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2 minutes ago, stlucifer said:
We were in 6th place until the last minute v Hamilton. Goal difference wouldn't have mattered if we hadn't capitulated so I don't get why you even mentioned it. Oh. Wait a minute. Of course I do. Your trying to put a positive spin on a very negative result.
It's one game, a draw away at Accies was hardly a surprise, and certainly not the worst of the season. If we had got one more point in any games across the 32 before that we would have finished 6th too.
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3 hours ago, stlucifer said:
I quite clearly Didn't say it was some kind of failure. Just not the sort of success that would cause the wow factor from a truly massive club that the sheep seem to think themselves. Saintees only finished above us BECAUSE we failed to win against the weakest team in the league and, in the other semi against Livi, we played as if for a draw. It was a dreadful performance. But you dress it up as you see fit.
They finished above us due to having a better goal difference over the course of the season. The game against Livi was the same as all our games against Livi have been in the last three years, same as the one on Saturday, same as the one we won earlier in the season. Nothing in them and decided by one goal either way. Would have it been better if we got knocked out earlier?
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Will almost certainly be our new manager. Welcome Stephen!
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1 hour ago, The Original 59er said:
Sorry, don't see your logic there?
I have supported Saints through thick and thin from 1959, yes the year of our Cup success.
In these days crowds of 12 to 15,000 were regular and a quiet day was around 8,000. On OF visits it was packed to the rafters with 20,000+ numbers.
Throughout the 70's and 80's we all saw reduction in our support other than the terrible twins and even in Fergie's days we flirted with crowds of 6 to 10,000 but never regular repeats of the late 50's early 60's.
So we then entered our real doldrum days of crowds of 2,500 to 3,500 and some longish periods in the second tier of Scottish football. From that period we have never really recovered and now here we are in the next century and we had less than 4,000 at our cup game and just over that for the previous league game.
If we filled our stadium with 10,000 people each time we played, I would agree with you, but the reality of Scottish football, (and it is endemic) that you have to fight really hard to get above 6,000 unless you are the OF, Hearts, Hibs or Aberdeen.
Hence you build a stadium to meet your projected requirements. We can fill in the corners if we ever get to a point that might match your hoped for aspirations.
No club gets what they got in the 1950's. Been a huge societal change since then, there's alot more to do on a Saturday now
We have a core home support of around 3,000. If we are doing well it goes up to around 4,000, going badly it goes down to about 2,000. For big games (cup finals etc) we can get up to another 10,000. That's been fairly constant for around 30 years now, and won't change much going forward.
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1 hour ago, stlucifer said:
While I appreciated the uneventfulness of last season's end and believe we had a relatively successful year, I would suggest that Jim's team bottled the big occasions. Two semi finals against neither big clubs and failure to secure a top six finish against the weakest team in the league. If there ever was a definition of the "nearly man" that was it. If Aberdeen truly think themselves a massive club then it's those facts that make me surprised they chose JG.
I don't think we bottled them at all, both Livingston and St Johnstone finished above us in the league and they were favourites going into both games. Can you bottle a game in which you are the underdog? Had we been knocked out by Aberdeen, Killie or Rangers in the earlier rounds of those cups (we beat all of them) would you accuse the team of bottling?
We missed out on top six due to our COVID issues and cup runs forcing us to play about 10 games in four weeks. Understandably the team fatigued, and even then we just missed out on goal difference. Still, even with all these off field issues going against us, we still secured our highest finish for over 30 years. The fact that some fans seem to want to paint our best finish in a generation as some kind of failure is pretty bizarre, but here we are.
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10 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:
I'm still surprised he did... other than More Money the rest could have been achieved with us. Jim jumped at the first opportunity as his stock was high it's as simple as that, wasn't long ago it wasn't looking too great for him.
I honestly think the potential of St Mirren is nowhere near where it could be, We have a large catchment area I believe we should be promoting ourselves as the alternative to the arse cheeks in the West of Scotland, our club easily has the potential to be a top 6 regular and we can start by stop talking us down when it comes to clubs like Hib's and Aberdeen
Alex Ferguson said:
East Stirling could never have been a St Mirren, St Mirren could never have been an Aberdeen and Aberdeen could never have been a Man United. That's why he moved on each time.
It was true in the 80's and it's still true now. Every club has a ceiling, and Aberdeen's is higher than ours.
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21 hours ago, stlucifer said:
At the end of the day Jim did what most managers would do. No more, no less. My surprise is not that he went. It was that the sheep offered him a chance to do so. Given they had to part with, allegedly, near the 400,000 mark for our management team, I can't understand why they appeared to have made their decision on this year's results. Up until the break we couldn't buy a win and since we've come back, though the results have been encouraging, some of the performances have been less than good.
Moving forward, it's important to get a manger who can utilise the personnel we have which is a really good crop of players who could play well on the front foot.
I'm sure any good manager looking at us would see the potential of this squad and the batch of really promising youngsters.
Well i imagine it wasn't on this years results. Jim took over us in 11th, finished 9th in his first season, 7th in his second and left us in 4th based on PPG. He's improved us every year he's been here and he did the same with Alloa. Good and bad runs happen, but the long term trajectory of clubs managed by Jim Goodwin is always upwards and that's why Aberdeen appointed him.
He was the comfortably the best Saints manager in my lifetime,, it should be a surprise to no one that a bigger club has taken him on. He's moved on and so must we.
End of an era and end of thread
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11 hours ago, pod said:
TopCat will be happy.
Delighted, bullet dodged and the fraud remains out of work having been chased out his last two clubs.
Now let's get a proper manager in and never speak of Jack Ross again.
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3 minutes ago, munoz said:
Its honestly not. Leftfield suggestion.
Yeah a decent shout, think he is settled in Australia though. But he is a club legend who has decent managerial experience with Perth Glory.
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4 minutes ago, pod said:
St Mirren approach Paul Lambert for manager's job after Stoke exit | Football News | Sky Sport.
At least once and in my book, that's once to many.
Fair enough, i missed that. He did go onto manage Ipswich after that so can understand why he turned it down. He's been out of work for a year now, and we are in a much better place, so i think he would be more open to an approach. Should at least ask!
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25 minutes ago, portmahomack saint said:
Please 🙈 don't start with Paul Lambert stuff again he's knocked us back umpteen times
Has he? When?
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23 minutes ago, portmahomack saint said:
In the meantime if he leaves there's 2 obvious candidates for me Jack Ross and Derek Mcinnes I expect one to take charge immediately it's a no brainer
Can't see us paying Killie compo for McInnes just a few weeks after he joined them. I'm hoping for Paul Lambert.
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1 hour ago, lenziebud said:
Wonder if he would have been in the running 7 games back ??
No, and that's kind of the reason he should be taking it. He might not be in the running in seven games time either. Managerial stocks fall and rise very quickly. It seemed to be a question of what bigger club Callum Davidson would be moving to in the summer, now he looks like he could be sacked by St Johnstone. None of our previous managers are currently managing at full time level and Jim is always a bad run away from being out a job. He may never get a chance to manage a bigger club like Aberdeen again, so no one can blame him for taking it.
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2 hours ago, fmckinn said:
I am more concerned what the impact will be on the players out of contract at the end of the season. How many would follow Goody if he leaves to Aberdeen
Are many out of contract? Off the top of my head it's just Alnwick who will be away regardless of who the manager is. and Tanser, who has an option of another year. The three loanees will be away regardless of who the manager is too.
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The way people go on about the three at the back you'd think we were sitting cut adrift at the bottom of the league at Christmas, we weren't of course. The lowest we went was 9th, which had we finished there would have been the third highest finish the club's had since the 80's. Not quite the 'shambles' some would have us believe. We also won three top flight games in a row using that system, something we hadn't managed since Gus and indeed haven't managed since.
The main contributors to the winless run were injuries, yet more COVID issues and a bit of bad luck. There were several decent results and performances in there too, in fact i still think the best football we have played all season was the 2-2 draw at Fir Park in October. The stats for that game were something else:
With performances like that the wins would have came anyway, but no manager should be wedded to any system and Jim isn't. If/when we go on a bad run he will change the system again, which is what any good manager should do.
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Three seasons under JG & LS, three Scottish Cup Quarter Finals in a row
To put that run into context, in the six years before he arrived we made the one national cup quarter final out of twelve.
On the Aberdeen link, it's obviously up to Jim and if he does get offered the job you can hardly begrudge him taking it and the big pay rise that will come with it. Many Saints fans have called for his head on here and other platforms at various points in his two and a half season in charge, and we are a bad run away from that happening again. It's the most precarious of jobs and maximising your earning while your stock is high has to be on his mind. He could turn this down, get sacked by us in October after a bad end to this/start to next season, and never get a similar sized opportunity again.
If i was him i would look at McInnes and turn it down though. He went up there and was a success. Got them as high second and never finished outside the top four, won a cup and consistently got them into the business end of tournaments and got some decent results in Europe. He couldn't have done any more, and Jim won't do any more. Derek still got chased out the door, and then he had to go into The Scottish Championship to get back into football. It's an absolute poison chalice up there and you're dealing with a deluded fan base that is stuck in the 80's, you could be a relative success and they'll still hate you and want you sacked.
If i was Jim I'd hold out for a shot in England, which will surely come in the summer if he gets us top six.
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1 hour ago, djchapsticks said:
18 months isn't a long time. I'd be sticking another year or two extension under his nose in the hopes he signs it.
Agree i think we should move quick, i'd offer i'm an extra year tomorrow. If your his agent would you advise him to sign it though? Not sure i would.
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We are one of the form teams in the country, only Celtic have more points than us in the last six games. Only the two bigot clubs have lost less games than us this season.
Just one defeat in nine games and five wins out of six in 2022. We are sitting pretty in sixth spot with a game in hand on fourth, fifth, seventh and eighth. We are just one point off fourth and a European spot and we are as close to third as eleventh.. We are all but assured of top flight safety in February, for the second year running, it's now just a question of high we can finish.
Our next three games are Kelty, Livingston and Dundee. What a chance to extend the fine form further and put ourselves in a great position to finally finish top six. If we manage that fourth will be very achievable. What a time to be a Saints fan.
Jim Goodwin and Lee Sharp everyone
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Someone edit his name to the correct spelling in the thread title fs 😅
Anyway looks like yet another fantastic signing
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Surprised if we signed anyone now. It was 3-4 weeks so he should be back for the end of the month, and Greive has shown himself to be an able replacement.
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Griffiths signs for league 1 Falkirk. Thank goodness we steered well clear of that huddy.
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37 minutes ago, elvis said:
I am hoping for 12 but there's not a chance in hell that's happening .Think Goodwin has made a right c**t of this transfer window it's going to be like watching Scotlands 1.4.6. I genuinely think we are in big trouble we will be in bottom 2of that I have no doubt.
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Thought you'd been quiet recently, since we won three in a row. Soon as we (shock horror) draw a game you're back with your doom prophecies. Never change elvis
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50 minutes ago, LargsBud said:
I'd rather we took a punt on a player with issues but who we know is a proven goalscorer with genuine quality, than we go down the route of journeymen like Erwin or Main again.
He hasn't had a good season for years. He has one goal from open play this season for Dundee in 17 appearances, that's a shocking return. He's completely finished at this level and it's no surprise he's been linked with Queens Park, he'll end up somewhere like that. No team in the Premiership will go near him.
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Griffiths has been terrible for Dundee this season. He's clearly not fit and has alot of off field issues. I hope (and think we will) stay well away from him.
Stephen Robinson
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God bless the boo boys
Motherwell never sacked him, he resigned. Motherwell fans almost universally speak highly of them, finished third and got them to two cup finals. He's been doing pretty well at Morecambe, they are the smallest club in that league and still in with a good shout of survival. Having a read of their forum he seems to have the backing of their support.
Knows the league and is a proven success in it. Has good managerial experience and a lot of contacts down south. Looks like a fantastic appointment to me!