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56 minutes ago, ITFCBlue said:
I take it Div is a source of reliable info around these parts? If you was to put on a scale, 1 being - Div has no clue to 10 being - Div knows his stuff and is always pretty much bang on, where would you put his latest info on the scale? (Ross being here possibly before the weekend)
Cheers.
1 definitely, at least when it comes to running football forums. The Sin Bin is his daft concept
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According to a number of press reports Jack Ross's second interview is today. He's not got the job yet. And the speculation is still that Paul Hurst is still first choice.
Its certainly much clearer now that Ross would take this job in a heartbeat and rightly so.
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5 hours ago, djchapsticks said:
You just can't help yourself when it comes to making things up. Not one piece of evidence have I ever seen provided that Jack was keen for Dundee talks to continue. In fact it came from the man's mouth himself at a Q&A that he made the decision to stay put.
As for Barnsley. The chain of events I remember was JR pulling out 2 days before their manager was revealed. No one was talking about Morais before this and certainly not for 2 days before Jack pulled out.
So much creative license and filling of knowledge gaps with supposition used here. Just like your claim that you KNOW St. Mirren had the second biggest budget in the league.
How much evidence have you seen that says Ross didnt want the talks to continue? You're just believing what you want to believe.
Fact is Neil McCann was always first choice at Dundee. Ross was interviewed and was keen. Whether he was playing Dundee off v St Mirren to get more money or ehether he genuinely wanted the Dundee job is open for speculation but Ross was still talking to Dundee when McCann changed his mind and got the job.
As for Barnsley Morais was shown on TV as being at that Wednesday game. You are looking pretty foolish
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38 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
have to agree with this, it's human nature . We're nothing if not a diverse (emotional) bunch.
I'm very much of the belief 'we'll know when we know.' but we have everyone from people that will be genuinely very upset if he goes to people that'll display downright anger that JR hasn't made a life changing decision in 45 seconds/ Ipswich are taking time over recruiting who they feel is the right person for the job.
Bottom line is regardless of what's going on, no one has the right to force JRs hand or make Ipswich hurry-up (Personally I think Stuart is right and it's Ipswich holding it up).
Us in agreement Stuart? Must be a full moon.
You should do it more often. Im usually right
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27 minutes ago, munoz said:
After he knocked Dundee back , don’t think MK Dons were interested and he pulled himself out of the running with the Barnsley job.
Dundee always wanted Neil McCann as manager. Jack Ross was involved in talks with them and was keen for the talks to continue, but McCann - who had previously declared himself out of the running - changed his mind and was given the job. MK Dons weren't interested. And at Barnsley Ross announced he was withdrawing from the race two days after Barnsley had offered the job to Jose Morais. Jack Ross will jump at the Ipswich job if offered it - but he's far from a shoe in. Ipswich are quite clearly very keen on at least one other name.
The guy is clearly ambitious and he's obviously keen to move. His stock is high at the moment, there's no guarantee that after a season struggling to keep St Mirren up, that there will be the same attention on him as there is now. There's going to be quite a few interesting jobs come up over the next few weeks and I'm sure Jack Ross will be keen to be linked with as many of them as possible too so fans better get used to it.
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1 hour ago, Cornwall_Saint said:
I did see the Gretna situation as a "first of its kind". That being said it could have just been my age, I was still of school age at the time so there was the lack of years of seeing things and lack of following the entire story. Most of what I know about Gretna and Airdrie/Clydebank are things I learned as I got older, not from their immediate happening.
I do however quite clearly remember the Ken McGeoch situation. We would have been the perfect target as we were in the SPL at the time. Thankfully we found out about this and got rid of the filthy c**t. The Third Division vote, while I disagreed with it, it almost certainly did save one club from being Scottish football's next Clydebank.
I do know of their decision to change from United to -onians, that's what got me wondering if they tried to claim their old history too. Just like the Sevvies, I treat them as a club with bugger all history. Liquidation is the end. If it wasn't, we'd all allow our clubs to overspend, try to gain quick success and re-incarnate ourselves with the old history. If Airdrieonians and Rangers were genuinely their old selves now, then what would be the point of living within your means.
Accrington Stanley, Grenta 2008, Clydebank and Third Lanark have all also reclaimed their old history, so, more locally to me, have Wishaw Juniors who have gone bust and been liquidated loads of times. They all acknowledge their liquidation, Accrington even call themselves the "club that refused to die". I think that's just a thing football clubs and there fans do. Rangers fans aren't that unusual but how everyone has treated them has been and that's really to the shame of our game. The "Armageddon" nonsense is a real stain on the sports history and it should never be forgotten that a number of people within the game tried so hard to suppress the integrity of the sport for personal financial gain.
If only all clubs had a Turnbull Hutton.
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35 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:
What makes you clearly think he wants the job ? Yes agree it could be life changing for Jack money wise. But was not Barnsley? MK Dons ? Dundee ? Though I think he would have went to Aberdeen if it had come up. There is a big difference in Jack in that he needs to believe he can take a club forward watch the interviews. I'm not a dreamer St Mirren is be all of course not for Jack. Ipswich is a good club but if their ambition is 2 million transfer kitty where money seems no object to other clubs Jack must how can I take Ipswich forward ? I'm quite hopfull he will stay now. He is a hugely patriotic his dream is to manage Scotland the way he talked up Scottish football I'm very, very hopfull he will stay Stu. You pretend not to be a Saints fan yet you post here daily we know you luv Saints
Aye see that's the thing about jobs. Just because you want it, doesn't mean you are going to get it. The employer generally gets to decide who they'd prefer to do the job and at Barnsley, MK Dons and Dundee - all three of those clubs decided they wanted someone other than Jack Ross to do it.
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36 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:
Thing is. If Ipswich dither and are waiting on someone else, Jack will almost certainly tell them he's staying put for the time being.
Doubt it. He clearly wants the job. If there's any chance of him getting it he'll be patient.
There's nothing stopping him from continuing his work in the meantime. I really do doubt that any signing targets he has at St Mirren would be the same names he's been looking for at Ipswich.
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31 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:
Do "New Airdrieonians" fans still claim the old Airdrieonians history? Genuine question, I have no idea what the answer is.
Of course the Sevvies would still claim the history. They are already claiming the history of a club that doesn't exist any more, I couldn't see them being any different if they bought out Cowdenbeath, Stirling Albion etc.
Yes they do. The club even scrapped their Airdrie United persona to go back to their historic name a few years ago.
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1 hour ago, Cornwall_Saint said:
I agree with everything you posted.
The part in bold really does my nut in. When Gretna went bust there was no allowing a new version to enter the leagues, they had to start in the EoS league. When Rangers 1872 died, the SPL clubs had to vote the Sevco version out of the league, as did the First Division. Clubs in the Third Division probably seen the potential of big gates and allowed entry to Sevco. Fact is, Sevco should have had to apply like Annan Athletic did when they wanted Gretna's place (to join in the Third Division). Chances are Sevco would have beaten the likes of Spartans to the Third Divison spot, but at least it would have followed proper procedure.
Hmm, that's not strictly speaking correct.
Gretna, in administration, were demoted to the Third Division by the SFL in an unprecedented move in 2008. The act of demoting the club meant the sole party that had been interested in buying the club from the administrators walked away. The administrators then put Raydale Park up for sale and resigned Gretna from the Scottish Football League. Two days later the SFL decided to elect Annan to replace Gretna. Gretna 2008 weren't formed until nearly a month later.
The SFL handling of the Gretna situation was particularly brutal especially when you consider the way they'd handled other clubs in administration both before and after the Gretna situation.
You're right that Sevco should have had to apply for their league position but the SFL opted instead to offer them the place in the Third Division after a vote to try to allow them direct access to Division One failed. You're also right that the SFL action probably saved another club from going under as it's obvious "Rangers" would have bought one of a number of clubs that were up for sale at that time. We know Ken McGeoch was booted off the St Mirren board at an EGM after it was alleged he'd been dealing with a couple of Rangers directors at the time. Perhaps had Rangers not been admitted to Division Three, St Mirren might have been their target.
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1 minute ago, Sweeper07 said:
Stastistics. lies and damn lies - then there are facts... who cares?
I don't think these are either statistics, lies or facts. A player is worth f**k all until they are sold and even then they've only got value if someone else is willing to pay for them. These valuations are at best dubious. After all the same website reckons St Mirren are sitting on 4.3m Euros of playing talent right now - John Sutton accounting for 225,000 Euros of that.
What is true is that the Championship is a higher level than the Scottish Premier League. Any manager going down there from Scotland would earn more money - and I'd include Stevie Gerrard and Brendan Rogers in that and Ipswich have players of better ability than St Mirren. I'm sure Jack Ross would bite their hand off if he was offered the job - but as I said before he doesn't look like their first choice to me.
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1 hour ago, St.Ricky said:
Looking on Line, Ipswich are a big club. Value of squad on Transfermarket is over 1bn. Stadium holds 30000.
Dunno what you are looking at Ricky but that website quotes the squad value at 22,55 Mill. €. Which is just under £20m.
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This is getting silly now! Honestly, on Facebook and on here the psychotic and schizophrenic nature of the St Mirren support has never been more in evidence.
You get minute by minute posts. "I love Jack Ross", "I think he's going", "Why hasn't he left yet!", "He must be staying", "that bastard clearly wants to go", "Sack Jack Ross and move on".
The reality is that if Ipswich Town had made up their mind that they wanted Jack Ross they wouldn't be giving him a second interview and leaving him waiting in limbo. He'd have been presented to the media and fans as the new Ipswich manager and St Mirren would be starting the hunt for a new boss. Ross is clearly on their shortlist, but he's absolutely not a shoe in and the longer this goes on the more it looks like Ipswich are stalling waiting on someone else.
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On 13/05/2018 at 9:37 PM, Wilbur said:
I watched about 70% of both of these play-off ties on BBC Alba.
No great desire to piss on anyone's chips here on B&WA but we, as St Mirren supporters, have nothing to feel cheerful about on that evidence.
The standard of football played by both sides was truly awful. Alloa's two St Mirren loanees will never reach the standard of player we will require in the premiership next season.
Kirkpatrick certainly has some skill but the best he will ever achieve would be bog-standard at Scottish championship level.
Ross Stewart is clumsy and hopeless. His goal today was a sclaff that ricocheted off a Dumbarton player and trundled past Gallagher.
If (as expected) we lose JR to Ipswich I would hope our BoD look further afield than Jim Goodwin for a replacement.
Dumbarton made St Mirren look pretty average a few times this season as well. I think it's just the anti-football they play.
I wasn't impressed with Alloa either but they got their result in the end. I'd agree with your assessment on Kirkpatrick and Stewart though. Stewart is dreadful. There was one point late in the second half where all he had to do was play a short four yard pass on the deck to a team mate. He actually hit him on the shoulder with it. Definitely one of Jack Ross's poorer signings.
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12 hours ago, beyond our ken said:
It depends completely on the resort you choose
Piuerto del Carmen is ok but has some less pleasant spots
It will be warm and windy
Please tell me you are not going next month
Please!Aye Puerto del Carman, that's where we're going. Are you really that worried about meeting me? I like a good malt whisky, but don't worry I wouldn't expect you to buy me drink for all those times you've been abusive towards me.
Anyway, no we're going later in the year.
The girlfriend booked a villa for our stay. I've no idea what part of Puerto del Carman its in - I'm just trusting her that it's not shite.
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As a kid we'd get the Babcock bus to either Blackpool (although we'd stay in St Annes) or to Scarborough. I've got lots of memories of both places. My girlfriend and I went to Scarborough a couple of weeks ago for a short break and its not changed much. Although the "grand" hotel is more like Gods Waiting Room these days.
Best holiday was to O'Ahu, Hawai'i to the Disney Resort in Ko olina. We had a couple of days break in San Francisco going out there as well. O'Ahu is as incredible as people make out. My favourite spot was in the north called Hale'iwa and more specifically Sharks Cove. It was s stunningly beautiful place to just watch the turtles eating the seaweed off the rocks we were standing on. The views from Diamond Head mountain were spectacular too and Pearl Harbour is an incredible place to visit. The Kualoa Ranch is well worth a visit too. It's one huge movie set and getting around it on an ATV was great fun. Skip the Dole Plantation though. It might be good when there's loads of pineapple trees growing, but there's a three year crop cycle and we went in the year where they had burned everything worth seeing to the ground. Our tour was of red soil and a gift shop.
Other than that I'm a bit of a creature of habit. I just alternate Florida one year, with the South of France the next. This year we're breaking the cycle to go to Lanzarote with friends - I've no idea what it'll be like or even whats there, but hopefully it'll be ok.
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1 hour ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:
Well there is a surprise positive Stuart in all things St Mitten here is me thinking you would be on a Sunderland forum telling them what a shining light they are in British football. Oh aye there not lol.
Troll!
Chuck him in the Sin Bin
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18 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:
What was it you claimed you earned before £1,500,000
See inaccuracies or lies that you've post do matter when you're dealing with figures for all decent folk. Only here to help.Well again I'm not sure what you are trying to prove.
To recap - I stated amongst many other things that St Mirren had failed to utilise the advantages gifted to them by Tesco and by the local authority and I mentioned the "peppercorn rent" - as previously described by Stewart Gilmour and many others. You took issue with the claim it was a "peppercorn rent" - which by definition is a "nominal sum" and demanded that I tell you how much it was. I correctly said £10,000 per annum. You argued that this was not a "peppercorn rent" and that it gave the taxpayers of Paisley a great return on a council asset because the local SNP council were charging St Mirren 25 times more than some other place in another council area.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt I did a quick calculation - 2 x full sized football pitches at that annual rent meant the "peppercorn rent" was approx 10p per square foot per annum - a nominal sum. I then found a Paisley Express article which set the area at 3.7 hectares which would make the nominal rent 2.5p per sq ft - giving the local Paisley taxpayers even worse value for money, however you were insistent you knew this figure and that this was still 25 times more than some neighbouring council was charging their football team. Now in your determination to prove me incorrect, which I'll again accept you have done, the correct figure per sq ft appears to be 2.9p per annum - still a nominal sum under any description - yet I presume you'll still claim the SNP council are still charging St Mirren 25 times more than neighbouring councils and you'll still be claiming that renting out this valuable plot of land in one of the richest parts of Renfrewshire for a nominal sum still gives the Paisley taxpayer tremendous value for money.
It makes no odds to me. My initial assertion that it is a peppercorn rent is still correct and still accurate. Meanwhile I do hope the SNP put you in charge of their future electoral campaigns.
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2 hours ago, cockles1987 said:
You do know that the site leased from renfrewshire council is 3.17 hectares and not what wiki or folk that copy the information from wiki say it is.
http://www.renfrewshire.gov.uk/article/5318/Ralston-Pavilion--Training-Ground-Bathgo-Avenue-Paisley
What was it you copied before, 305million engines instead of 3.5million.
So 2.9p per sq ft per annum instead of 2.5p? Well that changes everything....
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2 hours ago, cockles1987 said:
He's absolutely raging
At what?
You've argued that 2.5p per sq ft in prime estate in Ralston is not cheap and that council tax payers are getting a great deal. And you've argued that St Mirren are being charged 25 times more than someone in an adjacent authority. As I said you appear desperate to blast both your feet off and beyond laughing at the tied up in knots state of your argument i have zero interest at all.
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1 hour ago, cockles1987 said:
No I won't, as I knew the actual cost and based my earlier comparison on that.
If you ask nicely, I'll give you the link to the neighbouring council and teams leasing agreement that's at the rate I quoted.
I have absolutely no interest.
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14 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:
What is the square footage of Ralston (Saints bit, no the whole f**king lot, of course) and how many peppercorns do we pay for it. I assume that the aforementioned 10p means 10 peppercorns.
398,265 sq ft - give or take a few.
It's a 3.7 hectare site.
And since I've found the exact dimentions now I do realise that the actual cost of the rent is 2.5 pence per sq ft per annum and not the 10p originally quoted. Cockles will be raging.
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20 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:
"Happy with 13th place" Absolutely delighted you fool given it was the absolute highest we could possibly have achieved. Piss back off under your bridge troll, you are a total abomination of a human being, the lowest of the low, a mood Hoover depresant who is clearly fuming at an outstanding season for all true supporters. Your like the depressing fud that arrives at a party that is winding down having turned up uninvited. A bitter, twisted angry man who has nothing better to do with his time than troll. You hate the club and those who run it, we get it, we have done for years just let it go and get a hobby ffs.
Hello Ayrshire Saint.
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47 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:
Providing figures to show that you're idea of the figures or malicious allegations that St Mirren have somehow got favourable if not illegal terms are false.
Is it not possible that the land can't be used for housing?
Ps I don't think it was a SNP controlled council in both the cases that set the leasing amounts.
Surprised you don't know who the neighbouring council is, thought you knew everythingAllan Noon was the councillor who announced the terms of the extended lease. I believe he's an SNP Councillor.
I've no idea whether the land could be used for housing or not. And the term "peppercorn rent" was first used by Stewart Gilmour when talking about the lease agreement that got the club the use of Ralston. It's been repeated many times both on and off this forum by many other people. Of course the term "Peppercorn Rent" relates to a "nominal value" and not a specific amount. I'd say 10p per square ft is a nominal value.
Carry on telling the St Mirren fans about how Renfrewshire Council is charging 25 times as much as another council though. I'm sure they'll be interested
Ipswich Town - Permission to Speak with Jack Ross
in General St. Mirren Discussion
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Hes supposed to be on a list at Sunderland with the new owner waiting on the English FA rubber stamping the takeover. He seems well down on that list though with Mick McCarthy and Paul Cook ahead of him