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1 hour ago, animal said:
At least many more people are reading this thread and commenting on it.
It’s very important that this remains a debate and discussion rather than a tit for tat point scoring exercise.However it’s hard to agree when we see comments here like Baz85’s that problems have been ‘most short term’ and what he refers to as ‘legacy issues’ that pre-date Kibble. Or that tensions are the result of the Chairman’s ‘idiotic tweets’.
Tensions? It’s open boardroom warfare.
Believe me Baz, while you may think problems short term I’d ask you just to take a look around at matches. Listen to fellow fans like I do, saying how disillusioned they are, not with the poor results but with the club in general for all the reasons that appeared earlier on this thread.
Looking across to the West Stand in midweek in a ‘crowd’ of 2,300 I knew we were about 1000 down on season ticket holders, let alone PATG. We scraped 6,000 v Rangers with them in two stands. Crowds are down and dropping, which has been the case right from the off.
(For comparison November 23 2019. Saints 2 Ross County 1 Attendance 4,708).
I knew there and then that stadium catering was suffering sales-wise. That the 1877 club would be suffering. That costs across the board were probably outstripping income. All of which hurts the club.
All the talk I hear is that problems kicked in from the point Kibble’s new professionalism became involved and started a systematic clear out of anyone they could not control. I won’t list them all again, its easier to say Tommy Docherty, Campbell Kenney and one of the back office are all that’s left at the ground.
Furthermore two Kibble attempts to discredit the club and remove one or more directors without so much as a care for fans and other shareholders let alone SMISA have now failed. And a Digby Brown lawyer/director has tendered his resignation without even a thank you from the club.
Well if it matters to Digby Brown it bloody well matters to me and almost every fan I spoke to today and for the past umpteen weeks. Chris Stewart is a loss to the club.
These people are playing fast and loose with our club because they do not care. It is not the club they support and they have not put one penny of their own money into it!
Think about that. And remember it does not matter a damn to them what league we play in. If we were to be relegated they would not lift a finger to help us back.
Even though I agree John Needham’s online comments were not the actions I would expect from a St Mirren director he must be supported in his efforts to protect the club.
What's next then? Here’s something to think about.
Our AGM.
None of the Kibble representatives on our board have yet faced any kind of scrutiny or questioning from St Mirren supporters or shareholders.
It would suit them perfectly to continue this situation by selecting another ZOOM style AGM.
This must be avoided at all costs.
I would suggest they will (if they turn up) face a forensic grilling at a physical AGM. I’d suggest the 1877 club as a venue for its capacity, high ceiling and space if social distancing is an issue to ensure this happens.
When we played that 2019 game against Ross County we finished the season with the club united as never before. Outsiders have since found a way in and destroyed any semblance of unity within our club.
They don't care. They joke about it and one of them not so long ago loved to show his pals a St Mirren strip on his mobile only in green and white.
Attempting to re-write what has been going on since the professionals of Kibble arrived and began to take over almost every aspect of the running of OUR club like does nothing to add to the debate.
I hope, just hope, others agree with that and that an AGM MUST be face to face!
Absolutely nailed it! Neither Kibble director has faced the fans nor attended either of the recent meetings and the reason is very obvious. Bazil seems to be disinterested in carrying out his own investigations nor does he ponder why so many of us have (and have become extremely worried). I'm afraid that the "where's the evidence" question is impossible to answer when referring to word of mouth.
I have no intention of betraying confidences but the disharmony that exists within the club is easy to ascertain. There's no point in detailing all of the problems at the club as it's been done to death but he continues to ignore the testimony, while claiming that Kibble are wonderful and that well intentioned, informed supporters are wrong.
Bazil, I truly wonder what your agenda is? No rational, sensible person could possibly deny that we are in trouble if he or she had asked the relevant questions to the right people about Kibble. I know, as does everyone else on this forum, that, despite your claims to the contrary, you are a Kibble apologist but I plead with you yet again - do your research! Talk to whatever contacts you have at the club. You surely know someone that could offer an insight to the internal politics. Talk to former employees/ directors/Smisa board members. Ask about the rock bottom morale at the club. But before you pontificate again, please do not offer an ill informed opinion when you evidently have not spoken to anyone who has had to work under the current regime.
Every single contributor who have posted warnings about the current legal threat have come across as eminently sensible and rational - doesn't that ring alarm bells in your head? It should.
Animals's statement that "none of the Kibble representatives on our board have yet faced any kind of scrutiny or questioning from St Mirren supporters or shareholders" is very apt. I also agree that the Kibble reps should indeed "face a forensic grilling at a physical AGM". I also suspect that, as usual, they will find an excuse not to face the fans.
I have spent enough time trying to encourage fellow fans to do their own research, ask their own questions and avoid posting opinions without having done so. I suspect that you mind is made up no matter how persuasive Animal's argument may be but I'd love you to reflect on what I, and many others, believe. Please, adopt a flexible attitude and reflect on this: If Animal, myself and the other like minded fans are correct then the future of our club is at stake. Isn't that worth the small amount of time it would take you to ask a few questions
p.s. Bazil, do you agree that they should in all good conscience attend the AGM in person and face up to the questions that will undoubtedly be posed from the members?
Do you think that they should confirm or deny that they have issued a legal threat?
Wouldn't that clear up this particular issue?
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29 minutes ago, Slarti said:
Again, a lot of words to say not much. As I said, it makes you "wonder", I never actually labelled anyone a shit stirrer, I never even stated any opinion on the validity of what's been said. It looks like you have misunderstood my post after all.
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Playing on words are we now? I prefer grown up dialogue. I've tried to be respectful, I've tried to be informative but clearly you prefer to adopt a more immature stance with petty point scoring. Please do not waste my time in replying. End of conversation.
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16 minutes ago, portmahomack saint said:
99% of football fans in Scotland wouldn't have heard of John Needham... in fact a few saints fans I've spoke to hadn't heard of him before this...
Does that not make you wonder why a sevco fan from seemingly another country found time and the effort to dig through 1000s of historical tweets of someone 99.9% of sevco fans would never of heard of
Extremely valid point. I have my suspicions as to who is responsible for the tweet being leaked but, of course, that's merely speculation on my part. However, like you, I wonder about the likelihood of a rangers fan going to the bother of digging through John Needham's tweets.
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39 minutes ago, Slarti said:
That's a lot of words to say nothing much. You also seem to have misread or misunderstood (perhaps deliberately) my post.
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You said "Yeah, but when you get "new users" and very seldom used aliases popping in espousing "conspiracy theories" and trying to stoke "rebellion" it makes you wonder if it's just one person trying to shit stir."
I put a lot of detail in my reply in an obviously misguided attempt to have you do your own research but also in an attempt to stop you name calling i.e. "one person trying to shit stir".
I completely understood your post and you clearly stated that there were "new users", "conspiracy theories" and folk "trying to stoke rebellion" . I summarised by saying "But, if the club's future is important to you, then do your own digging but, please, for the good of OUR club don't label someone who lists all these ongoing problems as a shit stirrer".
If you think that my detailed reply says "nothing much" then I suggest that maybe, just maybe, it is you who has "misread or misunderstood (perhaps deliberately) my post."
I reiterate - don't believe me, I mean it! Don't believe anyone else who shares my opinion either! But, if the club's future is important to you, then do your own digging but, please, for the good of OUR club don't label someone who lists all these ongoing problems as a shit stirrer.
Please do your own research - it matters not a jot to me if you believe me or Animal or any other contributor. What is important is that everyone be fully aware of what's going on. Pondering if any well meaning fan is a shit stirrer is really a waste of your time, my time and everyone else's time.
As I said, now go find out for yourself - that'd be a more valuable use of your time.
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1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said:31 minutes ago, animal said:Yes it is now. Shame it had to be discovered by supporters searching company records.
It's been public for 10 days. So hardly just now.
Respectfully, your definition of it being public is different from mine. My thoughts are that the club should make an announcement on such an important development and not rely on one curious fan having to dig into company house records.
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58 minutes ago, Slarti said:
Yeah, but when you get "new users" and very seldom used aliases popping in espousing "conspiracy theories" and trying to stoke "rebellion" it makes you wonder if it's just one person trying to shit stir.
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You can lead a horse to water as I've said before. However, why waste time being cynical when all you have to do is ask questions of your Smisa reps. Their details are on the Smisa website.
Animal's post was very clear and was factual - everyone knows the facts about the various disasters of the last few months i.e.
season ticket/ticket office debacle,
new ticketing system being unfit for purpose for months,
lost jersey sponsorship ,
4 contracts awarded to one new company,
loss of key members of staff including club doctor, safety officer, club director
training ground still unfit for purpose,
poor stadium maintenance,
general manager joing, leaving then being quickly replaced - both of whom are/were employed by Kibble and not the club,
director resignation without any announcement etc etc etc.
These are all well documented, indisputable facts - not conspiracy theories. I've been a member for over 10 years but I've preferred to be an observer rather than a contributor but this issue is too important for me to remain silent. I hope that clarifies things for you.
Anyway, so when Animal subsequently tells you that there is a legal battle going on don't you think its your duty as a St.Mirren fan to carry out your own research rather than come on here casting aspersions? I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not "stoking rebellion" - I'm hoping to inform fans who are unaware of what's going on between Kibble and Smisa. Don't you think checking that out is worth your time? My advice to you is this - don't believe me, I mean it! Don't believe anyone else who shares my opinion either! But, if the club's future is important to you, then do your own digging but, please, for the good of OUR club don't label someone who lists all these ongoing problems as a shit stirrer. We were promised an increased level of professionalism from Kibble but the cold hard facts suggest we have not become more professional - it's the complete opposite. The legal battle is real and Smisa are under the threat of legal action. Now go find out for yourself.
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4 minutes ago, alanb said:
Link you provided still has him active as club Secretary
see under people tab
I didn't notice that. Thanks for setting the record straight
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3 minutes ago, Maboza said:
So, Chris Stewart is gone?
Most people will never have heard of him I’m guessing. He’s listed as Director and Secretary. Responsible for all legal matters of the club and had been in place since 2010.https://www.stmirren.com/club/about-st-mirren/meet-the-board
I don't know if he's staying on as secretary or not because the document only shows "termination of a director appointment".
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31 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:1 hour ago, doakie said:Your information is accurate, animal, assuming that the silent departure you're referring to the resignation from the board of directors that took place last week? I'm amazed that a director resigning from the board has not been announced. It's the norm, as you say, to issue a standard thank you in such circumstances. Of course, despite the "principle of probability" and the fact that this resignation seems to be hushed up, there will remain doubters. To those doubters I would ask this - why has the club/Smisa not announced the resignation that occurred over a week ago? Don't you think that is very strange? These are worrying times.
Has the resignation been accepted? That could be the reason for no communication.
Check the document from 24th November. A friend of mine, and former employee of the club for many years came across this. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC005773/filing-history
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16 minutes ago, Damien Lafferty said:
I think we as smisa members should back Mr Needham as he seems to be the only one that is fighting kibble. I have to add I never voted for kibble because I thought it was strange that a charity would want to be involved in a football club, so if anything I believe its the smisa members fault and that includes me. Pardon the pun but we took our eye off the ball and allowed kibble to put their feet firmly under our table. So, our smisa membership needs to grow a pair and fight fire with fire, I only hope its not too LATE.
Well said.
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8 hours ago, animal said:
Hold on everyone, please take a breath; let’s do that and look at the direction of this debate.
Let’s all agree that we differ on what John Needham should do.
Debating the merits of his punishment may well be more important were it not for a much greater threat and that is what we should be talking about.
There are posters on here really worried about the stability of the club whose concerns (and accurate) revelations have been dismissed as conspiracy theories. This has led to discussions that move away from the clear and present danger most fans are not yet aware of.
As information that will probably see the light of day over the coming couple of days will show WE SHOULD ALL BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE, WHICH IS THE SAFETY OF OUR CLUB.
I ask that anyone new on here together with regular posters, no matter their viewpoint, read back to posts from myself amongst others.
Look at the evidence of Kibble involvement and where we are now. Look at staff comings and goings, contract announcements and then quiet cancellations. Look at huge announcements from Club and Kibble about the new professionalism they would bring. Look at how that has turned out.
They even replaced one of their own original two SMFC board directors with no explanation of why to the fans! And no one has asked.
Ali de Foy was effectively sacked for poor performance - she cost far more than she made in the time she was ‘Brand Manager’. Remember the flurry of publicity at the time? Gone in silence.
We have no club doctor. We have no named matchday safety officer. We had both.
The next silent departure will astound you – especially in light of the threat of legal action to gag SMiSA(and possibly other club directors) from a panicking Kibble. A resignation made OVER A WEEK AGO and not relayed to the support from a club that should have actually publicly thanked the individual for his efforts.
But communication is not the club’s thing. Which is strange given they were quick enough to ask us all to re-register for season tickets after all data was deleted by a supplier they sacked after two years of a five year contract!
Communication is less than zero, phones are no longer answeredand we are a Premiership football club with a general manager employed not by the club but by a charity to which she is 100 per cent answerable.
So if you are not convinced of at least some of these so-called conspiracy theories being true, then you don’t believe in the principal of probability.
Please consider that something is rotten right at the heart of our club. It’s yours, yours and mine. It is not Kibble’s to abuse.
This is happening. And matters are about to deteriorate even more.
Your information is accurate, animal, assuming that the silent departure you're referring to the resignation from the board of directors that took place last week? I'm amazed that a director resigning from the board has not been announced. It's the norm, as you say, to issue a standard thank you in such circumstances. Of course, despite the "principle of probability" and the fact that this resignation seems to be hushed up, there will remain doubters. To those doubters I would ask this - why has the club/Smisa not announced the resignation that occurred over a week ago? Don't you think that is very strange? These are worrying times.
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39 minutes ago, animal said:
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25 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
The point I was denying is the Kibble wanting out the club. (Because there’s nothing to back it up). If Kibble are making moves to remove Needham as chairman, I would fully support it, although I am still not convinced that’s the case. We will of course see.
I think there has been miscommunication regarding the ‘condescending’ part given what I have said above (and part of that was certainly me, I could have made the point I was referencing clearer). The point I’m mainly questioning is Kibble trying to get out the club which someone had previously posted. To me that’s all just baseless hearsay right now (which has happened before). And not from you.
Ok I understand. Let's put it down to a misunderstanding.
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4 minutes ago, Mr Optimistic said:
As I suspected.. absolutely nothing..
You can lead a horse to water and all that but winning an online argument is clearly more important to you than the club's current perilous state so I concede. You win. You've out fought me, out argued me, proved me wrong in this petty exchange so please feel good about yourself and consider the matter closed - our exchange is over.
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1 minute ago, Mr Optimistic said:
Ok.. who are the sources of this information? I’ve clearly missed it.
I posted it an hour ago. Did you post your sarcastic reply without reading my original post? Surely not. I've cut and paste the paragraph for you. Now, before I do, let me explain why I refer to "allegations". I do not want to be embroiled in the legal process and, in this digital age everyone's identity can be easily found no matter how ridiculous their pen name is. As a result, I refer to "allegations" and "lead to believe" but I assumed anyone reading it would easily work out why I used those terms. Here it is.
This is a forum, not a court of law, Bazil so providing evidence is impossible but I'm lead to believe that there are enough well informed people contributing to this thread who have contacts within Smisa, within the board, from ex-directors and former employees who have been given the information by word of mouth and are confident that these allegations are true. This information is now circulating and you can choose to believe it or not (That's my disclaimer and from now on I'm simply going to refer to allegations)
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1 minute ago, Mr Optimistic said:
Keeping people informed with rumour and hearsay and absolutely NO facts to back it up. Aye.. thanks..
I've made it clear that who the sources of information are. Take a minute to digest what various well informed posters are trying to do - there are a number of fans trying to get the information out to the larger fanbase - something that the Smisa board cannot do at this moment. Whether you choose to believe the story or cynically dismiss it as rumour and hearsay is up to you but I suggest that you may want to treat these posts seriously. I've not come on here to have arguments - I'm simply trying to inform and sarcastic answers does neither you nor the club any favours.
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10 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
I’ll believe it when I see it. There’s been plenty of nonsense to this effect shared on here & elsewhere by St Mirren fans before.
As for why would they make it up? For attention.
It also isn’t one or other with SMISA & Kibble, I’m pro both regarding our football club.
I would fully support the removal of the chairman & if that’s a view held by one of our major shareholders, we can see how it plays out. I don’t imagine Kibble are trying to get out of the club though, which is the point I don’t believe. Although I’m open to someone providing something more substantial than ‘I heard a whisper’
For the sake of accuracy, I did not say that Kibble are trying to get out of the club. On the contrary it seems that they are attempting to gain more control.
p.s. Do you really have to be so condescending i.e. "I’m open to someone providing something more substantial than ‘I heard a whisper’ ". There's really no need to be so disrespectful to someone who is simply trying to keep you and other fans informed.
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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:
Evidence?
This is a forum, not a court of law, Bazil so providing evidence is impossible but I'm lead to believe that there are enough well informed people contributing to this thread who have contacts within Smisa, within the board, from ex-directors and former employees who have been given the information by word of mouth and are confident that these allegations are true. This information is now circulating and you can choose to believe it or not (That's my disclaimer and from now on I'm simply going to refer to allegations)
The legal threat to remove the chairman has, allegedly, been delivered to Smisa and, allegedly, they've been legally warned not to discuss it in public. No one can provide hard copies of the letter (i.e. the evidence you desire) without apparently running the threat of legal action.
Why would anyone make up such a story? If Smisa are muzzled where does our club go from here? Forgive me if I'm wrong but it seems that you are pro Kibble but it might be an idea get onside with Smisa and not Kibble. Why? Well, Smisa have the club's best interest at heart. I wonder if Kibble do?
The full story will fully emerge but Smisa are, allegedly, being muzzled right now. Why not get in touch with Smisa yourself - they are easy to contact - and see if you get an exact or a vague reply. But providing evidence would be literally an impossible task at this time.
The contributors to this thread should not waste their time with petty point scoring against each other (the "my dad's bigger than your dad" kind of argument/point scoring is tiring and boring) but should instead look at the bigger picture of what is happening at the club.
We have a democratically elected chairman who Kibble are, allegedly, trying to have removed. Irrespective of anyone's thoughts on John Needham's behaviour, surely nobody with half a brain feels that Kibble should carry such authority. That's not democracy.
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2 hours ago, Hendo said:
Agreed. The question, though, isn't about the motivation of the SMISA board and their reps on the St Mirren board - I don't think that's in doubt - but about whether they can stand up to the Kibble machine, as Kibble will always put the interests of Kibble first. The reality is we have had a total lack of transparency from SMISA on a whole range of things, and this could be because they're not allowed to. My fear is we are in some sort of coercive relationship with the "great bunch of lads" Kibble.
"My fear is we are in some sort of coercive relationship with the "great bunch of lads" Kibble." My understanding is that you may well be correct and Smisa's hands are tied right now as lawyers letters threatening legal action if the chairman is not removed have been sent.
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43 minutes ago, hamlet said:
I am a St Mirren fan but certainly not weird. Your comment is derogatory to many "fans". It seems the reason he should have resigned is being lost. He should have resigned when his stupidity came to light and I do not buy " he has apologised" which may only have been on the advice of more sensible persons. The damage had already been done.
A person representing a Company, in this case St Mirren Football Club Limited, is expected to maintain certain standards on behalf of its shareholders and in this case a crass joke on a social media platform indicates that he is unsuitable for the position.
You are a St.Mirren fan, you say?
Are you also an employee of Kibble, perhaps?
You refer to expectations of certain standards so I wonder: What are your thoughts on Kibble taking legal action demanding the removal of John Needham prior to his disciplinary hearing and their lawyers letters to our democratically elected Smisa board members demanding that they do not discuss the matter?
Kibble are attempting to shut down our elected Smisa board from communicating with Smisa members. This is a huge, not to mention, scandalous state of affairs yet you persist in a witch hunt against John Needham because of an ill advised but jokey tweet? I suspect that you may be a Kibble "plant" but, if not, I suggest that your outrage is misguided.
The big picture isn't the tweet - it's the fact that Kibble are taking legal action against Smisa and our elected representatives. THAT'S THE STORY, THE BIG PICTURE! WAKE UP! THE TWEET IS A SIDESHOW!
p.s. I wonder who leaked the tweet story (as well as last year's "financial improprieties" story) to the press? Answers on the back of a postcard but I'd bet that it wasn't a disgruntled Rangers fan!
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I'm impressed - you are absolutely 100% correct. My sources have confirmed it. I have a lengthy post ready to go but I've just sent it to a few well informed pals to give it a quick once over before I post but, essentially, it says exactly what you are saying. As you say, the truth of this story is out there - I have lots of friends who are sharing the scandal of Kibble taking legal action. KIBBLE TAKING LEGAL ACTION AGAINST OUR CLUB??? Well said, animal, but be prepared for an avalanche of criticism from the plants among this forum - the dirty tricks campaign is well under way. Look out for my similar post.
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21 hours ago, faraway saint said:
I'll be first, ok Doakie. 👍
If I had a pound for every time.......🤣🤣
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7 hours ago, Brilliant Disguise said:
Who is the we you refer to. Is that a give away to your employer.
The guy is so very obviously either a Kibble plant. Maybe an employee or perhaps a member of their PR team but his constant presence on this site is a clear sign that he's on a mission to overcome any dissenters from the Kibble party line. For example, he refers to " a few minor issues" - a training ground that is still unfit for purpose 4 or 5 months after the season ended? A minor issue? No, that's very much a major issue - one of many major issues. I decided a wee while ago not to engage in any further dialogue with him as it's a complete waste of time. He's simply a Kibble apologist whose "opinions" are worthless.
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13 hours ago, animal said:
I have just seen this posted on the St. Mirren Fans face book page and on John White the Liaison officer’s face book page.
"Asigura Facilities Management Ltd are delighted to have secured the stewarding contract at St Mirren Football Club. It is our aim to engage with the club, the fans and all interested parties to enhance the match day experience for all involved.
Asigura Facilities Management Ltd are currently recruiting for both Safety Stewards and SIA Licensed Stewards, the rates of pay will vary between £10-£12 per hour depending on the role”.
I was wondering who the stewards were at the recent Hearts game. The one I spoke to did not even know which stand was which.
A quick Google search will tell you that Asigura Facilities Management has only one director, £100 in share capital, has filed no accounts since it was set up in March 2020. The sole director is Darren Baillie who is listed elsewhere as a joiner. The Company is registered at a house in Airdrie. He was previously a director of Renderworks Ltd another Airdrie company.
Given these folk are responsible for our (and our children’s) safety at the ground I am a bit worried. Is there any truth is the rumour that this company will also be doing the catering ? Is there any connection directly or indirectly with Kibble ?
Asking for a friend.
Wow! Aren't Renderworks the company responsible for Ralston, the catering and also the stadium maintenance?
Should John Needham resign due to inappropriate comments?
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Well, Bazil, there you have it - you have removed any doubt in my mind that you have a Kibble agenda. It's there for us all to see. You don't think that the Kibble directors need to be at the AGM? What nonsense! They have steadfastly refused to have face to face contact with other shareholders and fans, indeed no direct contact at all!
The Kibble have been on our board since March 2020 and yet you're trying to pin the blame on our chairman? In spite of my using temperate, calm language on here you resort to emotive, argumentative phrases such as "The moaners on this website are consistently shown not to be a majority of our fans". Let me to adopt one of your favourite cliché's - where is your evidence?
You are correct in saying that "Kibble will be changing things behind the scenes regarding our operations" but, sadly, it's not for the better - and the evidence is there for everyone to see.
You even tie yourself in knots in your attempt to defend your Kibble paymasters/pals when you declare "Not attending AGM/ Meetings. This isn’t a big deal for me, it further fuels the us vs them mentality. Kibble directors are part of the St Mirren board & the St Mirren family." It's the opposite - if Kibble were part of the family they would be in attendance but they are cute - I'm certain they are already planting seeds for non attendance because they simply do not want to face the shareholders. It's unheard of for two board members to constantly avoid the fans scrutiny and it's certainly unethical.
Referring back to my post I asked simple questions i.e.
"Bazil, do you agree that they should in all good conscience attend the AGM in person and face up to the questions that will undoubtedly be posed from the members" In replying that you don't, you have put on display for the entire forum to see that you have an agenda and now, more than ever, I'm confident that you have a Kibble connection, whether that be as an employee or not.
I also asked "Do you think that they should confirm or deny that they have issued a legal threat?" Like Trump and Johnson you completely failed to answer that simple question instead you answered like a slippery, dishonest politician and said "why Kibble are being automatically labelled the bad guy for this when our chairman has just been fined by the SFA for his behaviour online. " My point is not, and never has been, about John Needham - that's a separate issue and you have tried to muddy the waters by bringing him into this exchange.
You are very aware that the club is in a downward spiral. You are as aware as anyone of the dangers they pose to our club yet you still defend them. You refuse to carry out the research I asked of you. Refused to ask questions. Shame on you, sir, you do not have St.Mirren's best interests at heart. I have tried reasonable, logical debate but you have an agenda, that much is obvious.
It's clear that many contributors here hold your "opinions" with contempt and I only hope that those that don't can now be persuaded to see through your clear agenda.
I'll sum up by leaving your quote so that your unreasonable, illogical stance can be highlighted. At a time when Kibble have threatened legal action against the custodians of our club your view is this: "Kibble directors are part of the St Mirren board & the St Mirren family. Do I think every director needs to be present at an AGM? No I don’t. "
Wow. That says it all.