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So with the combined talent of the CIC proposers and all the prospective old grammarian sausage roll thief self-promoting talent nothing can be done to get a basic document out to the wider support. You'll no be getting my vote.
Don't thik he will need it as you are too shy to stand.
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He might be starting to wish my input would disappear. I am starting to become very cynical at the lack of detail being made publically available. It is starting to smack of job done f"k the rest of the support.
The meeting the other night was okay. Some reassurances about the CIC actually going ahead. However there was very little about what happens post takeover. A draft constition was wafted around and a SAD document made available to submit skill details.
I want to see a powerful Saints fan BoD with genuine influence on decision making at the club. Otherwise what was the point and the other concerns about the football being the CICs priority could rise again. The lack of public detail being supplied about how this will work is a concern. We need something more than an org chart that I could rattle up in word in a matter of seconds.
The fans need influence if football is going to be the CICs top priority rather than a bi-product.
We now appear to be entering a phase were the communication is going to be limited to CIC Members. What's the f'k'n brain wave there when we are supposed to be one town, one club.....it looks like we are becoming one club, two supports. I would like to see a document that outlines what the CIC will mean to the football club and for it to be distributed to all of the support - leave it on their seats to read at the next home game....have a tear off section for supporters to say for / against and for their comments.
There's no point in doing this half-arsed...get everyone on board, get everyone's buy in. If we are 99% certain with only a technical formality delaying the takeover then surely someone can publish 4,000 documents with a feedback section to the support.
At the moment it has a feel of getting away with it, rather than being a great moment in the history of the club - which is what it should be.
Your Rant is priceless
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.....not once did I belittle anyone in any way who didn't deserve it. I merely provided helpful feedback in character.
As I said a while back it is time to move on; however there is a risk in moving on without the full backing of the support. A reasonable challenge to the potential candidates (who will be the new targets for belittling by the way - they should have to earn their sausage rolls.
) will be how they sell the CIC to supporters not yet signed up, and how they sell the CIC to non-members who will continue to support the club, but not necessarily the CIC. If they cannot sell the CIC to the wider support now then they are going to have a very hard time making a success of the CIC one it is up and running. We need the strongest team possible and besides it will be fun setting them tasks to prove their worth and earn our votes.
The only thing on the minds of supporters who are not interested in the CIC is the performance of the team and results. We currently have around 2500 STH and 1500 who attend games through choice. If we are playing good football and getting results both these figures will increase. I can understand what you are saying but I think the vast majority outwith the 900 plegers are not against the CIC and don't give a toss about the boards. I hope the fans board won't carry any real power outwith trying to generate more money for the club which i'm sure Div,Polza , Tsu etc can do. Leave the big decisions to the quality we have on the other boards and we will become the best small club in Scotland with a united support.
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Good summary from Dibble
Some other points;
798 people have pledged individual support for the CIC
Around 500 of those have returned completed direct debit forms
The 24 target for community members has been reached and surpassed
The corporate membership target is difficult to measure as some corporate organisations are looking to group together to take out joint/group membership. The CIC welcomes this approach but there are some concerns about ensuring voting rights remain fair among the corporate members so this is still being worked through.
There is a 22 page document which outlines the processes and procedures that will underpin the CIC and this document is currently being worked on and refined ready for launch.
The construction of the members bar area will begin as soon as the deal is completed. The design, costings, contractors etc are all in place and the experience of GLS in the project will be very valuable given his experience in the construction industry and the build of the stadium.
I think we should all appreciate the hard work REA has put into this over a VERY long period of time. Like most of us I have become frustrated at a never ending timescale but wish to acknowledge the durability of our CIC board under Richard to see this through. I have posted before the fact he is one of very few candidates to acheive this goal (Stuart Dickson disagrees) and i still think some of the funders do not have the means to agree anything within a modern timescale. A lesser man would have walked away long ago and we should all repay him with our support and appreciation.
Complete aside, but the elimination of c*ltic, r*ngers and Hearts from Europe tonight will cost Saints "several thousand pounds" due to some sort of UEFA "solidarity fund" whatever that is
Some of the funding to complete the deal is sitting in a bank account but the CIC don't want to draw it down until the full £2m is in place.
There will be an interim football board appointed on completion of the deal who will steer the club through to the AGM which takes place in December. Those board members will be able to stand for election at that time if they so wish. The initial interim board will be made up of individuals within the CIC who it is felt have the best skills to deal with the early challenges. I'd expect GLS and Tony Fitz to both join that board but that part is just my opinion !
GLS will not be "representing the 48%" as such. He feels that divisions like 48% vs CIC are negative and that everyone should pull together and work together to take the club forward once the deal completes.
Deal "should" complete any time now, but after that it will be "around 6 weeks" before all the legal paperwork is completed, the shares change hands, and the CIC becomes the majority shareholder in the club.
The kit deal with JD is very financially rewarding for the club and whilst there have been teething problems (availability of socks etc) the general result of the kit and training kit deal with JD has been very good for the club. There was absolutely no fall out with Alan Provan.
The club retains the rights to the merchandising (ie all the other club related stuff) and is working on improving the club shop. This will merge with the ticket office to allow fans much more accessibility to buy Saints merchandise (and tickets !) as well as up-selling gear when people are in buying match tickets. It was accepted that the club shop could be better but the club is trialling ranges at the moment to work out what sells and does not want to tie up lots of cash in stock. All lines are on very short order lead times so stock will be replenished between home games.
The cash flow problems that have dogged the club in recent years have been worked on very hard over the last year and the current budget, which makes no provision at all for ANY cup cash or extra TV games, should mean there are no cash flow issues, but there is provision to cover any issue in future (through Maxi) if it were needed in an emergency situation.
I think they are the salient points I can remember !
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Good summary from Dibble
Some other points;
798 people have pledged individual support for the CIC
Around 500 of those have returned completed direct debit forms
The 24 target for community members has been reached and surpassed
The corporate membership target is difficult to measure as some corporate organisations are looking to group together to take out joint/group membership. The CIC welcomes this approach but there are some concerns about ensuring voting rights remain fair among the corporate members so this is still being worked through.
There is a 22 page document which outlines the processes and procedures that will underpin the CIC and this document is currently being worked on and refined ready for launch.
The construction of the members bar area will begin as soon as the deal is completed. The design, costings, contractors etc are all in place and the experience of GLS in the project will be very valuable given his experience in the construction industry and the build of the stadium.
Complete aside, but the elimination of c*ltic, r*ngers and Hearts from Europe tonight will cost Saints "several thousand pounds" due to some sort of UEFA "solidarity fund" whatever that is
Some of the funding to complete the deal is sitting in a bank account but the CIC don't want to draw it down until the full £2m is in place.
There will be an interim football board appointed on completion of the deal who will steer the club through to the AGM which takes place in December. Those board members will be able to stand for election at that time if they so wish. The initial interim board will be made up of individuals within the CIC who it is felt have the best skills to deal with the early challenges. I'd expect GLS and Tony Fitz to both join that board but that part is just my opinion !
GLS will not be "representing the 48%" as such. He feels that divisions like 48% vs CIC are negative and that everyone should pull together and work together to take the club forward once the deal completes.
Deal "should" complete any time now, but after that it will be "around 6 weeks" before all the legal paperwork is completed, the shares change hands, and the CIC becomes the majority shareholder in the club.
The kit deal with JD is very financially rewarding for the club and whilst there have been teething problems (availability of socks etc) the general result of the kit and training kit deal with JD has been very good for the club. There was absolutely no fall out with Alan Provan.
The club retains the rights to the merchandising (ie all the other club related stuff) and is working on improving the club shop. This will merge with the ticket office to allow fans much more accessibility to buy Saints merchandise (and tickets !) as well as up-selling gear when people are in buying match tickets. It was accepted that the club shop could be better but the club is trialling ranges at the moment to work out what sells and does not want to tie up lots of cash in stock. All lines are on very short order lead times so stock will be replenished between home games.
The cash flow problems that have dogged the club in recent years have been worked on very hard over the last year and the current budget, which makes no provision at all for ANY cup cash or extra TV games, should mean there are no cash flow issues, but there is provision to cover any issue in future (through Maxi) if it were needed in an emergency situation.
I think they are the salient points I can remember !
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Got an email through earlier to confirm that the CIC Members meeting is going ahead on Thursday.
Vote SID!!!!!!!
Sid's a Twat............I'm voting Sid.
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My first priority has and always will be - getting chips and irn bru on the menu.
Danny is going nowhere - he loves St Mirren and the opportunity he has here.
I remember Danny Lennon's greatest game. Mid 1980's Hibs v Aberdeen. For saints fans too young it was the same as Mark Corcoran v Motherwell ........Danny ran the show and as I had not seen him before I thought this is a great young player who will play for Scotland .Danny was 25 and it was to be his finest hour as a player. He has more than proved his worth as a manager and must be offered a 5 year contract. As we move to a CIC next week I will expect this to be the main priority for fans wishing election.
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VERY! VERY! GOOD DAY TO BE A BUDDIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Danny Lennon has the brassest of balls - great wee interview on the beeb were he gets all gushy about our great support.
This is a special time for us and has to include the great Danny Lennon/ Tommy Craig partnership for at least 5 years. If like some of the previous posts you think it's a gamble.......I would say it's a bigger one not to do it. And as you are standing for election Sid can you tell me as a voter if this will be your no1 priority?
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As our CIC will be comepleted in the next week or so I can't believe my concerns in the delay regarding the team have been so unfounded. Danny Lennon has secured 2 frormer Internationalists and a certain Nigel Hasselbaink. Although Gus got our hopes up with Dargo and Wyness I think the players we have now are the real deal. I was firmly in the camp of McPherson and I think he lost out when trying to take us forward by the fact Wyness was finished and Dargo injury prone. But Gus would never have played the Danny Lennon way and it is this that can make us great again under a CIC. The CIC will allow us to keep our better players for longer and increase our attendance which must be the priority of the CIC as far as the club is concerned. The catch 22 scenario applies to us in that the fans will only come out on a regular basis if the team is entertaining and winning. To be entertaining and winning you need the money from a hell of a lot more fans paying at the gate!
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I've got to say there is an interesting paradox developing here. Contrary to your beliefs I understand exactly how the club can secure NHS and Social Care grants using the facilities at Ralston. I'm also perfectly aware about the bid process for education grants as well. After all I cited the model at Spartans some time ago on here.
However whilst all of that is fantastic for raising revenue for the CiC, it isn't going to put more supporters in the seats at St Mirren Park. Now whilst I couldn't give a flying chuff about St Mirren I've shown, on the back of a fag packet, how St Mirren - not 10000hours - St Mirren, could benefit from having just 10 juvenile football clubs as Community Members. I've shown how that could deliver as many as 650 SFA Qualified youth scouts free of charge, scouting around 30,000 youth footballers of all ages from right across the central belt. I've shown how it would give St Mirren the opportunity to target around 3,100 football mad kids. I've even shown how the model would work by giving them tickets to see their local team play against St Mirren and even better than that I've created a model that would mean there isn't any need at all for St Mirren to give up time at Ralston to accommodate a team from Wishaw, because no LFDA opponent would entertain playing in a location so far outside of the region. More than that, it doesn't have to be an either / or. It's simply one small idea that I think might be worth exploring.....yet St Stupid here is so desperate to rubbish it and do it down that he hasn't even noticed that his alternative won't put any extra football fans through the turnstyle.
....and still people think I'm being harsh when I point out St Mirren fans are too stupid to make the most of the opportunity presented....
Thankfully we have you Stuart and your voice of reason. As you were once a St Mirren fan and stupid you found a way of ditching your club to become a highly intelligent being. Now we have your plan for youth football I think we should ditch the fans board, REA and SG and just let you get on with it.
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I like REA and I'd give him a great deal of credit for what he has achieved, but to claim he is one of only a few that could have done this is nonsense. Have a look around, there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of CIC's out there already. Many being run by people who have absolutely no experience of running their own business. You're claim that St Mirren are the only club who could receive a boost from a CIC model is made even more laughable when you know that Edinburgh Spartans, Stenhousmuir and Clyde are already CIC's, that Partick Thistle, Dundee and Wishaw Juniors / Wishaw Ladies are considering becoming CiC's and that Carloanne Dempster at Motherwell has already announced that Motherwell are looking at becoming a community run club. And that's ignoring the fact that the likes of Street Soccer is already a successful SEN, as is the Homeless World Cup.
Secondly I hope you aren't suggesting that 10000hours become an exclusive club only open to St Mirren supporters at Individual Members level. Apart from that being totally against the principles of the funding bodies I also know that it is not part of 10000hours business plan.
Time will tell Stuart but I think the CIC's you mention are small and do not have the potential to raise a significant increase in support. We have massive potential and our club is unique in that it ticks all the boxes for a top flight CIC. A year from now Stuart we will see who's right. I personaly have no problem with you joining 10000hrs .....the only question i have raised is why?
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Oh Ok....so you aren't interested in Community or Corporate Members if they aren't all St Mirren supporters?
What about Mr Atkinson himself? Was he a St Mirren supporter when he started all this?And people question me when I say St Mirren supporters are too thick for this....
Stuart with all due respect can you not see where your posts are going?.... You are declairing yourself as the only voice of reason on here by saying All the St Mirren members who have signed up for the CIC are thick.... and you being a non supporter who has major issues with the club chairman and board have all the answers. As for REA not being a St Mirren supporter I think this fact is very different to your own situation. He is leading this venture and you are not. He became aware of the club through a series of events (hopefully not unfortunate!) and our club is the only one capable of acheiving a massive boost by becoming a CIC. He is not a supporter of any club but I am 100% sure he is one of only a small number of buisnessmen who could have spent the time and effort to deliver this model. Community members will come on board if it is a win/win situation regardless of who they support, Corporate members will judge for themselves whether £10000 will give them a return from their association with the club regardless of who they support. However I will never see why anyone would take an individual membership unless they support the club.
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Do you know Div, I think it's just symptomatic of the problem that 10000hours are going to face. Reborn Saint insists over and over again that he deals with these funding bodies and yet he kept on claiming that somehow the funding bodies were getting a fantastic deal here and that Richard Atkinson was in some way flawed for not trying to hold a gun to their head. Now he's claiming that if 10000hours conclude this deal suddenly St Mirren will be the third best team in the league. The worry for the CIC has to be that there are circa 800 other nutters out there who have signed up to part with £10 per month with the same ridiculous ideas and expectations.
I know I don't need to explain this to you Div, but for Reborns sake I think it's worth expressing. If/when this deal goes though what happens is that St Mirren FC will have new majority shareholders. Those majority shareholders have an innovative and interesting business model, one which I personally think is the future for many of our sports clubs at all levels in the coming years. There is potential in the business model for spin offs that will boost the income and earnings of the football club if those elected to the football club board are intelligent enough to understand the opportunity, however there is just as much potential that all St Mirren will see out of this is new owners who run the club in the same way that it's been run for the last 13 years - which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it's never going to see St Mirren achieve the kind of heights Reborn Saint is boldly predicting.
I hope the deal goes though - it would be nice if it was this week. I've outlined my ideas in detail for anyone to pick up or ignore so there's no need for me to offer any assistance other than to pay my tenner a month. I'll be watching with interest and for all I couldn't give a toss about St Mirren's results I will be cheering on the CIC the whole way and I'll be looking to learn as much as I can as the SFA and the local authority in NL are wanting to create something very similar in Wishaw.
Ok Stuart the games up. As I have already posted on here I can be a bit of a twat, spit the dummy out and rant about the funding bodies which do genuinely annoy me. I have never been against the CIC and am delighted it is going ahead. This site dosn't deal in reality and my position in the CIC will be to vote for a fans board which I am certain will contain enough quality to make the decisions they are allowed to make which rightly will not affect the long term direction of the club. I am totaly convinced the extra revenue we can create will allow us to challange for 3rd place but if I am wrong I will not be shouting from the rafters about how this didn't happen. My position will be to back it, vote for the fans board, support it by attending the events and if I feel something needs highlighting I will do it through the proper channels created by the CIC. Footall is a game and St Mirren are my club. I want them to acheive as much as they can but there are much more important things in life than football. Your suggestion that I and other supporters are some sort of rabble is laughable and I still have no idea why you wish to be involved as a non supporter.... that's like me wanting to get involved with another club like Motherwell. The only reason anyone should be involved in 10000hrs CIC is because they are St Mirren supporters....personaly I would pay £10 per month for no return if I was sure the club would benifit.
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Fantastic news. The CIC is a great prospect in the long term but for now I for one am loving the football. Came away from the Motherwell game gutted but also pleased at the performance from the team which over rules everything.
These are fantastic times
Fantastic is just the begining. Once the cic takes over we could be challenging for 3rd. You need to bring 2 people who don't normally come to New St Mirren Park at the next home game against C*ltic to remain a Lochwinnoch Saint.
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Has there been some sort of development? Or has it been completed?
It is now a fact......Thursday 18th August will be the date of completion.
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Great news the cic is finaly going ahead. My personal view has always been that this is a great idea and my anger has always been directed at the funding bodies who take an eternity to make a decision. However that is not a reason to doubt the integrity of REA and the long journey he has been on(I'm not sure any one else would have prevailed). My £10 per month goes into the pot with the confidence of helping the club and I need nothing in return.
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This CiC is the only credible deal in town. Love it or loathe it , the proposed deal is the reality involved in moving on the 52% ers...............
Lets see where we are a year from now, meantime , what's most important...........................supporting the team , our team St Mirren FC , the team from Paisley that SG et al ensured had a positive and fundamentally viable future.
Surely St Mirren fans can concentrate on single tasking , supporting OUR club. Lets leave the semantics, the idle speculation and the whatsinaname bollox for fat pedants or those in need of an ego rub or a pissin contest
Cumoantaefuc people, we are on the cusp of some possible decent happenings...............
Can we copy Glee then Seaside? and sing "We are all in this together" at our next game?
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Glad to hear that you are back on board Buddie! However, pick a side and stick to it FFS!!!
Yea I can understand your post and accept it 100% but I have never been against the CIC, only the funding bodies time scales and lack of information. I have had dealings with them in the past at a much lower level and I have to accept now that my rants were out of order as we procede towards St Mirren becoming a CIC. My true fear was that relegation would damage the embryo at birth and all it had to offer would be lost. I could not have been more wrong as Danny Lennon has given us a real reason to believe in the team before the CIC takes control. The CIC will take us to a new level by delivering a sustainable income which will allow us to both keep players and attract new ones. There is one important thing to remember in all of this and it is the fact that the funding bodies will gain a massive resource for a fraction of the price they would normaly have to invest in. We are in a win/win situation but never forget the value of the deal to the state.
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It's amazing how things can change in a year. Step up and accept the adulation of the humble saints fans for your great work in creating the best attacking side we have seen since the early eighties. Danny Lennon and Tommy Craig should be given 5 year contracts asap.
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You forgot to mention highly risky.
Having collected my dummy from the pram I am delighted that the cic is finaly going ahead. I did not expect the revoloution on the park this season to be as great as it is now having witnessed the last 3 games. The signings of Thompson,Teale and Hasselbank gave us great heart but the football produced has been sublime. The end game for us has to be more people attending games and a bigger player buget to keep our momentum going. I have no doubts the cic is the only way we can acheive this and the first priority must be to get Danny Lennon on a 5 year contract. This can not only be a very special year but a year that makes us a genuine force in football for ever.
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Shouldn't the topic title end with "?"? Or have I missed the confirmation?
I am happy it is going through, but dosn't it say something for the funding bodies that there are 3 dates for completion ?. They would never survive in a buisness world and are shockingly incompetent in the use of time. Let no one be in any doubt we are doing them a BIG favour.
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He doesnt know, he is a cock and he gets a kick from people like you engaging with him
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I bothered to find out about the CIC because it affects the football club I support. I had concerns, I asked the questions, I got answers.
I went to the public meeting, I heard other peoples concerns, I noted the answers and even put them on a public website verbatim to try and communicate them to fans who couldn't attend.
I made my own mind up about the CIC and whether it was good for the club or not because I COULD be bothered.
I have said before I will be joining the CIC as an individual member, nothing more. I am not "getting" anything out of the CIC any more than any other St.Mirren supporter who wants to see the club try something different. If it doesn't work it doesn't work, the club goes back up for sale and is sold to someone else who may or may not be good for the club.
You can make your own mind up about "Yul" and "Animal", both the same person, and their agenda about trying to de-rail the CIC. Ask yourself why they attended the public meetings yet said NOTHING, why they refused a 1:1 offer from Richard and the team to address their concerns in person, why they ignored a request to attend a public debate, them versus the CIC to air all their concerns in public ?
Why would they continue to hide ? What is it they are trying or hoping to achieve ?
They may well have very valid concerns and if they do I'd love to hear them but all I am hearing is bitching about not being able to buy a scarf.
The time delay is unforgivable and as a previous supporter of the cic I will now be withdrawing my direct debit. As a massive supporter of the plan on here it is now clear that 10000hrs have neither the balls to set a date or continue any momentum towards a conclusion. The lack of information is pathetic and this will be my last post on here. It is clear to me now that Richard Atkinson has neither the ability or insight to take this forward. As the club will be sold i fear the worst so thank you and goodbye.
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How can there be no information if the post clearly states that the CIC expect the answer they need in July. I mean it mentions the CIC, it mentions the answer the need and it mentions a month.
I spoke with Richard at the kit launch last Friday and he said pretty much the same thing. There have also been a few people on this thread highlighting the same thing. Just how many times and in how many ways do you need various people to tell you the same thing?
The problem I have is with the funding bodies......I think they should have agreed to the deal in May or June. As it stands 10000hrs will not be able to complete the work of creating the facility we need to generate the extra income for the start of next season. As i beleive the benefits are very clear for both the community and the club , I feel a sense of disappointment in the timescale. How much time is realy needed to support or walk away from this deal? Bureaucracy is a sad fact of our self interest society and I still await all the funding managers proclaiming their support of this deal ......for me much too late and they are mostly total twats
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I think you will be on the board as you have skills to offer. You have my vote anyway.