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Pretty sure the club have a list of all the ticket holders in the stand...
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2 hours ago, Highland Saint said:
Tony's response is a joke. Disappointed in the club statement on this.
His statement strikes me as if he's no clue about this stuff. He's a director and more importantly CEO. Nothing like this should be a surprise to him.
Indeed, a pathetic statement from the SMFC CEO.
QuoteTony Fitzpatrick, chief executive of St Mirren said: “I don’t know why we are on the list. All of this was dealt with some time ago.
“It must have been before we came in or before the take-over.”
First he says he "doesn't know why we are on the list", then says he does know why we are on the list, the says again he doesn't know why we are on the list. Not to mention the complete lack of empathy or apology on behalf of the club.
Is this the best leadership we can get?
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Spoiler
The charge is one thing, but the queuing and f**king around is another...
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5 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:
Who owns Paisley Airport now ?
Ferrovial, a Spanish multinational construction/infrastructure firm.
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9 hours ago, Sonny said:
That being said maybe SMiSA should make it clear how they want people to communicate with them. Their banner in the SMiSA forum states Got a question or point to raise about the St.Mirren Independent Supporters Association ? . If they are offering such a service on this fans' forum then they should either address questions or remove their strap line.
I have a fundamental problem with this. It can't be about how they want "people to communicate with them". For SMISA/fan ownership to work it must be the other way round. They should seek out queries and address them proactively if they want to convince people to join the revolution. If addressing queries on BAWA is too difficult, the baw's burst.
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5 hours ago, HSS said:
Maybe she took her actions because the Scottish Justice system let her down?
Seems about right:
"However I am bitterly disappointed that I was so badly let down by the criminal justice system and was forced to seek a remedy through the civil court."
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Is it:
- members only;
- members + guests (as long as notified in advance);
- open to all; or
- decision to be made 3 days before the date?
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13 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said:
Never been to it but i have been to the Grill in the Park in Paisley and Erskine
Good food , good value. Run by Asians , my wife reckons the Curries are ace.
Don't know how I turned "Grill" into "Green"
Is it a big chain or just Paisley & Erskine? Need to give it a try.
Also anyone know when the new Cardossi's place opening in Arnotts? I'm getting rather impatient.
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Anyone been to Green in the Park on Canal St? What's the craic with it? Looks like they've done a decent job on the outside, but strange name.
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10 minutes ago, FTOF said:
If it was coming from SMISA board members then I'd agree.
But from two random club supporters on an internet, one of whom might not even be a SMISA member................
Have to agree with the latter poster. If you've got concerns then surely the adult approach would be to contact SMISA directly or isn't that public enough for you?
It isn't about being "adult" or not. I find it a bit concerning that point point is being missed.
Put simply, if I don't 'contact SMISA directly' it makes no difference to me. Where as, if SMISA choose not to engage on the primary social media platform, they risk missing out on valuable funds (£1,400 per sign up). The only people with anything to lose are SMISA.
This is clearly a wider point than m original query, the same applies to every single person who has a query or who could be persuaded to part with their money.
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2 hours ago, BaldyOzBud said:
My only connection to SMiSA is as member, nothing that I post has anything to do with the governance of the organization, nor do I have influence other than my one in 1300(ish) vote on any particular matter; Any queries I have had concerning fan ownership I have forwarded to the SMiSA website and have always received a reply within 24 hours.
I would suggest to you that you do the same.
1 hour ago, oaksoft said:Quit with the entitlement bud and just phone or email them directly.
Like I said, not the type of attitude that is conducive to maximising membership (and thus maximising funds). Just another example of my concern over fan ownership.
There's a captive audience capable of being persuaded to join, surely this should be exploited rather than expecting people to approach SMISA.
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6 minutes ago, BaldyOzBud said:
Perhaps you should try talking to SMiSA rather than moaning about it on an unofficial club forum
Successful community groups usually achieve such success by going on the charm offensive and engaging at every opportunity. If answering questions in a dedicated section of the primary social media platform of the club is too much effort, then I don't hold much hope.
Hopefully your response isn't reflective of SMISA though.
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Slightly disappointing that a SMISA rep has chosen not to engage in discussion as yet, particularly in the SMISA section of the forum.
Engagement is how you increase subscription (if that's what they want).
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Our stadium m is perfect for our needs and requires minimum FM maintenance.
'Great' Ideas like painting the concourse blockwork are where the problems start.
Once you've done it once, you need to continue to do it every 5 years or so until eternity, at great expense. Otherwise the place starts to look obviously filthy.
It is unnecessary, unaffordable etc...
By all means get Poz to design a few more pictures though.
Edit: BinEK beat me to it
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I assume someone else will be taking on the lease. As far as I have heard, the original occupiers of the shop (possibly Presto) took out a 99 year lease which gets transferred whenever someone new takes over. Either that or they are losing so much money that it is more economical for Budgens to pay the lease and not trade from the shop.
Seemingly the Company are closing 12 shops in the UK.Budgets is a franchise supermarket (or at least some of them are franchised) I believe.
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The club has your phone number, address, e-mail address, and you offered SMiSA help. You have never taken a penny from the club. You are a strong advocate of football clubs doing good in the community, and, lest we forget, you steadfastly stood your ground in the boardroom to hammer the Rangers even in the hypothetical scenario whereby staff at St Mirren would lose their jobs. Others, including me, wavered. You didn't.
Sound like a good guy, yet no-one at the club is taking your calls or responding to your 'asset lock' and 'community' related rants.
Take the fcuking hint.
For that he should be applauded.
Anyone taking any other stance should be ashamed of themselves.
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I fully accept that Stu does absolutely not thing to endear himself to St Mirren fans (quite the opposite) and accept that he does his best to rub them up the wrong way, but there's no escaping that he raises some valid points in the middle of his waffle.
It is disappointing that SMFC fans are constantly unable to identify the valid points and attack the poster himself in a "whataboutery" manner rather than actually deal with them for the benefit of the club.
Those who instantly dismiss his points are at least as equally as bad as the poster himself, if not worse.
If fans in positions of authority can't identify valid queries fan ownership is never going to succeed, where the person raising the query is a dik or not. -
It's a classic case of doers and talkers.
Everytime the doers do something the talkers criticise but aren't prepared to do anything. It's dead easy to sit back and pick holes in any new initiative.
Doing something isn't enough though. Politics is part of every walk of life. If you can't get the people on board you have failed. That isn't pessimism.
Hopefully things change and a consensus is found.
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Glad I never joined this, whole weekly moving of goal posts is a shambles.
If this is how fans run things in future, god help us.
That's exactly the space I'm in when it comes to the whole fan ownership thing.
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5 minutes ago, div said:
Non-Members have never been able to just walk up to the door and get in before a game. Ever. That's a fact.
Non-Members can now, and this has only very recently happened, walk up to the bar after a game and wander in.
I get that it's been a bit confusing. What has happend in the past is really whataboutery to be fair.
At the moment the situation is;
Members pay £10 a month, juniors pay £5 a month. They can rock up anytime, any match.
New members can join for £50 one off fee (plus the standard monthly fee as above)
Members can pre-book guests, who can attend pre-match for £3 entry at the door.
The club is open to everyone, members, non-members after the game. No charge. Free soup.
The whole access thing has been "confusing" as you now accept, which was the point I was making in my original post. Nothing more.
Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity.
I also didn't realise new members had to pay a £50 joining fee. Ouch.
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13 minutes ago, div said:
I get that it might be misleading language but members have always been able to sign in guests. The only thing that has changed has been the move from £6 to £3 which happened quite a while ago.
I genuinely hate that I'm not allowed an opinion because I happen to host the forum.
Is the 1877 club perfect? No. Is it better than what we had before? Yes, yes it is.
Wait a minute, I didn't object to you having an opinion. I specifically object to your accusation that I was fabricating things, which the evidence refutes.
As for "the only thing that has changed", the e-mail extracts demonstrates that for a period non-members could walk up, then for a period non-members could not walk up. Clearly more has changed than you are willing to accept.
I'm not out to slate the club or those involved. I want to be constructive but to move forward people need to accept the lessons which have been learned.
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18 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said:
Do i get a prize for spotting the obvious attempt to pad the list out ?
Maybe it wasn't clear from my formatting, but I was working chronologically. Sorry for that. That scenario was listed multiple times as it has come and gone a number of times.
No attempt to pad out the list.
No prize.
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9 minutes ago, div said:
Sorry mate, but you're just making stuff up here.
Non-Members have always been welcome from day one.
All that has changed is that they can now enter for free without a guest sign in after the game.
I'm not being difficult for the sake of being difficult, I want to see being the best success it can be. And I'm certainly not "making stuff up", it it quite disappointing that you want to go down that route, but fair enough you're the boss.
Either you are wrong, or the e-maisl from the club are wrong.
E-mail for game at start of Sept:
"The biggest incentive is free entry for members guests which as always has to be pre booked to allow us to monitor our numbers.
In addition we will allow non members entry for a reduced fee of £3."E-mail for Falkirk game at end of Sept:
"Also, to protect the value of membership we will NOT allow non members to use the facility this weekend ,unless signed in by a member."
To say that nothing has changed is slightly misleading. But this discussion continues to highlight the complete confusion and lack of certaininy which exists around the access arrangements. If the folk engaged in SMFC discussion boards can't get clear information, what chance have the casual/occasional fan got?
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1 hour ago, div said:
What are the changes I've missed mate?
2 hours ago, Kendo said:Name a few that he's ignored?
The very fact that there isn't a single place where I can identify the continuously changing criteria reinforces my point.
The goal posts have moved numerous times including;
Free entry for guests who have pre-booked,
£3 entry for non-members on the day,
No entry to non-members.
Non-members welcome after one of the December games (or were they? too much confusion)
Non-members not welcome.
Expecting potential customers to check the criteria each week does not lend itself to maximising footfall. I can't see what is controversial about this point, it isn't rocket science.
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Does anything in that unit last longer than 6 months?