Tonysaintee65
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7 minutes ago, waldorf34 said:
If its 4v 2 in favour of Smisa at board level then how have Kibble got their way so
8 minutes ago, waldorf34 said:If its 4v 2 in favour of Smisa at board level then how have Kibble got their way so often?
Oh that’s the easy part , the original 4 smisa appointees were bought into kibbles nonsense too,
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The Smisa AGM tonight, will be a bun fight, as usual, accusations, counter accusations, even anger at the machinations. What lies at the heart of this difficulty, in my opinion, is the mistaken belief that this joint venture between smisa and the kibble meant that these two bodies could come together and always work solely for the good of st mirren football club. That kibble would bring its ‘ world class’ business acumen to the table, work hand in glove with smisa to bring commercial success to the club and smisa members bought into this in droves. Which is fine.
the idea being 4 board members would represent the smisa group and 2 the kibble and would work together in the best interests of the club.
In hindsight? A tad naive, perhaps, because whichever way you look at this setup, kibble will always put kibble first, it will always have kibbles interest at heart, inland revenue, chairman’s tweets, lawyer’s letters etc. the shambles that was renderworks, pie stalls etc, stewarding? All for kibble.
While I don’t believe for a second that kibble don’t want st Mirren to succeed, I do,genuinely, believe they want success in furtherance of kibbles aims not the clubs.kibble put in their bid for government funding, purely for the financial benefit of kibble and that can’t be denied by anyone, it doesn’t benefit smfc in the slightest. They did it behind the boards back and used the charitable foundations name purely for kibble, they’ve used the board to twist the narrative, purely for kibble, they’ve blamed the council fora simple error purely for kibble, that is the facts in evidence. We all see the same picture, we choose to interpret it how we will.
but can we stop pretending that anything kibble does is for SMFC ? They will always act in kibble’s interest first and will always use smfc to further kibble. That’s how these things work. It’s just a slight pity that some buddies believed this would be different.
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The Smisa AGM tonight, will be a bun fight, as usual, accusations, counter accusations, even anger at the machinations. What lies at the heart of this difficulty, in my opinion, is the mistaken belief that this joint venture between smisa and the kibble meant that these two bodies could come together and always work solely for the good of st mirren football club. That kibble would bring its ‘ world class’ business acumen to the table, work hand in glove with smisa to bring commercial success to the club and smisa members bought into this in droves. Which is fine.
the idea being 4 board members would represent the smisa group and 2 the kibble and would work together in the best interests of the club.
In hindsight? A tad naive, perhaps, because whichever way you look at this setup, kibble will always put kibble first, it will always have kibbles interest at heart, inland revenue, chairman’s tweets, lawyer’s letters etc. the shambles that was renderworks, pie stalls etc, stewarding? All for kibble.
While I don’t believe for a second that kibble don’t want st Mirren to succeed, I do,genuinely, believe they want success in furtherance of kibbles aims not the clubs.kibble put in their bid for government funding, purely for the financial benefit of kibble and that can’t be denied by anyone, it doesn’t benefit smfc in the slightest. They did it behind the boards back and used the charitable foundations name purely for kibble, they’ve used the board to twist the narrative, purely for kibble, they’ve blamed the council fora simple error purely for kibble, that is the facts in evidence. We all see the same picture, we choose to interpret it how we will.
but can we stop pretending that anything kibble does is for SMFC ? They will always act in kibble’s interest first and will always use smfc to further kibble. That’s how these things work. It’s just a slight pity that some buddies believed this would be different.
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18 hours ago, bazil85 said:
See club statement. I choose to believe the football club I support & the people we have trusted to run the club over that rag paper.
Let’s be clear shall we? The club statement does say that kibble made an initial application naming the st Mirren charitable foundation as a partner in the bid, it wasn’t that was a lie by kibble, the board only became aware of this after the bid entered second funding phase, the charitable trust were still not aware till this point.It took a board decision to say that the charitable trust should be made aware of the application!
It was agreed that timely and appropriate discussions must take place regarding any potential projects in future to ensure that all stakeholders, directly involved or otherwise, were aware of the approach that was being taken.this is not a kibble bad story in the slightest. It’s simply kibble using their position within smfc for their own financial gain. Glad you agree baz.
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1 minute ago, Saintsarmy65 said:
Sent a PM to you. Im sure the rest of the fans on the forum would like you to answer the questions above though?
Well as I clearly stated, I won’t be answering your questions on a public forum, but will happily meet you on main campus, have the discussion with you, then you can decide wether to answer the questions you asked publicly.
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1 minute ago, Saintsarmy65 said:
Just ask me a question about what’s happened and I’ll be happy to tell the truth unlike what’s happening here
Sure fella, like I’ve said, you PM me your details, we’ll meet up have a chat, you can decide what you want to post to a public forum, dead simple
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15 minutes ago, Saintsarmy65 said:
Total lies, try again. If you need help just give me a message
Funny that you popping up 4 hours ago, after 3 failed attempts were made to access my account?
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25 minutes ago, Saintsarmy65 said:Hi, as a long time employee of kibble (10+years) and life long st mirren fan, it’s time I had a say in this drama.
you have stated you were “directly involved” in this project. If this is true, could you confirm to the forum
1- who carried out the plumbing works? I.e the water problems that were involved
2- who carried out electrical works involved in the project?
3- who carried out bt/internet problems?
4- who was in charge of producing and changing of the drawings? I.e roofing problems which caused delays.
If you can’t provide the answers to these then just ask as I was directly involved with this projects so you must know who this is coming from.
look forward to hearing back about this 👍
Nae bother, brother, you pm what house you’re in, I’ll pop over this week, we swap ID cards, I’ll tell you names the fellas involved you can decide if you want to name them on a public forum, though I’d be very careful about breaching confidentiality, cause I think GeeGee may be unhappy ending up in here.
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10 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:
Working for the people of this country, thats when I'm at work.
Previously a buyer, estimator and quality systems manager for a piping and structural engineering company in the pharmaceutical, chemical and nuclear industries, dating back to the BS5750 days. So been involved directly with a few really large jobs.
Right well, maybe you understand these things better than I do, but they put up the rafters for the roof, a council planner appeared, said there was concerns the roof was higher than originally stated, measured it, said it would too high, fix it. And that’s when the work stopped really, so that’s what happened, I don’t know if the media would be interested in that or not?
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57 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:
So local folk complained about the height the building was built at.
Was this reported by the media or anyone able to provide any evidence of this as I have no recollection of it. The locals aren't normally quiet about anything they don't like at Ralston.
What do you do for a living bud ?
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what I will say is, kibble is good at what it does, very good at somethings, and I think the link up will be a good thing in the long run, for sure. But, guys like baz are fantasists, they use language around kibble’s involvement in st Mirren that is utter nonsense, I don’t know his and others reasoning behind it, but it poisons the well, it damages the relationship between kibble and smisa, creates mistrust and drives splits. In 10 or 15 years time, kibble might have the knowledge and expertise that baz claims it has ? But it doesn’t have it now. There was no project management, there was no building contractor, the “general managers” leant to st Mirren have no business knowledge outside the 3rd sector and basically, everyone made a bit of an arse of it, we carry on from here, anti kibble folk in smisa are going a bit too far at times, but for sure, the pro kibble crew in here are at best deluded and at worst shit stirring trolls. Good morning to you all.
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32 minutes ago, FTOF said:
You said you were directly involved in the "omnishambles".
Another poster asked if you had any pride in your work, then why didn't you leave? Presumably the poster was asking this, as they assumed your direct involvement meant that you played a part in the "omnishambles".
You either were directly involved or weren't.
I don't have any doubt that your information is true.
Direct involvement without over sharing? Being there most days, trying to work in YPs daily scheduling around trade training, H&S, I won’t say anymore concerning daily goings on for YPs, but, again, the simple point is that baz claims kibble had a PM a building contractor doing this job at their expense, that’s the bit that’s pish, renderworks are a joinery firm and have no experience in construction at all, and the cost overruns come from retrofitting the problems caused by the lack of skills and generally cowboying of renderworks,
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1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:
Not just involved, directly involved.
Glad to clear that up.
No you clearly missed the question, I was asked why I didn’t leave kibble. Kibble is quite good at providing care and support to YPs. Until recently that’s all we did, building training grounds? Not our specialty,
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1 minute ago, Tonysaintee65 said:
Oh that’s relatively simple, really, I’m a child & youth care worker, kibble is relatively good at providing that service, it’s building football training training grounds they’re pish at.
I’m 18 years in the job, jim Gillespie has been here 8, it’s less than 5 years since he took over and less than 3 since we became involved at st Mirren, I fully expect to outlast him.
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1 hour ago, Cumbriansaint72 said:
What has to be asked in relation to your posts is that if they are that bad in carrying out a project and you do state glaringly that they are. Why do you still work for them? Don't you have any pride in your work and maybe work elsewhere.
Just saying.
Oh that’s relatively simple, really, I’m a child & youth care worker, kibble is relatively good at providing that service, it’s building football training training grounds they’re pish at.
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12 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:
Can you give us a few examples if not everything that went wrong with the project at Ralston.Sure, well , principal problems start with renderworks having never built a building before and the lack of any project management led to ridiculous problems in the actual construction. take for instance the myth of lack of timber for The roof joists, poppycock, the roof as built by RW, was too high, led to local complaints then had to be redone to comply with building regs, but mostly just ridiculous things like having to completely redo the electrics as they’d over loaded the grid.hadn’t discussed anything with the likes of Scottish water or even btconnect for bandwidth needed for all the internet connected equipment that had been pre ordered, they literally thought you can just tap into local supply of any utility and get instant access, the notion anything was managed is a provable joke.
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On 2/3/2023 at 8:20 AM, bazil85 said:
Renderworks - A Kibble contact and the Project Management was handled by Kibble at no fee. Should Kibble not have been there, we would have had to shell out on the project management.
As said about the mural and pre-match entertainment, I'm not sure the level of involvement, both positive steps by the club, which Kibble is part owner of. Pre-match entertainment also stopped during Covid (obviously) so it isn't fair to say the current SMFC/ SMISA boards had nothing to do with it's return.
So no, both not very poor.
I gave details of both, I just can't give the deep dive level of information (which I never claimed to be able to do or would expect an average fan to be kept informed on). If your expectations is, fans would be able to fully quantify everything going on behind the scenes at the club, then good management & benefit "doesn't exist" at practically any football club in the world.
Bottom-line is, there has very clearly been cost saving & investment in the Kibble's time at the club. At the very least:
- Project management
- Use of Kibble contacts
- Staff and resource in different areas of the club
- Changes to our operating model
Hiya baza baby, as a long time kibble employee and being directly involved in the omni shambles that is ralston, I’m pointing out here, today, that every single word you’re saying about kibble, ralston and renderworks is utter inexorable pish, no project management, no business contacts, no experience whatsoever, every single job renderworks touched has been a shambles from start to finish, every word you pump out alleging kibble’s expertise is laughable. I’ve no real idea why you keep embarrassing yourself in defence of kibble? But there’s literally hundreds of kibble employees who’d laugh in your face if they read the nonsense you type out.
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3 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
What area of expertise did kibble bring to bear on ralston ?
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46 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
Is that not the kind of stuff that makes it worthwhile for the Kibble to have bought in?
The deal always had to have two sides of mutual benefit. Their resources, expertise & people benefiting the club & our facilities & platform to improve their exposure?
Sure, can you point us to where kibble has brought its expertise to bear on the club? Anywhere?
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1 minute ago, faraway saint said:
If that's the criteria I should have a seat on the board. 😉
£400k to the former chairman helps a bit though?
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7 minutes ago, alanb said:
Kibble entered as a vehicle for a director to get his money back quicker and rather conveniently still gets to wear a club blazer
thats actually the truth of the matter, kibble didnt invest a penny in the club itself, but somehow got 2 seats on the board despite never so much as buying a season ticket!
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2 minutes ago, faraway saint said:
I'm not keen on the "blame" game but ideally, until people take responsibility, we will struggle to learn and move on.
You mentioned earlier that St Mirren will come through this, I just hope that lessons are learned and the club don't repeat the obvious errors that have ben made in appointments and incompetent people.
think the most important take is that the vast majority of fans have woken up to the fact that kibble are nowhere near as useful as they claimed to be and that they are being held to account at all times, thats very healthy'
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3 minutes ago, faraway saint said:
Let's not get mixed up with a St Mirren legend and someone who's, cleary, ill equipped and equally as clearly required a babysitter?
I don't see laying any of this at his feet as "disingenuous", I see it as whoever appointed him, and Tony himself, unwilling to take responsibility.
probably not, but i think standing down as CEO is probably mea culpa, but please don't miss out the fact that renderworks would never have been in the running for any work at st mirren without kibble introducing them, theres a bucket of blame to be shared out, kibble, Gordon Scott and tony share quite a bit of it.
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3 minutes ago, faraway saint said:
One quick question, who, and why, appointed Tony into a position that most people would have seen him as unqualified and ill equipped to be a success?
St mirren legend ? i think at the time it was a solid appointment, a man who loves the club and is well thought of, acting under the direction of a board who at least had some business acumen? I couldn't honestly say, but, to lay any of this at his feet is disingenuous, Tony genuinely believed he was being supported by clever people with the well being of the club at heart.
KIbble Damage Diary
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Gordon Scott and Jim Gillespie were involved long before any sale took place, nothing wrong there, but it has to be remembered that for all the talk kibbles money was never invested in st Mirren it was paid back to Gordon Scott for his shares, tony fitz was heavily involved at the time bringing kibble on board, so there’s 4 board member heavily invested from kibbles POV, then allowing kibble to place a kibble employee into the club set up as general manager didn’t help in keeping things balanced, he was in effect Tony’s right hand man, heavily influencing Tony’s decision, directly causing all of the early disasters that beset the the club