct answer. My only caveat would be is if staying up meant beating Arbroath on penalties in the play off or something, I'm not sure i'd give him till Christmas the season after, Halloween maybe. Tenth or higher and he should get to Christmas.
There is almost zero chance he will be sacked with two or three games to go.
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1 hour ago, andrew87 said:
You have to wonder what conversation Robinson had with the board about the current squad and his expectations for the rest of this season before he got the job. Given our position at that point I find it hard to believe he would have said they weren’t good enough and he’d have to overhaul the squad.
Obviously I want Robinson to succeed as it means Saints are succeeding and part of me feels he should be given time to build his own team but another part of me is very sceptical about his ability to put together a decent team.He's on record in his interview at the start saying he wanted top six and Europe and we had a good squad of players. Hard to imagine him saying any different in his interview. Can't believe he said
' I know you're in the top six and unbeaten in 2022, but the team's pish'
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10 hours ago, Rascal said:
Time will tell. You could well be right but the board will have to hold its collective nerve. That is for sure. The outpouring of wrath in his direction is higher than at any time with any manager I can recall other than Stubbs. I hope he proves the doubters wrong for all the right reasons but it will be a rocky road.
Yeah i thought Ian Murray was a good appointment too. With Murray and now Robinson, it became clear quite early on that it wasn't going to work out. I think Robinson may have done well coming into a struggling team who needed a rocket up their arse. But we weren't struggling, we didn't need any rockets or upheaval. Robinson brought the fireworks anyway, pissed the team off, and here we are. Fourth on PPG in February and looking like we are going to be 11th in May.
It's interesting watching his interviews change as things have got progressively worse. His first few interviews were all 'good squad of players, we are aiming for top six, europe etc' Perfectly reasonable quotes given the situation inherited. Then we start losing and it's 'I always knew we were in a relegation battle but we have the players to get us out it'. Then the losses keep coming and it's 'only 14 fit players (which is a lie)' and implying the squad isn't good enough. m
You can tell by his recent quotes that he thinks relegation is very much on, and he's now trying to protect his reputation by claiming it's actually not his fault and we were going down regardless of his appointment. No one with eyes is buying it of course, it's pretty much all his fault. He knows he'll be sacked if he takes us down and he's now thinking of his future employment prospects in his interviews. Terry Butchers managerial career effectively ended when he took Hibs down in 2014. What Robinson is doing to us is much worse, and you can hear the fear in his voice,.
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On 4/23/2022 at 7:53 PM, Ronnie said:
Having never saw us win at Pittodrie I'm pretty sure the only victory I can remember at McDiarmid was when Roy Aitken was playing so surely perfect time for a victory up there right???
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The last time we won at McDiarmid was 2014 when Tommy Craig was in charge, goals from Adam Drury and Jason Naismith.
I'll say the same thing i said before the recent Motherwell game, Rangers game and Hibs game: I fully expect yet another defeat, because our players aren't trying. I would be surprised if we got another point this season.
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Gogic has already came out and said he's moving back to Cyprus in the summer as he wants to bring up his young family there.
Can't really blame a Cypriot for choosing Paphos over Paisley i suppose.
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The Renfrewshire team in that league also had a great season, The Burgh is going up
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He's going to be in charge for the next five (or seven😬) games no matter what, so we just need to hope he can get some kind of positive reaction from the players. Not much evidence it will happen, the only thing he's done so far is made the team play much worse.
If he does keep us up I think he might end up building a decent squad in the summer and he might still turn out fine. To get that chance he just needs to keep us in 10th or higher. If he somehow manages to relegate us then he'll simply have to go.
Saturday is key. If we win we will go above Hibs and one of Aberdeen or Livi, we will end the day 8th and the season is effectively over. A draw would be a decent enough result, particularly if St Johnstone don't win in Dundee. An eighth loss in nine games is the not unrealistic nightmare scenario, if that happens it's going to get even more toxic than it already is, and then to Perth...
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Can't be signing anyone else until we know what league we are going to be in.
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Decent player, decent coach. Will he be any good as a COO? Who knows, completely different set of skills.
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Why hasn't he or she been appointed yet? We knew Tony was retiring in January, in an ideal world his replacement would have been announced before he left and there would have been some overlap to allow for an orderly transition. Not only did that not happen, it's now two weeks since Tony left and the club is going through a vital time both on and off the pitch with this key role being vacant.
Why?
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Currently second choice for Ipswich in league 1.
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Yeah think he will be back up the road in the summer. Hasn't worked out for him at Wigan at all. Was an unused sub against Lincoln then not even on the bench against Burton last night. Has been playing for their u23's in the meantime so i assume he's not injured.
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1 hour ago, portmahomack saint said:
WRONG
They'll very likely only need one more win from their last 3 games to catch us and drop us in the playoff as long as they don't get battered in the other 2 games and that won't happen with their tails up.... do the Maths TC
Well yeah wins from elsewhere could mean just one win from elsewhere if they beat us. Doesn't change the fact that them failing to beat dundee next week would be a very, very good result for us.
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11 hours ago, ALBIONSAINT said:
I left just after the third goal and their were plenty of saints fans leaving along with me. I haven’t left a game in a long time, possibly during Stubbs reign.
Yeah first time i've left early for years too. Seeing Tait making absolutely no effort to press Wright ahead of their fourth goal was enough for me.
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18 hours ago, HSS said:
Here’s a picture taken in the 2nd half
Clouds are rolling in, literally and metaphorically. No surprise to see the fans voting with their feet.
In reality there is almost zero chance Robinson is sacked before the end of the season. What will happen is if we finish 10th or above he will get to Christmas. If we get relegated he will surely be sacked. If we finish 11th and win the playoff i'm not so sure, probably gets the summer and see how we start.
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13 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:
Only if we take something from Hibs
If the beat us next game were in the Tom Tit
We are anyway, them losing to Dundee means even if they beat us at McDiarmid they are still three points behind with three games to go. We could lose all five games and finish 10th unless St Johnstone get wins from elsewhere.
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Relegation battle, here we go. Win this and we are surely safe, a draw wouldn't be that bad outcome actually. Would be 25% of the way to the four points i think we need and It will mean St Johnstone couldn't get above us the following week. Another loss? Oh my.
Three games against Hibs this season, two draws and a win. Not sure how much that means given we are completely different team under the new manager, but at least they haven't beaten us yet i guess. Hibs are in rubbish form too, although not as bad as us. They haven't won in their last six league games and they have a game at Hampden this weekend, while we have our feet up.
I just hope our players try, which will be a huge improvement on the last two games. Sadly i think the team looks gone and i fear our Premiership status may shortly follow.
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4 minutes ago, faraway saint said:
Hibs - draw
St Johnstone - loss
Dundee - draw
Livi - loss
Aberdeen - suicide watch.
I'd be very surprised if we went to Pittodrie on the last day safe from 11th, there's likely going to be something riding on that game. Would anyone be surprised if it was Jim's Aberdeen who consigned us to the playoffs?
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Just now, stlucifer said:
I don't know how we'll do as Robinson sounded like he was trying to build bridges after the the rangers game but I do think Dundee have enough to beat Saintees.
Yeah could win all five and finish seventh with more points than last season, probably won't though.
Having sat through the last two games where we conceded eight goals and could quite easily have conceded eight more, it's difficult to find any optimism going into the split. The players don't look the least bit arsed. We could actually lose every game and still stay up of course, thanks to the amount of points put on the board by the previous manager.
It's all going to depend on the Saintees, Dundee beating them would be great news for us.
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I think St Johnstone will beat Dundee and us, and i think we will lose against Hibs.
I predict we will be 11th by 5pm on the 30th April.
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We will get humped.
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And i'm not sure about the second half.
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1 hour ago, SuperSaints1877 said:
I wish SMiSA members had been asked to submit votes on the introduction of this technology.
Personally I’m against it.
I’d like to see goal line technology introduced first followed by professional referees. I would like to see those referees miked up to the stadium PA to explain certain decisions or being interviewed after games to explain decisions.
Professional referees is up to the clubs. If they want to pay for it they'll have it, 'twas ever thus.
I am all for VAR incidentally.
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13 hours ago, Wilbur said:
Since Robinson took over the results haven't been going our way but we've been playing decently in spells. Under Stubbs short spell in charge we were utterly shite, aimless, clueless, hopeless, and showed no signs of improvement or encouragement. Sacking him was absolutely the right thing to do at the time. IMO Robinson has done enough to have convinced me that he deserves more time to fix things.
I am not calling for him to be sacked, but you must be watching a different team from me, what spells do you think we have been decent under Robinson? The only half of football i think we've played well in since his arrival was the first half against Dundee Utd, and we still went on to deservedly lose the game.
Stubbs had eight games in charge, won two (including a 6-0 home win to Championship Dumbarton) drew two and lost six. Against top flight teams his record was played six, won one, drawn one (at Rugby Park), lost four. He then got sacked. Robinson has played seven lost six, and we have Rangers at the weekend, so even if we disregard Stubbs games against lower league teams his record was still better than Robbo's when he got emptied.
The new manager has taken a team that was in a fantastic position to make top six to a relegation battle in a few weeks. It's been an absolutely remarkable decline, and i think there's a very realistic chance he will relegate us. Would you keep him then?
How much longer do we give the manager
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Yeah these runs aren't the same though, this run is much, much worse. In this famous 11 game winless run we drew six and lost five games, a bad run certainly, but it's not the losing every week run we have now. That's the results there, four of the games against teams in the top three. Drawing games against Livi (who scored a late equaliser) Saintees, Hibs and County is not great, but it's better than losing them, which is what we do now. I'd argue the Celtic and Motherwell games were two of the best performances of the season. Even when we weren't playing well, we were always in games and digging out valuable points. And of course the run was book ended by fantastic winning form before and after, which is why we were 4th on PPG and in the quarter final of the cup the day Jim left.
Losing at Pittodrie is nothing new and certainly not unexpected, the scoreline was a bad one but it did flatter them. The real stinker was Dundee, and that was an undeniably bad performance. They got an early goal from nothing then sat back, and we couldn't get through. Incidentally those two defeats were the only games we lost to teams outside the top three in all competitions all season, till Robinson arrived. Since then he's played five games against teams outside the top three and lost four of them!