[Why are we treated like this?]

1 minute ago, Sonny said:

Good for you. I do not applaud the initiative. Maybe you got served ok as the attendances have dropped and people have stopped going for a pie and a piss and half-time as they cannot be arsed waiting in the queues.

The freebie tickets could easily have been for any of the stands to accommodate the take-up and the Away stand opened for Away supporters leaving the West Bank Home supporters with decent facilities.

 

Good thread Vambo. I too am annoyed that the busiest stand has the least facilities for the Home support.

I share your views that the West Stand could have further facilities.

[Dumbarton v St Mirren SPFL Championship 17/9/16]

I take a different view. I go for a narrow win for Saints with other difficult games to come but over the season doing enough to finish mid table.

But I saw the games against Dumbarton last season and they are no mugs.

Time will tell. I may just be an eternal optimist.

Or a fool.

Either is possible.

[Buy The Buds]

I would like to return to the question of the ownership of the company and club.

My understanding is that the desired outcome is that fans will own 52% of the club after buying out the new Chairman with 48% owned by others.

Ownership of 75.1% is needed, as I understand it, to have complete control.

This present is likely to severely restrain the ability of the fans group or nominees or equivalent in raising funds, issuing new shares etc.

Are there any plans in place to address this?

 

 

 

[Ben Gordon]

Just now, billyg said:

No shit Sherlock ?

Never claimed to be clever billyg.

[Why are we treated like this?]

3 hours ago, Stu said:

As well as it pissing off our own fans, there's also the cost aspect. I'd assumed away fans were put in the West Stand because it was cheaper than opening up a whole stand. On Saturday we had the cost of stewarding the away section of the west stand and opening up what is normally the away end - and to folk with free tickets, so it wasn't as if we were raking in extra cash. Why couldn't the free ticket folk be put in the south stand? Perhaps this could be used as an example if the club claim they put the away fans in the west stand to save cash.

Of course, Saturday was all part of the brilliant plan to have Saints fans in both stands behind the goals to roar the team on to victory. We should focus on filling three stands before worrying about a fourth. I'd even go further and have the south stand closed for games against the likes of Queens, Ayr etc because there's nowhere near enough home fans at the moment. You'd really only need it for the derbies and maybe Hibs and Dundee United.

I applaud the initiative. I see no real problem and managed to get my pies in from the pie stall without queuing.

Happy to support initiatives to bring all areas of the ground into play but do see that going by other posts in this thread that a number of others take a different view.

[Ben Gordon]

Boards of Directors appoint the managerial team. Ours chose Alex Rae and his team. This worked a treat last season.

But

I do recall Alex Rae expressing the view that he had missed out on some of his potential signing targets as we were not secure until after the transfer window had opened.

My view - maybe not yours - is that the manager works within the budget agreed and within this adds or disposes of the players within this.As such, Alex Rae is doing exactly this.

He will either stay and go on to greater things with us before moving on of his own choice or be relieved of his post by the board if not.

My choice with the budget freed up would be to add cover for Rocco Quinn and strengthen our midfield.

Our defence is too often left open to fast breaks that could or should be cut out before it reaches them.

Just my opinion as a fan, not an expert.

 

[Speculation Thread]

On Monday, September 05, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Eaglesham saint said:

Rangers have freed a central midfielder Andy Murdoch played against Saints under 20s  ,he looked OK and had 1st team experience in this league last 2 seasons

Decent player. A more experienced player might be needed however as covet for the injured Mighty Quinn.  In my opinion  

[Dumbarton v St Mirren SPFL Championship 17/9/16]

Played "Upper Barshaw" once with a non mason member. OK but I didn't go back. No disrespect but there are better courses in the area around Paisley.

[Let's Stick Together.]

Thank you for the encouraging words guys.

[Let's Stick Together.]

Who can say it better or with more authority than our St Tony?

Let's stick together says Tony Fitzpatrick

I am with him - are you?

Let's Stick Together - My song of the moment for the Saints.

 

[Our Mission at Saint Mirren is to.....Discuss.]

4 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

Empty words, just more of your "I know better than everyone else" mantra - it was drivel the first time I read it and it's still drivel.

All I want for my £20 is two teams on the park for 90-odd minutes. Success on the park is cyclical and IMO at least 50% luck, we'll get promoted sometime in the next 7 seasons and we'll probably win another major trophy in about 2040 - that'll do me if I'm still around and haven't succumbed to senility. I'm happy with a BoD who want to be running the club, if I wanted to follow (follow) a successful trophy winning c(h)lub I'd have looked slightly further afield.

What attracted you to the club Bud?

[Our Mission at Saint Mirren is to.....Discuss.]

4 hours ago, Liverpool Bud said:

Slightly off topic but relevant none the less

ive found fans of the old firm fall into two distinct categories 

1 the Neanderthal bunch who can't understand why you don't support one of the two " big clubs" and think that by virtue of the school you attended - area you lived in - job you do that pre selects you to have to support one or the other 

2 the slightly more moderate ones who have a grudging respect for those individuals who choose to follow their local team

Sad if still true as far as the first category.

[What Music says how you feel about Saint Mirren?]

8 hours ago, Froggie said:

Currently a dirge from a certain Polish classical composer, unfortunately.

Which one Froggie?

[What Music says how you feel about Saint Mirren?]

1 hour ago, Frank McGarvey' wonky legs said:

One for JD and the BOD after the way the fans are being treated year on year with the strips fiasco.
Simple Minds Don't you forget about me. But its now like Del Amitri. Nothing ever happens.

Sense of humour I see. 

[Dumbarton v St Mirren SPFL Championship 17/9/16]

30 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

The players look like they've got cement shoes on. Does that count?

Doesn't help St L,

[Third times a charm]

Certainly unusual Jono.Quite musical, lyrical even.

[What Music says how you feel about Saint Mirren?]

8 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

I've already copyrighted that song - coupla years back!

However I'll gift it to ya!

***************

I'll throw in this classic 70's track.........

 

I like this too. Great before the team comes out.

[Our Mission at Saint Mirren is to.....Discuss.]

Thanks Bud

[What Music says how you feel about Saint Mirren?]

Next up for me however is "Crying over you"

 

[Third times a charm]

How about cover for the goalkeeper (young lad did well with the under 20s tonight. Not at fault for the goals.)

[What Music says how you feel about Saint Mirren?]

My starter is of course "Oh when the Saints go Marching in"

Feel free to add music that you associate with the club.

The different versions, represent to me, different approaches to expressing how our varied fan base come to this song from different angles.

 

 

[Money, Money, Money]

Freddy Mercury sang it.

Barcelona.

Money,Money,Money which can afford the best of talent 7 ...... Scottish Champions (not exactly down to their last Million 0)

 

[Our Mission at Saint Mirren is to.....Discuss.]

8 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said:

I get that Stuart. What I am attempting to do is to give us fans an opportunity on here to dry to divine and then define what our purpose and mission are or rather to redefine it in the current context. Having done that, it is possible to set goals or objectives, prioritise these and then be able to articulate these to the owners, managers, staff and other stakeholders.

For what it is worth, I became a St Mirren supporter, along with my 2 sons and their friends back in 1974. I saw the club as representing the largest town in Scotland, one with a "guid conceit" of itself, a hard working town with the highest savings ratio per head in the country. Football in the town was of course reinvigorated by the appointment of a charismatic young manager..now Sir  Alex Ferguson. This also suited myself, my sons and friends as it removed us from the usual west of Scotland Old Firm stuff.

The club of course changed the manager but continued to move on and up until ............the rest you know.

The point is - What is our purpose now? What is our mission as an organisation?

 

8 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said:

That's part of it. I've got real problems putting it into words. It's just loads of wee changes in attitude, ethics, and in professionalism that together would, IMO, propel the club forward.

There is merit in arguing performances on the pitch drives support. Of course it does. The problem is sustainability. How can you ensure that the club consistently finish in the top five in Scotland, and how do you stop numbers from dwindling when raised expectations aren't met. There has to be changes off the park that ensures sustainability on the pitch. That's what I'm driving at.

 

 

[St Mirren Under 20's 2016/17]

Another end to end game played at a fast pace. In my opinion,  Hibs had the better of the first half. Saints came into the game and scored an outrageous goal by Shsnkland.  A breakaway from a Saints corner enabled the visitors to score a well taken goal with the last kick of the game. Dissapointing but number of good individual performances.

[Our Mission at Saint Mirren is to.....Discuss.]

5 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said:

The clubs got to be better than it is now. More professional in everything it does, better at being the centre of the community, focused at driving up standards on and off the park and doing much more to increase the visibility and reputation of the club.

Who could take issue with this? Not me, but perhaps you could shape those into a vision that can be articulated and then objectives could be discussed.  It sounds to me that you are suggesting something like that we should be the most successful community owned and run club in Scotland. ...but please don't let me put words into your mouth.