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6 minutes ago, Hambud said:24 minutes ago, Drew said:Seriously?
I'd heard that too. No idea of the truth though.
FFS - absolutely staggering if true. Why would anyone make something like that up, though, unless they have a serious grudge against the man.
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7 minutes ago, TopCat said:
Essentially he’s been sacked because one game, the home loss to Livingston. There can be no other reason. If he wins that we’d be in the top six and he couldn’t be sacked.
Please tell me that you don't really think this.
Of course there can be numerous other reasons why he would be sacked, and I suspect that several apply in this context.
This wasn't just about the results of football matches, much less one match. If you genuinely believe anything else, you are beyond hope.
As it goes, I think you are trolling. Poorly.
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3 minutes ago, Eric Arthur Blair said:
I have no reason to doubt the person who told me.
Based on the atmosphere around the place, it wouldn't surprise me.
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2 minutes ago, Eric Arthur Blair said:
Oh well, now that's he's gone I can reveal that the reason he lost the dressing room was this...
Apparently he told the players they might as well throw their league winners medals in the bin because last season they were a one-man team (Lewis Morgan) and now he was gone.
Seriously?
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1 minute ago, southsidebud said:
Wow. Big call.
Not half.
Correct call though.
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Presumably Jackson is off too?
Rice?
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1 minute ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:
Kenny McIntyre saying on Sportsound that Alan Stubbs has been given assurances today that the Record story isn't true.
According to whom? Stubbs?
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7 minutes ago, Iamhammer said:
With Dignity intact? Really leaked over twitter by an ex chairmain and a fan on here is dignity. I would expect the club to inform the people involved and make a statement before passing information to other individuals to leak on SM.
Gilmour is just tittle tattling. It's what he does. It is what he always did. I've said elsewhere that it isn't particularly edifying, not least given his latter form when it came to appointments.
As for what goes on here, it an unofficial fitba fans forum, so I would have thought that pretty much anything goes.
Anyway, it is all quiet over at Greenhill Road, so maybe he is staying after all....
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3 minutes ago, Iamhammer said:
So who is leaking all this stuff from the club? We have people here who know the managers being sacked. Who know what compensation was recieved from Sunderland. Also know what compensation we paid to Inverness and of course how much we need to pay off the contracts of the management team. Then we have some dreamer that not only want's Stubbs sacked but want's him gagged from giving his side of the story about about his time at the club. Suppose he could just leak it through ITK fan or even one of his ex chairmen. Absolutly embassing state of affairs.
Would you rather we all just buried our heads in the sand and carried on with blind faith that things will improve?
What is embarrassing is the shambles that has been allowed to descend over the club given where we were just 3 months ago.
Stubbs can leave this pile of shite with a bit of dignity intact. That's what I would hope for. You?
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4 minutes ago, whydowebother said:
Will be to allow the management and team time to build success then all the doubters can look back and perhaps admit they dived in too soon with threads like this one.
Build success? He hasn't even laid the foundations, FFS.
His tea's oot!
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1 minute ago, Bud the Baker said:
His last two signings have top flight experience and so did Kenny Miller - maybe Stubbs had wised up a bit.
Not so wise that he signed a left sided midfielder, a decent striker, and an experienced centre half (at a minimum).
Far too little too late. The damage was done long before his desperate antics last week.
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4 minutes ago, elvis said:
Someone Has said it's only a years wage he will get.
There's certainly very little likelihood that it would be much more than that. That's why contracts are drawn up - to include various caveats, conditions, and clauses.
Hopefully it will cost little more to bag Stubbs and Jackson (and possibly Rice) than the compensation we received for Ross and Fowler. That said, they possibly had their own release type clauses in the contracts they had with St Mirren.
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On 8/25/2018 at 3:55 PM, Drew said:
There is something badly amiss here. Very worrying.
7 minutes ago, ulysses said:
Aye. Said that after the Livi game.
You just sit there and watch and you just think “Something isn’t right here.” And then you know that it’s only a matter of time. Seen it with Craig, Murray, Rae. Just a sense of impending doom.Above is what I posted at HT during the Livingston match. It was glaringly obvious.
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1 minute ago, Paisley brazilians said:
It's a tough job for McIntyre with the poor players recruited. There's not enough of the players from last season left in defense to cover the inexperienced players brought in by stubbs. Lets hope we get it right. Paying stubbs gardening leave (there goes the mcginn money) and paying a new manager. That's not good. We had plenty of time to find a good replacement for jack.
It won't be close to consuming all the McGinn money.
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1 minute ago, ulysses said:
Indeed. An ex player basically said as much to one of my colleagues. No reason to doubt it.Sadly, we've witnessed it often enough over the years to be able to discern all too readily when something is badly amiss.
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2 minutes ago, div said:
It's going to be an expensive mistake, I think we'd be foolish to think otherwise.
If Stubbs goes, Jackson goes. I'd imagine it will be into six figures (combined) to get shot of both this early into their contracts.
A price worth paying.
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1 minute ago, ulysses said:
I think when you have senior players that are unhappy, it’s only a matter of time before the manager goes.
Don’t claim to be ITK or anything, but there’s been a few murmurings of the discontent amongst the players. No reason to doubt it.It was clear for all to see in their demeanour during the Livingston game.
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1 minute ago, Callum Gilhooley said:
Hear all those saying that it’s too early to sack Stubbs after “only 4 games “
But it’s not just four games that is getting to most folk, it’s a league cup campaign where we needed penalties against amateurs . It’s the fact he was backed by the board to have a pre season camp in Spain, fact also that he was given money and the support of the board to trust his judgement to raid English non league football ...... then refuse to play these players !
As I have said elsewhere I want Stubbs or any other saints manager to succeed but three months into his tenure , there is no sign of any green shoots ,in my opinion quite the opposite is true.When he does go, it will be interesting to hear what, if anything, he has to say about it.
I hope he maintains a relatively dignified silence, as he would do himself no favours by adopting the Alex Rae approach (ie - bitter shitehawk).
I will have more respect for Stubbs if he acknowledges that it didn't work out, and gets on with his life.
In saying that, maybe he'll reckon he has a story to tell, but I would wonder whether it is worth it in the grand scheme. Perhaps he will feel wronged, but it is to be hoped that he doesn't exploit his media profile to have a dig at the club, without conceding that he has not covered himself in glory this past 3 months.
I imagine there will be some discussion around this while his severance package is being thrashed out.
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1 minute ago, Soctty said:
The board have presided over this whole episode, so if they are now going to sack their man, they better have a damn good plan rather than another few weeks sifting through applicants.
Agreed.
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1 minute ago, Soctty said:
I can't disagree with a lot of what you're written, but I still believe every manager deserves time to do the job, especially one who has been given a 3 year contract less than 3 months ago. This would be the case with any manager we appointed.
That's a reasonable point, but I think some of the issues I highlighted above will be among the more pressing matters that are preoccupying our BoD this week, as opposed to any sense of what constitutes a fair crack of the whip for Stubbs from here onwards.
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48 minutes ago, Soctty said:
He's already getting unwarranted abuse mate. I judge each manager on his own merits rather than relate to a previous regime. It is looking grim now, but this is a crucial decision for us. If we sack Stubbs and get someone in who is no better then what is the point?
And I know some will say that nobody could be worse than Stubbs, but he has 1 win in 4 so far - Alex Rae started his fatal season with no wins in 6 in the league, and Jack Ross started with 6 defeats.
I will be unimpressed if the board sack a manager 4 league games into a 3 year contract, having seemingly lost faith in him well before this point. I will also have little faith in them striking it lucky with their next appointment. It's a huge mess already, and will get no tidier with an early sacking, unless we have someone better lined up to come in.
I don't compare him to others either. Let's face it, we don't need to.
This is his squad, and it clearly isn't good enough. He knows that we lost our best player at the end of last season in Lewis Morgan, yet he hasn't even recruited anyone to the position of left mid. That is indefensible. Utter madness. Even the fundamentals are missing.
Not only is his squad totally unbalanced, but his man management seems to leave a hell of a lot to be desired having told players (a number of whom who we still have on our books) that they weren't wanted after being at the club for little more than a fortnight. I'm all for a new manager stamping his identity on his new post, and making required changes, but it isn't unreasonable to expect that these changes would be improvements.
For a man who played in Scotland and has managed a club here previously, he seems to have very limited understanding of what is required to survive much less succeed.
Anyway, I'm saying nothing that hasn't been said before, on numerous occasions, so probably best now to simply wait and see what transpires. I just hope it can be as painless as possible.
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52 minutes ago, Soctty said:
Saturday was an improved performance, but a leaky defence undermines everything in front of it. After an early setback, we fought back to level, but up against the form team in the country, one which is tipped as possible early challengers, we succumbed to their onslaught as a few have already done this season. We had two player making their second start in our defence, so still early days in terms of building relationships there.
Celtic up next is another thankless task. The Hamilton game is the key one for me. IF we can go there and pick up three points, Stubbs will have bought himself some time. If we lose that one I dread to think of the abuse he will be getting on social media from people who should know better.
I'm all for giving the manager a chance, as I was when he was appointed, and am willing him to succeed, as unlikely as most believe that to be.
I want him to go before he gets that level of abuse.
He is on a hiding to nothing, mate, and I don't believe that there is the remotest chance of him turning things around.
It's a Tommy Craig type scenario all over again. Woeful recruitment, baffling tactics (or absence thereof), apparent unrest within the player group and possibly beyond, and a manager who seems unable to take responsibility for his own role in all of the above.
It can only end one way, and the sooner the better for all involved.
Stubbs Sacked
in General St. Mirren Discussion
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Indeed. I described it as indefensible earlier. I'd like to hear someone trying to defend it.