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Slarti

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  1. Israel perhaps more so, as the State of Israel helped usher in the creation of Hamas because it saw its leaders and activists as “religious”  thus “good” - and not militant like Fatah or PFLP.
    The Israelis even arrested Muslim Brotherhood leader in Gaza, Ahmad Yassin, with a stockpile of weapons, but let him go when he explained they were to be used against secular Palestinians, like Fatah.
    Religious bigots sticking together…
    Maybe there's a new thread needed, "Absolute Total Cunts".


  2. That could be said of many of the presenters on TOTP and ì don't recall thinking anything along them lines when he presented Jim'll Fix It. 
    Hindsight eh? 


    I did, and I know a few others who did. Then again, opinion isn't proof, no matter what some on here say.
  3. I take it Hamas provided these figures? I guess this is the cost of using your citizens as human shields, Barbarism.
    I'd assume that being as densely populated as London and having nearly half the population under 18 has something to do with it, too. Also, being a religiously motivated organisation, I would expect Hamas to have its fair share of young impressionable "boy soldiers".

    Again, to be clear, both sides are total cunts in this.
  4. 34 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

    I don’t think we could ever get to a point where they got none, but I do wish our ground was designed in such a way where we could give them a small section of 300/400. Maybe that’s one of the best reasons for filling in our corners. Make sure one is sealed off with its own entrance, a bog and a pie shop. Job done 😄

    A bog like the old Love Street ones - roofless and basically just a wall to piss against.  Is my dislike for them coming across enough?

  5. When did they leave for the game?
    I was in Dundee last night and all routes in/out were gridlocked due to the combination of roadworks and a bad accident.
    As for flares ALL clubs should get rid of these idiots.
    It was reported on Radio Scotland that Sevco had advised their fans to leave early due to expected heavy traffic. [emoji1787]
  6. And you took my comment off on some sort of an anti OF tangent, off topic too.
    An anti Kibble shareholding rant would have been off topic too, but we are stuck with them for now.
    Whoever the Kibble reps on our board support is irrelevant and off topic.
    All board members MUST act in the best interest of the club.
    My comment was to highlight the difficulties that the OP would have 
    They are required to by law. That doesn't mean that they will. After all, everyone is required by law to not rob banks.


  7. I'm in contact regularly with around 20 - 30 Saints fans from different walks of life, some of whom are members of SMISA, and not one of them could care less about the situation being discussed.
    These are all guys in their mid-fifties and over. They're all relatively intelligent individuals.
    Their teenage children are all Saints fans too.
    Guess what? They couldn't give a shit either.
    I'm sort of using that as a general indicator of the Saints support as a whole. Maybe I'm wrong and there a re thousands of fans losing sleep over this.
     


    I don't think anyone is claiming to be losing sleep over it.

    If you, and those you know, don't care about the integrity of SMFC board members, then that's your choice.


  8. So we're in our best position on and off the park for years and you're advocating change?
    As much as this is debated on here, the majority of St.Mirren fans, even those who are part of SMISA, couldn't give a shit a bout this matter, other than to point and laugh at "Mr.St.Mirren".


    How do you know the opinions of the majority of St Mirren fans?


  9. Sadly caught by cancer................... and no he didn't charge me for that little gem of advice, which I have tried to follow to the best of my abilities.
    Checking and double-checking texts and posts on here is hard going, especially with so many "learned" obervers out there............ I might catch on in another 15 years!


    I'm going to assume that was deliberate. [emoji16]
  10. I will quote the Joint Committee on Human Rights:
    “everyone has the right to free speech within the law” - https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/freedom-of-speech-challenges-and-the-role-of-public-private-and-civil-society-sectors-in-upholding-rights/
    The principle is the same - criminalising speech. It's the punishment and the manner in which the law is framed that's different. default_wink.png
     
    Only in this madhouse does a match thread descend into a debate on the definition of free speech! [emoji2957] I'll take responsibility for derailing this one and will bow out of this thread for ~25 hours, at least. [emoji4] 
    Quote mining at its best there, bud.

    What about this, from just before your quote?

    "Subsequent international agreements have recognised that the freedom is not an unrestricted right. For example, the European Convention on Human Rights, adopted in 1950, was explicit that the right may be limited by law. Article 10 of the convention reads that “everyone has the right to freedom of expression” and that this includes “freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers”. But it adds the caveat that restrictions may be imposed for a variety of reasons, including to protect the rights of others:

    The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

    The Joint Committee on Human Rights has summarised what this has come to mean in the UK. It said that “everyone has the right to free speech within the law” and noted that “unless it is unlawful, speech should usually be allowed”. The committee’s summary continued:

    The right extends further than just the right to make speeches. It extends to all forms of expression. Together, freedom of expression and freedom of association cover the right to form societies with lawful aims, even where those aims are not shared with the majority, and the right to peaceful protest.
    Free speech is not an absolute right: it is right that there are limitations to ensure that it is not exercised in a way which causes harm to others. We note the law prohibits speech which, for example, incites murder, violence or terrorism; stirs up racial hatred, or hatred to other groups; causes fear of violence, alarm or distress, constitutes harassment or is defamatory or malicious. It does not prohibit speech which others may find upsetting or offensive."


    Which is just a wordier way of saying what I said - freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequencies of your speech.


  11. So if the punishment is less severe and the prohibited speech not clearly defined, then it's free? I would argue the reverse is true, the vagueness of the law means that people are likely to be more cautious. However, the principle's the same: say the wrong thing and you will be punished. That's not free speech. 
    [mention=16936]Albanian Buddy[/mention] - do you not think it rather 'convenient' that the Celtic board are choosing this particular time to act on these alleged healthy and safety infringements attributed to the Green Brigade? Also, I like how they've left this until the day before tomorrow's game to give the shortest possible window they realistically can to prevent the organisation of demos, etc. 
    My plan for tomorrow night is to forget about the game completely. I will treat it like buying a lottery ticket - I would be ecstatic if we won, but I will essentially put it out of my mind and not seriously consider the possibility that we will get anything. I'm not even sure I will check the score, as I know I will get a number of messages if we pull off a shock result. 


    The principle is nowhere near the same.

    And it's FREEDOM OF SPEECH, not FREE SPEECH. There's a big difference and probably why you disagree. You're disagreeing with something that doesn't exist. One is the right to say things, the other is no cost for things said.
  12. Good on Celtic FC for taking action against the GB.
    If only the other half of the ugly sisters would take similar action against the singing of mindless sectarian songs as wintnessed on their recent visit to the SMISA Stadium. Apparently they find it quite acceptable for their fans to be singing in earshot of national TV cameras ....."up to our knees in ******** blood".
    Yet again the football and police authorities also choose to turn a deaf ear to this bile - I wonder why that is.
    We should be more strict and tell them that if any bigoted songs are heard then their allocation will be cut in half. If it happens again, then quartered. A third time, a one game ban. A fourth a two game ban. Etc. Same for standing. If it's put out as a condition for all clubs then they can't complain of victimisation.

    Not that the club will actually do any of that, though, as it will cost money.
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