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Yes that is correct, however if it was your company that was in danger and your BOD didn't give you a say them I'm sure you would be mighty peeved off.
There are going to be no winners in this vote, the only losers will be the normal day to day staff at st mirren and other clubs.
Are you seriously suggesting that customers of a business should continue to buy a corrupt and tainted product just to save the staff?
That has to be the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
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If Rangers do fold, then surely the grand facade of the main stand on Edmiston Drive can be saved.
What with the demographics of the area in 2012, and as a reflection of Rangers cultural values, using the famous brickwork as frontage for a Super-Mosque would be a marvellous idea.
Super-Allah.
I'd like to see it converted to become a chapel or better still the Centre for the Termination of Sectarianism.
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So... eh..... Dundee or Dunfermline?
Botyh clubs should apply and it should go to an SPL club vote to be held on 4th July.
There are only 11 clubs now so whoever gets the majority wins.
Both clubs applications have equal merit TBH.
I'd prefer to see Dundee get up for the crowds.
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Just think about how powerful a message this sends out to the world, the OF and Sky.
Scottish football fans would rather risk administration and relegation for their club than allow any sum of money whatsoever to corrupt their game.
We cannot and will not be bought or bullied.
It's a traditional Scottishness I thought we'd lost.
So proud to be a Scot today.
Football fans across the world will be applauding this.
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Absolutely amazing!!!!
This is like a day long wet dream for me.
I've gone through 4 socks already.
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I am quite happy with the chance to vote - this is the first sign of the CIC in action and I'm perfectly satisfied with it. As usual, people would rather snipe and be negative, rather than say anything positive. Not really that bothered about who said no first, rather I'm glad to have had my say unlike the fans of most other clubs (regardless of whether everyone knew what the majority of fans of all clubs would say).
For what it's worth, I also added the following comments:
Whether or not this decision causes short term financial pain to St Mirren or to Scottish football as a whole is irrelevant. There can only be one answer in order to uphold the integrity of the sport.
This should be seen as a chance to reposition Scottish football on a healthier basis: if it is currently the case that St Mirren, or any other club, is so reliant on revenue from only one half of the Old Firm that it could not survive without it, then that club is currently being run irresponsibly and that must change. A few extra hundred thousand pounds makes no difference to the quality of the football on offer (provided all clubs suffer equally, which they should unless some clubs are being run better than others: again, those being run irresponsibly will have to change). Instead, squads will be a little smaller, all clubs will pay local young players a little less - these players will continue to play for local clubs before moving to England in search of better money and it can only be for the good of Scottish football if clubs start to conentrate on these young players - and mercenaries from the lower English leagues, who offer little in the way of entertainment, will either accept lower wages for the chance to play in a top flight league and potentially in Europe, or else they will not come at all, neither of which consequences makes any difference to the supporter or the entertainment on show.
Sadly, football may have become a business and there may now be no going back from that, but Scotland is a small country and its clubs cannot hope to compete on the European scale, or even with English clubs with much larger catchment areas. Rangers is the proof of that - even with years of cheating, they could only manage one European final in which they were thoroughly out-classed. This must be the time that we seek to improve the game in our own country, concentrating on the many positives we do have - higher attendances per head of population than anywhere in Europe - and budgeting accordingly.
A competitive game, without the restrictive voting and financial practices of the Old Firm which have stifled the game since the 1980s, can only spark renewed interest in our national sport and must be the way forward.
Good post. I chose to ignore the pompous shite I highlighted above.
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On the contrary - they put out PROSPECTIVE questions, invited input - and got it. If this is a portent of things to come - it shows that our voices matter, and are actively invited.
Actually it's more a case of the board wanting some security.
If they say NO and our club runs into trouble they'll want to be able to say "You asked for this".
That's as it should be.
It is our club after all.
It's just taken them too long to sort this but at least they are doing it now.
We'll get our NO vote and we'll have all earned it.
No need for embarassment or anything as Drew talks about.
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Jim Spence reported this on the wireless last week, but Milne denied that any decision had been made. To be honest, they will face a huge backlash from the support if they do anything other than vote NO, so I suspect we'll hear from them shortly, right enough.
It is a real shame that our BoD has missed the opportunity to lay down a marker on this. It would have been a wonderful legacy for Mr Gilmour and the other outgoing consortium members.
As it goes, I consider them to have bottled it.
Yup. There is no way for our club to do anything other than vote NO now.
We get to watch SPL footy next year and the board are pressured into doing the right thing denying them a glorious legacy.
These guys can sell up and f**k off now for all I care.
Other braver chairmen did their dirty work for them.
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I guess we need to make sure the pre amble to the questions is very clear as to what we are trying to achieve as it appears that most people on here are viewing it the wrong way.
As always your input is appreciated.
BTW on a lighter note. Welcome to fan power.
I hope you guys know what you're letting yourselves in for
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I guess we need to make sure the pre amble to the questions is very clear as to what we are trying to achieve as it appears that most people on here are viewing it the wrong way.
As always your input is appreciated.
Please don't do this.
We are not viewing it the wrong way.
The questions are simply dreadful and 10000 hrs are rightly getting it in the neck.
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Although people on this website may be aware who Sevco 5088 are the majority of our members will have no idea what we are talking about therefore it makes sense to use "Rangers" and "Newco" terminology.
There are three probable possibilities if we vote No.
Newco is voted out of the SPL and the revenues remain the same.
Newco is voted out of the SPL and the sponsors re negotiate their deals at a level that will not put the other clubs at risk. (We feel that figure for SMFC is £200k)
Newco is voted out of the SPL and the sponsors pull the plug on their contracts at which point the other clubs have to decide whether to vote Newco back into the SPL or risk the financial consequences.
A simple yes/no is a waste of time as we know the answer.
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So is the plan to keep changing the question until you get the answer you want?
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Firstly the questions are draught questions. We are encouraging debate and input from supporters.
Secondly these are the most likely scenarios that the board of SMFC will have to take into account when they vote. That is why we have proposed these questions.
I think we all know how everyone feels about this situation so to simply ask yes/no would be a waste of time but if that is what you want we are listening!
No, what you've done is mix up two things into one. We can only speculate why you've done that but if this was how the independence referendum question was structured you'd have the electoral commission down your throat.
All you needed to do was place your concerns in a list and then ask a simple question:-
Based on the info above, should this NewCo be voted straight into the SPL to take over from Rangers?
We're not idiots and treating us like we are is likely to annoy people.
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I'm sorry but these questions are loaded and quite frankly very disappointing. I had expected information upon which to base my decision, not baseless rhetoric that allows no-one to make an informed decision.
I am abstaining from this vote.
Actually the wording of those questions is absolutely hilarious.
Clearly the author wants a Yes to NewCo and also clearly thinks the fans are idiots.
No
No
No
Yes
are the only answers that matter. The rest of bullshit.
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Who are the 9 who voted for them to be admitted? Shame it isn't a public poll as we could name and shame them.
Sigh! So much for supporting freedom of speech!
NO TO NEWCO under any conditions whatsoever.
No 3rd division, nothing.
Rangers have died.
Stop whining about Sky and difficult decisions and man up FFS.
Stop talking about the "best interests of the club" because if you truly believe that the best interests of the club includes going against the vehement and repeated wishes of 99% of your paying customers then you are a f**king fruitcake who would make Sid appear sane.
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From you! The Sky Contact is still in place, it is a sale of goods from the clubs in the SPL to Sky, therefore is turnover income budgeted for as any other business would do - only when the contract does not exist do things change. You are intimating that all SPL boards should have excluded it from their income projections even although the contract is still live until SKY make a move to cancel, alter or indicate they will support Scottish Football through this mess.
That's not what I said.
I can't debate something if you are not even going to bother to read what I invested a considerable amount of my not insignificant intellect writing.
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True, although that fund hasn't actually gone, we are only speculating on worst case scenrio here.
I think chances of Sky walking are very slim, a renegotiation is much more likely, hopefully nothing will happen at all and we can just get on and enjoy life without one half of the poison in our league !
I agree about Sky but we MUST get this sorted moving forwards IMO.
I hope we never have to face this nonsense again.
We've known for years that both halves of the OF want out and Sky would then disappear.
We must get our house in order now to protect against that likelihood.
Maybe we will.
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I see where you are coming from but at the end of the day if we had been sat there with a few hundred K in the bank and been relegated then I don't think the majority of the fans would have shared the moral glee to be honest.
I'm sure you are right but most fans are numpties and there would have been no glee at all. Just huge relief.
You're making assumptions again that relegation would be inevitable if we had kept a rainy day fund.
I'm saying that not signing just a single player per year would have built up a fund over time.
BUT if you want the club to trade its tits off each year leaving NO room for any error whatsoever then this is what you risk ending up with.
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Unfortunately that is the way football clubs work and in fact most businesses work the same way.
Other than with season tickets pretty much everything is paid in arrears or in installments.
You are living in cloud cuckoo land I'm afraid if you think St.Mirren should be sitting with a few hundred thousand in the bank waiting for a rainy day.
Cloud cuckoo land? Maybe. I'm not the one in charge of a business that is now financially in the shit though as a direct result of not having that fund am I?
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Fskes tslking to falkirk strker that banged in 20 goals plus why we not getting finger out were much bigger club than them! Same every year
FFS have you even been reading the news recently?
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hayes is out of contract at ict, the dons and county are seemingly after him, surely we could afford to offer him a contract! Cracking player!
Given that we don't yet know the size of the financial hole our board have dug us into I think buying players is that last thing we should be doing right now.
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What exactly did I say elvis ?
"Elvis"?
You means "Sid" surely?
I think our resident punk is getting his aliases mixed up.
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I just can't see where that rainy day fund would have come from. Maybe if we hadn't signed Gary Teale, Steven Thompson, Paul McGowan and Graham Carey last summer we might have a few hundred K sat there.
We'd be in the first division though so the Sky deal wouldn't really affect us anyway.
You say you can't see where it might have come from and then highlight where it might have come from. LOL.
We MIGHT have been in the 1st division. MIGHT. But we would have been run properly.
We ARE in financial shit now though. ARE. And we have no way out of it other than hardship as a direct result of not having that fund.
BTW maybe a better source would be to have cut back on just one of those types of player each year since the Setanta deal and save the money.
Do you not agree that would have been a better compromise between 1st division football and the situation we are in now?
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If this situation was happening next summer that might be how we would deal with the doomsday scenario, because all the players would be out of contract.
The problem, and I really am getting bored of saying this, is that the players are all under contract.
I understand completely what you are talking about.
Where we are disagreeing is whether we should ever have had a financial setup where we were at risk of this.
I'm not saying we should have predicted the demise of Rangers.
I'm not Dickson or Sid FFS
What I'm saying is that we've allowed ourselves to become mortgaged to the hilt with no rainy day security.
Given the Setanta crash it is f**king unbelievable that no club has considered it might happen again and put some safety mechanism in place.
It's the lack of a rainy day fund I'm talking about that's all.
Can we agree on that?
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The players contracts that would cause the problem were signed last summer. Are you suggesting the club should have budgeted for the current scenario last summer ?
No I'm saying that the problem here is that everything is being done in arrears.
We sign the contracts THEN get paid by Sky etc.
It needs to be the other way round.
The mismanagement comes from always spending everything that comes in so you don't build up a rainy day fund.
The club should never sign a contract unless the money is already in the bank to honour it regardless of what happens.
We've signed contracts guaranteeing payment but without any guarantees we'll be able to fulfill that committment.
What part of that is not mismanagement?
Newco In Spl2/division 1
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That's assuming that they are interested in being bought.
They are not SPL clubs and have never had much money - most of them anyway.
Already 2 have said piss off and we can expect more.
Rangers have pissed off many SFL clubs over the years.
They may not even get into Div 3.
I suspect however that a classic Neil Doncaster "package" will be offered whereby the changes talked about will only occur if Rangers are given a home in Div 1.