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50 minutes ago, faraway saint said:
So, the new manager, with 7 league games and one point, has NO responsibility for where we are?
Correct
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1 hour ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:
What makes you think the board should have backed Stubbs against the existing squad? The existing squad were probably over-achievers, man for man they weren't the best squad in the Championship but as a team they did the business and were one of the first teams in the UK to win their league and gain promotion.
The contrast between how Jack Ross handled a squad player like Stelios and generally got the best out of him, or how Harry Davis, Gary MacKenzie and Jack Baird were used throughout the season is a complete contrast to how Stubbs dealt with the existing players. He might well have been correct that some of them would not be good enough to take us to the next level, but he obviously alienated 50% of the players he inherited almost as soon as he arrived... which would be fine if he had moved them all on and brought in better replacements. Instead it ended up being a perfect storm. Stuck with a chunk of the squad he doesn't rate, where there is a sour relationship between them and him and his coach, and making a pig's ear of the transfer window where mediocre signings like Hodson and Edwards look miles better than the bulk of his punts from the English youth academies. About the only existing player who has still looked quite upbeat this season has been Samson. Stubbs' signings don't / didn't look happy at the club and most of the existing squad have gone backwards this season.
I happen to think Stephen McGinn called it correctly when he spoke out about Stubbs' signing policy, and despite Cammy Smith having a lot to prove at this level to consider selling him while persisting with Nicolai Brock-Madsen and having Cody Cooke and Jeff King as back up attacking options should we fail to sign 38 year old Kenny Miller on a 2 year deal was madness personified. Cannae complete the deal with Kenny Miller? OK then we'll take Ryan Edwards instead.
Spot on with this. Just unbelievable that Jack Ross is getting any blame for the shambles that Stubbs created.
Ross's team was a better side than Livingston and look where they are. Ross was capable of adding to that team and keeping us up, no doubt about it.
If Ross had stayed I have a feeling Reilly and Davis may have done too. I suspect both player knew Jack Ross was off.
Stubbs destroyed everything about the team that Ross has built and Oran Kearney has been left the disgrace of his managerial rein.
The one person wholly responsible for where this club is at the moment is Stubbs full stop and a board that were stupid enough to appoint him.
I have been supporting St Mirren for over 50 years and Stubbs without a shadow of a doubt is the worst appointment we have ever made and there have been some really bad one's along the way !!
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3 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
Thats just bluster and guesswork, Ross signed forty players and not one of those remaining has shown yet they are capable of playing at this level. Yes Stubbs signed too much inexperience, but Willock, Hodson and Edwards are regulars with Heaton & Cooke appearing in the squad.
The point there is, what you and others including Stephen McGinn are missing is these guys are St Mirren players and the ad nauseam slagging off they get every minute is doing what actually to support them? People kerp slagging these guys off, then wonder why they dont seem motivated? Ffs they are all St Mirren players until the day they are not!
Sorry mate but I've lost the will to live, i'm out
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9 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
Really...?
Jack Ross signed FORTY players so as Delia says 'Lets be 'avin them'
point is our current problems didnt start the day Stubbs walked in the door any more than they did with Oran.
Oh yes they did. They started immediately Alan Stubbs walked in the door at St Mirren.
There is no doub't we would have had a tough time in the Premiership under JR but he would never have brought in the junk that Stubbs brought nor have come close to the man management levels of Stubbs.
A lot of people getting carried away last season including a CEO.
Under JR I think we would have the Jackson, Ferdinand type recruitment and JR also had the personality to attract players.
There is no comparison between Jack Ross and Alan Stubbs.
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17 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
Can you name the star performers thus far that Ross left Stubbs & Oran..?
Isnt this the crux of the matter?
Stubbs signed 11 players, all failures IMO, hardly Jack Ross's fault !
Oran Kearney has signed 3, 2 of which are of standard and another in Hamill who is, but is underperforming due to an attitude problem that has followed him throught his career.
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“Now it’s Oran (Kearney). It’s his players now and he has to get on with it and try and get results out of them."
Bet Oran's delighted with what you left Alan !. Thanks a bunch !
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12 minutes ago, Mr Optimistic said:
I agree that Kearney has to be given time but what needs to happen in your mind for it to be 'a total shambles' because that is exactly how I would describe last nights performance. 1 point from 33...1 point from 36...1 point from 39....1 point from 42........???
Here is my prediction. When the January window opens it will be 1 point from SIXTY!!!!!! That, sadly, is how bad I think we are. Looking at our fixtures (there are 7 games in 29 days in December!!) apart from maybe Dundee (and it's a big maybe) I do not see where a point is coming from never mind 3!
Feel sorry for all the fans who went out and bought a record amount of season tickets with their hard earned cash only to be shat on from a great height by the Stubbs appointment and his subsequent disastrous, ridiculous signings!!!
A Championship win, the Morgan money, the bonus Mcginn money, the feelgood factor, the bond between fans and players....all completely blown out the water. It's excruciating to watch what has and is happening to our club.
I couldn't agree more but I can't see how this can be landed at Oran Kearney's door.
He hasn't a hope in hell of turning it round at the moment.
He is about to take all the venom thrown at him that Stubbs should have got.
McIntrye who I rate highly as a coach is struggling so far too. Not his fault at all just what he has to work with.
With McIntrye at RC and JR at SMFC with their great escapes it wasn't until Feb time that things started to click so Kearney 100% needs the time.
Why we never appointed Jim McIntrye in the summer out of the 4 interviewed I'll never know.
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2 hours ago, DougJamie said:
I get this also but at some point we have to stop getting shot of managers, we are the joke of Scottish Football ( trust me I am getting it at work)
Look at the Jags, top 6, then relegated , now 1 point above relegation PO and there is a chance they will go down, sack AA bring in Calderwood like OK, McIntyre and McKinnon winless.
Look at the teams we want to aspire to
Fakes , Well, even Livi, consistency is the key. Geez look at Killie, does anyone every think that Clarke would have considered coming here ? Eh no.
I am not saying Oran is the answer, but as long as we keep knee jerking we will never progress.
2003-2014 we had two managers, one B&Q, One League title one League Cup and 9 years in the top flight, wasnt spectacular but effective.
2014 -Present 7 managers- One relegation, one great escape not to be relegated, no cups, ............... and of course one promotion
If this club wants to be fan owned its has to have solid foundations, financially and off and on park. Only that way ( Mr Fitzpatrick!!!.) Can we expect to build and progress.
I agree. I think we need to give Oran Kearney the chance he deserves. I personally am a long way from judging him as I think he has been left an utter shambles. I think the club is in an utter mess at the moment. A lot of it is down to what Jack Ross built and what we lost when he left.
Unless it becomes a total shambles I think we should give Kearney the rest of this season and go with him next season even if relegated.
I like Kearney and I think he comes across well, I also have a feeling he knows what he's doing but what he has to work with currently is a disaster, with a team that would be lucky to be mid table Championship. He's recruitment so far has been decent with just out of contract players. He hasn't even had a window. He'll have a difficult time in the window also recruiting player to SMFC and getting rid of Stubbs junk who nobody will want.
So I think we need to cut Kearney a good bit of slack !
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15 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
Turning that around, and given they didnt fancy him at the first time of asking! Have they done their homework on Oran? Just to add I never said his appointment was a stupid decision. Hiring, bigging up, then firing Stubbs in such an embarrassing timeframe... theres two feckin howlers right there!
if Hamilton get a result on Saturday and outpr game goes to form we will be at least three positive results behind the nearest team. Lose or draw at Dundee and that will become four, or five positive results behind safety.
I think they were impressed with Kearney first time round but got dazzled with Stubbs's cup win and his time at Everton's academy !. He had never managed in the Premiership, failed completely to get Hibs out of Championship or even to a play-off final and was a disaster at Rotherham. Interesting that Everton never gave us ONE player from their academy.
Kearney has a recommendation from Michael O'Neil whom SMFC courted initially and had also achieved quite a bit at Coleraine so was ripe for a move to a higher level.
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8 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
Personally i dont think it will come to sacking Oran between now and end of season as i believe the board are now paralysed by their stupid decisions, and will be shit scared to make another big one, even if its the right one!
judging by his character, honesty and general behaviour I think Oran will walk! If it goes spectacularly bad on Saturday say 0-6 or above, if Dundee do us, but more likely between now and end December if there isnt a win. I think taking into account his family and lifestyle in Coleraine he might think "well i gave it a go, but it just wasn't me".
I think we are long way form saying that Oran Kearney was a stupid decision.
Alan Stubbs was and if the board had done their homework on him we currently wouldn't be in the position we currently find ourselves.
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11 minutes ago, billyg said:
He/they may know the standard , but are they able to organise what they have at their immediate disposal ? Can you honestly see us getting a couple of wins before January ? I can't !
I agree. I cant see how any combination of this current squad is going to get a couple of wins before Xmas but having said that we put in passable performances against Hibs and Killie at home. Last night was a disgrace from start to finish.
I think Kearney is desperately trying to find a combination of the squad and formation that will buy him time to Jan but I don't think he's found it so far and won't !
Also assessing whole squad not just in training but in competitive matches in order to determine who to shift in Jan.
Jan is massive for us and best I can see is getting is 11th, I think Dundee will improve under McIntyre and pull away from us.
Having said that I didn't think much of Motherwell last night either and wouldn't rule them out of a relegation battle also.
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10 hours ago, DougJamie said:
No. I dont. However its a window not the parting of the Red sea
Thats what is going to take to turn this squad round. Similar to what Jack Ross did when he came in.
Kearney has brought in Jackson and Ferdinand who are both big improvements on what Stubbs ever brought. Hammill hasnt cut it so far.
ALL of Stubbs signings have been a total disaster and we are paying a heavy price for it.
Stubbs was an umitigated disaster of an appointment in every aspect of football management,
Kearney knows the standard required as does Gus and if appointed Jimmy Nichol, so we need to somehow get a couple of wins before Jan, stay in touch and see what we can do in Jan.
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57 minutes ago, faraway saint said:
I've done similar before, that split fecks me up every time.
34 games to save us.....................impossible task?
So, we sack Stubbs, we say "It's ok OK, we're going down, no problem"
With the current squad, yes impossible task IMO.
Needs huge backing in January to build a squad capable of staying up
If he gets that backing then we can judge Kearney properly.
At the moment he has been left a mess.
Problem is if we go down is Kearney the man to take us up again. Not sure on that one ?
Personally wouldn't have appointed Kearney, I think Dundee have made the right appointment.
At the moment I think we look certainties for the drop but there is plenty of time to change that.
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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:
I think the reality of January will be that our skillful players Anton, Hammill, Jackson, Magennis will be off, rather than drop to the championship.
What you mean is that's your hope. No doubt you'll be wanting Stubbs back in January too.
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1 minute ago, munoz said:
Hooliganism/Casuals were rife in the 70s and 80s. More often than not this had nothing to do with drink , I think it was more to do with a culture of young men wanting to batter each other.
We're now 30 years on from then, where trouble inside grounds is nearly non existent.
I hope your kidding me that drink had nothing to do with lobbing bricks behind our goal in the 80s ?
So why introduce an element of potential risk to it now. More women and young kids of both sexes attending football than ever before. Great progress why introduce an element of risk for the sake of 90 minutes.
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1 minute ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:
I got the impression from one top Policeman on the news last night that he was far from keen.
Obviously not young enough
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3 minutes ago, DougJamie said:
Of course not. Scottish football exists to serve them
I take it you missed the Hibs games in the 80s when they left the ground 10 minutes early to lob the biggest bricks into the standing area behind the goal at Love Street end.
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Its going to happen anyway whether we like it or not. Just a matter of time.
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1 minute ago, DougJamie said:
We are all thinking the same. Its not really a problem for 40 clubs is it. But when 2 certain clubs meet with drink fuelled hatred its just another setback. So yes for me with exception of ugly sisters.
Are you serious.
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The populist answer is to say yes the sensible answer is without doubt no
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2 hours ago, MenstrieSaint said:
First of all think those that appointed Stubbs never done their homework and have to take responsibility .
That said I thought the idea of going for lower league players was a good one , but looking at Falkirk , Dundee and ourselves that doesn't seem to be the case , Some agent must have made a fortune fixing up deals for duds .
OK seems a great appointment , and the signings of Ferdinand Hammell and Jackson have been excellent , when these guys get match fit , and Magennis Eckersley and McKenzie are available for selection , I think we could rise to the top of the diddy league .
With regards to Jack Baird , he,s benefitted massively from having big Anton next to him , hope the big man's not too badly injured.
100% correct. That was exactly the problem with the Stubbs appointment and the board have to take responsibility for it. I think on the plus side they acted really quickly and did the right thing, so for that they deserve praise.
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7 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:
Have you read Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow ?
One day, looks a bit intense
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1 minute ago, faraway saint said:
Why the "leap" to obvious mental health issues?
I don't buy the idea that any bad behaviour can be almost excused as having mental health issues.
Quite simply he comes across as an old racist cnut,
The incident is widely reported as starting because the lady took quite some time to move as she has arthritis, resulting in the old cnut dishing out abuse.
As I've said,and I agree, very badly handled, lacing anyone to take any action or make a decision.
In fact the lady was asked to move, quite simply adding to her stress.
Just my gut feel viewing the incident but I agree with you on "any bad behaviour can be almost excused as having mental health issues"
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9 minutes ago, oaksoft said:
We can comment but we can't really be going around nailing our colours to the mast without seeing all the evidence.
Only dunces do that and you are not a dunce right?
As for your last sentence, I have no idea what would happen and neither do you. You are making assumptions and dressing them up as certainty. People who do that are part of the problem.
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I think we will lose this match. I'm expecting similar to Hamilton game.
We are a country mile short and I don't think Kearney has a hope in hell with this current squad.