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19 hours ago, st jock said:
So... when SMISA completes it buyout of GS shares, are they going to have 51% of the shares? If so, what would be the role of Kibble? Who would be chairman? Sorry if these questions have already been answered.
Did the new deal not mean smisa had less than the 51%?
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1 minute ago, bazil85 said:
Yes I think he's worth (at least) £1 million plus big add ons. Anything under the early £1 mil mark, I'd rather keep him.
Kyle is a risk and reward type player, struggled with injuries but if he stays fit he could have a very successful career in football, with a £1 million transfer looking like chicken feed.
Wasnt so hard now was it.
Can't see anyone paying anywhere near 1mil when he's injured and can sign a pre contract in January, regardless of what his value is perceived as.
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1 minute ago, bazil85 said:
I think he's worth more to us this season than any six figure sum.
That's not an answer to the question he asked.
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11 hours ago, antrin said:
Strange post from you bazil...
in the last umpteen pages I have made no points whatsoever on either side.
neither agreed nor disagreed.
no nonsense, no pedantry, no challenges, nothing on which to be proved wrong...
Strange...
He just made an arse of quoting me. That was a post I wrote to someone else that he's copied rather than quoted
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1 hour ago, antrin said:
Nicking my patter!
in a kinda bleak, simplistic way....
Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery
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On 9/1/2020 at 10:54 PM, Hendo said:
Well, they've achieved that, 2 deaths in 7 weeks and 5 people in intensive care. Hospital admissions are way down, mainly because other treatments have been paused. It's a very strange approach to stop treating people who are currently ill to keep space for those who might get ill in the future.
Anyone who thinks the Scottish Government has dealt with this well isn't paying attention.
On 9/1/2020 at 11:00 PM, TPAFKATS said:On 9/1/2020 at 10:54 PM, Hendo said:Well, they've achieved that, 2 deaths in 7 weeks and 5 people in intensive care. Hospital admissions are way down, mainly because other treatments have been paused. It's a very strange approach to stop treating people who are currently ill to keep space for those who might get ill in the future.
Anyone who thinks the Scottish Government has dealt with this well isn't paying attention.The NHS isn't doing this
On 9/1/2020 at 11:21 PM, Hendo said:My son has asthma. A couple of weeks ago, probably as he was back at school, he got a cold and it went into his chest and made his asthma worse. We phoned NHS 24, and were asked to take him to hospital. They took his oxygen levels once (the issue was the levels were fluctuating), said he was fine and sent him home. He was there for about half an hour. We were advised to follow up with his GP, which amounted to a two minute phone call and an instruction to not bring him to the surgery.
The same thing happened to him last October. Then, he was in hospital for ten hours as the monitored him, and the following day had a full consultation with the GP.
The NHS have reduced services for those that need them to create capacity for those that don't, under Government instruction.
On 9/2/2020 at 8:06 AM, Hendo said:It's a well established fact that the majority of non Covid related medical interventions haven't been taking place, and while these are gradually coming back, they are still well below what would usually happen, with a massive backlog now in place. So yes, those that need medical treatment have been denied it over the last few months.
On 9/2/2020 at 9:22 AM, TPAFKATS said:It's not a well established fact.
Its a well established narrative.23 hours ago, slapsalmon said:It's not a narrative, all routine surgeries were stopped. Some have started back at a very reduced capacity and others are still on hold.
GPS have not allowed patients inside the buildings since around the same time.
Eta heres a link from the 17th of March detailing the stopping of surgery.
https://www.gov.scot/news/nhs-scotland-placed-on-emergency-footing/
21 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:Hendo's post stated
"So yes, those that need medical treatment have been denied it over the last few months."
That's a sweeping generalisation, it's not fact. Some treatments were postponed, not all. Emergency treatments were still undertaken.19 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:
Again that's opinion. It could be factual in some cases but not all as many who need a service are still receiving it.13 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:The relevant point is that some treatments have continued since March. Other treatments and procedures have re started in recent weeks. Hendo implied otherwise as I pointed out earlier.
I might not be on the same wavelength as you, hendo and oaksoft regarding this but that doesn't mean I am wrong.I've quoted most of the conversation, highlighted the link to the gov website which details the stopping of treatment, I've also highlighted several times you agreed that treatments have stolped while saying he is wrong.
No one has said emergency treatments have stopped, but it cannot be argued that there has been no disruption to the NHS and people needing routine operations or non life threatening treatment. Gp appointments where possible are also carried out over the phone. My GP won't allow anyone in unless it cannot be done on the phone (and the stock answer is to write a prescription without knowing if its needed) , and my partners work which is a GP surgery is the same.
You can say your not wrong as long as you want, but as highlighted above you have actually agreed with the point several times while ever so slightly moving the goalposts to say your not wrong. Anyway I've had enough, your like bazil mk2
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13 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:
The relevant point is that some treatments have continued since March. Other treatments and procedures have re started in recent weeks. Hendo implied otherwise as I pointed out earlier.
I might not be on the same wavelength as you, hendo and oaksoft regarding this but that doesn't mean I am wrong.The relevant point is in the link I posted earlier in the thread that there was massive disruption, all non life threatening surgeries were stopped and for a period of time which is easing now the majority of general Dr appt were done over the phone.
The original point stands, the majority of people needing medical treatment didn't receive it for a period of months.
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3 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:
Again that's opinion. It could be factual in some cases but not all as many who need a service are still receiving it.He never said it was all cases. Your just twisting it to suit your nonsense. You agreed with him while quoting him to disagree 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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3 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:
Again that's opinion. It could be factual in some cases but not all as many who need a service are still receiving it.It's factual according to your response to him as well as the link from the Scottish government website I posted earlier. Are you on the same planet as the rest of us?
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21 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
Hendo's post stated
"So yes, those that need medical treatment have been denied it over the last few months."
That's a sweeping generalisation, it's not fact. Some treatments were postponed, not all. Emergency treatments were still undertaken.In another post he also said the below, which is also a fact.
The NHS have reduced services for those that need them to create capacity for those that don't, under Government instruction.
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22 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
Hendo's post stated
"So yes, those that need medical treatment have been denied it over the last few months."
That's a sweeping generalisation, it's not fact. Some treatments were postponed, not all. Emergency treatments were still undertaken.I've copied the important part of his quote below. What he said in that quote is a fact. By your very admission, some treatments were postponed. So it makes it true that people who needed medical treatment were denied.
the majority of non Covid related medical interventions haven't been taking place, and while these are gradually coming back, they are still well below what would usually happen, with a massive backlog now in place.
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1 hour ago, TPAFKATS said:
It's not a well established fact.
Its a well established narrative.It's not a narrative, all routine surgeries were stopped. Some have started back at a very reduced capacity and others are still on hold.
GPS have not allowed patients inside the buildings since around the same time.
Eta heres a link from the 17th of March detailing the stopping of surgery.
https://www.gov.scot/news/nhs-scotland-placed-on-emergency-footing/
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46 minutes ago, munoz said:
Just watched the tackle on Sportscene again there. It does look slightly worse the more times I've seen it , but still dont think it's a definite red. What's more galling for me is , the ref on his debut in the Premiership deemed the tackle fine and he was 10yrds away, but the wee kunt (Scotland's best ref)double the distance away says it's a red. f**k me, what does that say about refs being promoted and the so called teachers?
I agree to an extent, but I think the rule says risk of injury so wether or not it was intentional or he could've done anything I can't see it being overturned. Also imagine that's against us and there's a crowd. They'd be screaming for a red.
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27 minutes ago, WirralSaint said:
If that is a red card then referees have to send off 4 or 5 players per game.
Not straight through the ball with the only intent to clear it up field. No defender in their right mind is weighing up where the opposition player is going to put their foot or leg they're simply concentrating on cleanly hitting the ball. You can't go ordering them all off for dangerous play when opposition get unfortunately placed.
Awful decision.
As I said before I think it's unfortunate that Ross Stewart leg had hit the ground and it wasn't intentional. Fraction of a second earlier and he'd have ridden the tackle.
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Just now, truesaint said:
You obviously don't support the buds. Look at it again in the replay and tell me what the feck he could have done apart from clear the ball. The appeal will go through easily.
Accidental doesn't mean it's not a red card if the criteria is dangerous or risk of injury.
I agree there's nothing he could have done to get out of it, I 4eckon if the leg doesn't go down he just falls over, but I doubt an appeal will be successful.
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2 minutes ago, munoz said:
Played the ball at speed with Stewart nowhere near it. Never a red card, not even a yellow.
Right for a start if Stewart was nowhere near it we wouldn't be having the conversation because he would be nowhere near getting hit. I'm pretty sure the rule is dangerous wether or not it's intentional. And IMO studs to the shin at speed while the leg is planted is dangerous as I said above. I also think it's unfortunate and would bet most of the folk saying not a card would be screaming for it if it's the other way.
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Just now, santaponsasaint said:8 minutes ago, lenziebud said:It was borderline red. Some refs would give other wouldn't. Waste of time time appealing.
Wasnt even close to borderline. Wasnt even a foul.
Studs to the shin while the leg is planted, not intentional, but that is without doubt borderline.
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3 minutes ago, lenziebud said:
It was borderline red. Some refs would give other wouldn't. Waste of time time appealing.
Aye, I probably agree. What's the criteria for a red, risk of injury/dangerous? If its those then it's probably a red. If Stewarts leg doesn't plant he rides the tackle and it's a good old fashioned 50/50 and everybody is happy. Just unfortunate his leg went down.
I'd be shouting for a red if it was against us.
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9 minutes ago, Ronnie said:
Having a Gus Mcpherson clone in charge is getting harder and harder to take as the weeks go by we could potentially have our best league finish in years but it's going to be so f*****g boring getting there with every game before and during revolving around safety first.
Played 4, won 2, drawn 1(with 10 men), lost 1(to one of the old/new firm)
Are you for real, 😂
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I think that's unfortunate because Stewart leg plants. Don't think there's any way to get out of that. The contact is a fraction of a second after he plays the ball and there's no movement to hit the leg
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6 hours ago, oaksoft said:
Are dishwashers mandatory in all pubs?
In any premises serving food there must either be an automatic machine which reaches above 82* for 30 seconds or 2 stage cleaning with one of the stages being bactericidal detergent, the stuff has a corrosive label on it and any prolonged contact with skin causes problems so I'd be confident any bacteria would be gone.
Any debris in machine washed crockery is more likely due to a machine not being cleaned out sufficiently often rather than improperly loaded. Modern machines have jets above and below which rotate at a good speed.
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14 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
I have already addressed pretty much all of this.
IMO Sarti and now you demanding I admit I am wrong on something so trivial as the semantics of the word fact regarding my view on lockdown has saved more than zero lives, is what is childish. Yes maybe I have matched that childish behaviour of Sarti but that was to empathise a point that I've made to him several times he's used his pedantic argument technique in the past.
Let it go, if you want to debate points on Covid19 and the horrible impacts it is having, I'm all ears. I always take in other opinions and views but it doesn't mean I need to conclude by agreeing on them (the irony is it sounds like we are likely on quite similar footing with this)
if you want to be pedantic on the meaning of words on a point that literally adds zero value to this conversation, do it with someone else because I am not interested.
For a start you have no idea what footing I'm on. Not once have I put an opinion on here either way, secondly I am demanding nothing.
I am pointing out you paint opinion as fact which you have stated you do as its probable. I have zero interest in debating with a toddler who will not listen
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35 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
TBF most people aren't as anal as Sarti... My opinion is if he hadn't instigated it, no one (or very few) would have batted an eyelid at a technically, yourself included.
I'm not sure where I have came across as smug or childish (I'm not the one making a big thing out of defining the word fact by the way), my view seems to be closely aligned with the majority on this chat when it comes to Andy. Yet somehow it (again) ends up the usual suspects having a pop at me. Do you not see any issue with having a go at something so trivial when the person has admitted their view is the same as mine?
As I said, the stuff Andy posts is enough to show his view is wrong (or at the very least unfounded) there's main examples of this.
1. Andy claims lockdown will kill far more people than the virus. He shares excess death stats that don't back that up and shares a point of agreement where we don't have all/ accurate stats to back that claim. What more could I share to add value that further points to the claim being currently baseless?
2. Andy shares stats in isolation that (supposedly) proves his view that lockdown was wrong, a view he has held since day 1 I might add, before we seen what was to happen. For example points in isolation about Sweden. He again openly admits we don't have enough data to make such a claim. I say it's cherry-picking. Again what more would I be expected to share? This has dominated the news for months, do people genuinely need me to flood this chat like Andy does with a bunch more stats?
Most people don't there are a few that do, I think that's very well evidenced when you put together the different views on this subject yet you see where people have sat in their engagement.
I will always put my hand up when I am not correct on something that's a valid and worthwhile point. Someone trying to pedantically define what a fact is on a point they agree with me on, not so much.
Don't start telling me why his view is wrong, I couldn't give a f**k either way or who is right or wrong. I'm also not getting into any debate with you.
As I said, people aren't saying anything because of your view, it's because you paint it as fact. When that is pointed out you do what you've done above or start using mixed up capitals and lower case letters, that is the childish part. Believing you are absolutely 100% correct and everybody else is wrong is the smug part, and it doesn't matter the subject.
I skipped your post as soon as you started telling me why he was wrong, but on the final part about holding your hands up when your wrong, that's the issue. Right now nobody knows who is right or wrong. Including the people leading the research, yet you shout fact at everything you post.
You call things fact when they are not a fact, maybe probable but not a fact. You turn every debate into right or wrong so there is actually no debate on the merits of any side of the argument, no middle ground, no conceding that someone may have a point regarding anything.
You have zero interest in hearing Anyone's opinion if it doesn't match your own, and you bludgeon them with zero evidence of anything all the time shouting fact. There is no debate. It turns into playground shite every single time because of this. There are probably half decent points in there somewhere but nobody reads them because they stop at the first misplaced call of fact.
If you were open to actually having a debate with people, listening to other points of view, and posting your opinion not painted as a fact they would possibly have a debate, but not the way you act just now.
I believe we have had this very conversation before regarding the way you "debate" so I'm probably wasting my time here.
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5 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
Absolutely agree, this is the horrible nature of the situation we are in. We've had to make some very tough choices in a set of scenarios where we know an outcome doesn't exist where people don't die. Time will tell the gravity of the impact but I feel we have evidenced that locking down was the right call to address the immediate threat of a pandemic that's claimed so many lives.
My post was to highlight how pedantic he is. I won't stop posting the way I do because (IMO) someone saying "well actually even though I agree you are likely completely right by definition that isn't technically a fact"
It doesn't do anything for argument on here, it is a complete waste of time. He does it often, we have spent days, if not weeks, if not months on subjects because he wants to make his little semantic point on what a "fact" is.
But that's the issue most people have. You post something incorrect and say it is a fact when it isn't. If you just posted IMO nobody would bat an eyelid.
Coming across smug and always correct appears childish and incapable of seeing any merit in someone else's view.
Regardless wether or not the geezer Andy is right or wrong he posts articles and reasons for his view. You just post and say your opinion is a fact. It's not debating, it's an absolute battle of attrition designed to wear people down.
People don't have a vendetta against you like you believe. Most people just can't be arsed until every now and again they get annoyed by your use of the word fact and it needs called out.
Believe it or not you aren't always correct. Ffs the people leading the information gathering on this whole covid pish wouldn't even be calling half the stuff facts as they don't know. They do however say they "believe" or "in their opinion"
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Got you, I knew it had reduced what the eventual shareholding would be, just got mixed up with what it was going to be before the deal.