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Do people really give each other business because they are members of the same club (masons excepted) these days?
i manage a £500k budget, and couldnt give any one of you a whiff of a job without competitive tendering and you signing up to our T&Cs
It's clearly not your own money.
Most proper businessmen (i.e. those who make their own money) know that people prefer to do business with people.
Networking is everything.
I would NEVER give business to someone I didn't know.
I would be especially worried about giving someone else's £500k away to people I didn't know.
Sadly the world is full of MBA's prepared to spend other people's money by following other people's business models.
ETA:
You got me started on this grrrr.
What do you do when you need your car fixed?
Arrange 3 quotes in sealed bids and then set your own T&C?
Or do you pick up the phone and ask a mate who to recommend?
Almost no jobs are advertised ever.
Interviews at most of the very top jobs are by invitation only. They are generally NOT announced.
I could go on but I hope the point is made.
If you really are in charge of that amount of money you need to start doing your job properly.
I'm betting you work for a council.
Maybe that's why budgets ALWAYS overrun. You keep giving money to people you don't know and guess what - they lie to you to get the gig.
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Sceptical about what exactly somner9. Now if you had gone to the meeting you would know exactly what happened and realise you are making almost as big a bwaz of yourself as div has with his "scoop". SMiSA added a lot of value to the meeting last night. More direct debit forms were signed. That's reality, and if you had gone to the meeting you would have seen that.
Dost my eyes deceive me?
Is the ever cynical Sid starting to sound like a spin doctor for SMISA or is he after a cnutcillor's job after all?
Dear oh dear. How quickly the whiff of power affects a man's judgment.
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I just can't see any way they can survive.......
.......and it fills my heart with joy
Why?
They'll be clean, spruce and debt free with a new owner, the same stadium and training centre and back in the SPL in time for tea and medals.
They'll miss Europe for 3 seasons but that'll be it.
Nothing is going to change here.
The best to hope for is a large CVA agreement which takes out a huge chunk of their income for 10 years.
I can't see any upside at all.
They'll have cheated to win stuff, simply closed down instead of paying anything back and then emerged to start all over again.
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Better watch out, some other moron got burnt messing about with Jerry Cans.
I know that everyone is hand-wringing over this "terrible tragedy" but seriously some people are so unbelievably stupid that laughing is the only option. I sometimes wonder whether people do this deliberately in a weird attempt to claim some compensation.
I can't believe Labour are asking Maude to resign over it.
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Surely you'd just turn the corner and go to Asda or go to Sainsburys at Braehead. Asda were 137.7 yesterday morning. Sainsburys were 137.9 at around 2,30pm this afternoon. My tank is nearly empty just now so i was planning to visit one of those establishments when my shift finishes.
I'm trying not to hope that every garage within driving distance of you has a 2 hour queue at it but I can't shift the image or the smile on my face when I picture it. You've turned me into a bad person. I used to be quite nice. OK maybe not nice but certainly bearable. Well maybe not bearable.......
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Electric cars are the future.
Having said that it's pretty hilarious to see people stupid enough to panic buy when clearly there is no strike date yet.
That will require 7 days notice. Therefore all those muppets buying now should know that even if the date is announced tonight they will have run out of fuel again by the time the strike starts. In other words, panic buying at this stage is bloody stupid.
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Give it a rest. Ken McGeoch is just keeping my seat warm...
I think Yul had better patter than you.
Aw bless. Your wee ickle fwend Drew "liked" your post.
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It worries me too. I've been thinking for two years why the selling consortium won't simply gift all their shares, and instead put a 2 million price tag on them, meaning that anyone - a sugar daddy, a Co-op, or a consortium of business people would all need to come up with 2 million quid from somewhere to buy the club.
Pesky consortium.
Now that there's over 1000, it looks like you're one step closer to the sausage rolls then.
Are you getting a power buzz yet?
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There is no £2M debt. The asking price isn't even £2M any more. There's some right dafties in our support.
Don't put yourself down.
That's our job.
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I'll tell you what worries me about the 10000 hrs thing.
We've just escaped years of crushing debt of around £2 million.
It cost us our ground.
Now we're talking about going back into debt of £2 million again within 3 years of being clear.
Maybe someone can convince me of the sanity of that because I can't get my head around it.
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A fair bit of needless knicker-wetting from people on here.
Absolutely no link to r*ngers whatsoever but hey let's hang, draw and quarter a long serving board member without having either any direct evidence or giving him a chance to explain what is going on.
And people wonder why I get frustrated with idiots.
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you must be joking War horse was utter cobblers full of "Thesps" ham acting, poor dialogue, bad "special effects", especially the anamatronic horses (you can spot when they are being used easily I know some of it is real horses). Sentimental clap trap. It was all I could do to keep from laughing. What made it worse was the people behind me were CRYING, and I was p*ssing ma self
That happened to me at a showing of Ghost in 1991 at the bit where the "heaven light" shone on him and took him away.
My girlfriend at the time hit me somewhere tender.
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It sounded like a nod to the kind of thing Ive been banging on at with the CIC.
Aye they read your posts on here before realising how brilliant and revolutionary you are
.Lead us oh wondrous leader!!!!
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Interesting figures you've come up with here. To get agreement on a CVA you need 75% by value vote to agree it. If the debt is £56M, then 25% of that is £14 M. HMRC are owed £4.4M for the small tax case plus £9M for this year's PAYE and VAT = £13.4M. It would only need a few small creditors to block any CVA.
If the likelihood is that a newly formed r*ngers get to immediately join the SPL with the debt wiped out then maybe liquidation is NOT the best hope for the rest of us.
Maybe the best hope is for them to limp on as they are with that debt needing cleared.
That would result in player sales and reduced quality at Ibrox with resulting lower crowds to mid-1980's levels.
A this point only 1 club would be bringing any sizeable support to away games meaning the OF influence on other teams would be halved overnight.
Needs must under these circumstances and league reconstruction would be attempted because the TV money wouldn't compensate for losing r*ngers money on the home gate.
c*ltic would struggle because with no competition, nobody would sign for them.
So, maybe we get what we want after al if they stick around in the current form.
I just can't see them being allowed to disappear.
Too many people need to unleash their latent bigotry to allow the only channel open to them to disappear.
A reformed r*ngers because of liquidation COULD be a disaster.
Much as I hate to admit it of course.
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The amazing thing in all this is that it seems to be Whyte who is getting the blame?
Surely it is Murray who got them in to the mess.
Any opinions on how dodgy Whyte is? Has he perhaps created the whole situation just to get ownership of Ibrox and be able to lease it back to them for eternity. I doff my cap to the chap for his business brain if that is the case!
No. Whyte was the one who didn't pay the £9 million PAYE which is why they are in administration.
The £49million battle hasn't started yet.
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If nothing else this should be a wakeup call to Doncaster.
1) His idea of colt teams for the OF would have had immediate severe repercussions for the third division and must be considered dead.
2) The idea that our game is built around 2 clubs in debt has been shown to be as crazy as relying on a single TV company to fund our game.
3) The re-arrangment of our league to 16/18 teams is a better longer term strategy than relying on 4 OF games a season whuich are plainly no longer reliable.
BUT most of all, our dithering chairmen MUST understand that fundamental change is the only sustainable way forwards.
They have all their eggs in one basket and that should never have been allowed to happen.
If r*ngers do disappear they won't be the last.
IMO Hearts, Aberdeen, Hibs, Dundee Utd and Killie would probably all be tipped over the edge.
The people who got us into this almighty trap should be banned from being in the game permanently.
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Why would administration be the end for them?Dundee have been there twice and survived so what's the difference?Am I missing something?
Dundee didn't owe HMRC £50 million.
That's the real difference here.
I can't think of another club which owed so much to the taxman and survived,
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This is all just a wee bit premature.
r*ngers will have a 10 point deduction within 2 weeks and a transfer embargo.
HMRC will say "no deal". It's their only option or every other club owing them money will simply do the same thing as r*ngers.
The end COULD be nigh.
There's no chance of another r*ngers restarting in the 3rd division and starting again.
The fans wouldn't support the loss of the history.
Would we have supported Saints Mk II? I wouldn't have because it wouldn't have been St Mirren.
So all paths lead to liquidation BUT if Whyte can asset strip the club including the debt through a pre-pack to another of his companies maybe he can screw the taxman.
It's all agonisingly too early to call.
My gut feeling is that somehow they'll survive squeaky clean.
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Surely the only other option is for the club to remain up for sale being run as it is now by the same people who failed to come up with any ideas on how to use the big empty spaces within a football ground. Which isn't a bad thing if your main aim is to restrict the air supply to something that needs to breathe.
Seriously for your own health you need to accept that Gilmour dismissed your business idea and move on with life.
Bitter and twisted does not a happy man make.
Ask St Sid. He named himself after a drug addict and a murderer.
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Look, Scottish Football for the past 30 years has been run by people with loads of "relevant experience" whether you want to look at John Boyle at Motherwell, David Murray at r*ngers, Stewart Milne at Aberdeen, or just about anywhere else - and look at the disastrous pile of shit they've left the game in.
What we need in Scottish Football today is people with a fresh approach. People who have an appreciation of the importance of developing our own (Scottish) talent and who understand that success isn't something that is easily bought. And with St Mirren moving into an era where it is becoming something that is part of a company being run for the benefit of the community it needs people who can think in a very different way.
Quite right Stuart. When the medical profession unearthed Harold Shipman, they decided not to replace him with another highly qualified and experienced doctor. They advertised for plumbers and shopkeepers to take over as the local GP. In fact they actively discourage all would-be doctors from having any previous medical experience at all.
Ach you do make me smile. Keep posting.
BTW for the billionth time just in case you missed it - Poz is not standing for the board.
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Oaky,
Speaking personally, the thread title asked if you were thinking about putting yourself forward for involvement. I am not thinking about being elected to any particular BOD position, certainly not one I am ill-qualified to fill in the first place. My hope is for my involvement to allow me to expand on my current involvement (books, merchandise, graphics, strip design... and to hopefully develop these sorts of things further, with my 36 years of being a fan giving me a good understanding of what we like and dislike as supporters. I also have some other ideas that I would like to take further, hopefully with 'official' involvement I will be able to do so.
I have no desire to necessarily be on a board, I do think I have something to offer though, and would like to do so.
I'd also promise never to steal a sausage roll or act like a cnutcillor.
... OK Sid!?
... Edited for an unholy amount of typo' errors due to the initial post being made on my iPod.
I obviously initially misunderstood exactly what you meant.
What you've described is fair enough.
Not sure the 36 years as a Saints fan is relevant but if you have specific experience AND desire to get involved then great.
See that? I'm granting you permission to go for it.
You must be so relieved and flattered.
I know that you were secretly awaiting my personal seal of approval.
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If you fancy a place on the football board then why shouldn't you go for it?
Meant to add.
Anyone going for a place on the board without direct relevant experience would be doing so as an ego trip.
In other words they'd be doing it for themselves and not because they genuinely had some proof that they actually would benefit the club.
That is a disqualification issue as far as I am concerned.
Secondly, taking poz as an example. He knows you well enough. He knows he;ll get your complete support right up until the day you go to him with another crackpot idea and he decides not to go with it. At that point he can look forward to 10 years of unsubstantiated shit being thrown at him from you. Just like you did with the current board. You have form and some of us have decent enough memories.
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Obviously there are certain positions on a football board where there is a requirement for particular skills - Secretary and Treasurer would be the two that would immediately spring to my mind. Beyond that I think it's far more important that you have drive, ambition and the time to be able to properly commit more than professional qualifications - particularly when you are operating within a CiC model where you're going to have a set budget.
Look around football clubs in Scotland, are their boardrooms full of people with checked credentials, or are they simply full of people who bought their position or inherited it through shares that were passed on to them? Was Willie Todd endowed with qualifications to help him run a football club? Was John Paton?
If you fancy a place on the football board then why shouldn't you go for it?
The first bit I've highlighted in your post shows exactly why you can neither read nor understand anything of any importance.
I didn't mention professional qualifications. I spoke about direct relevant EXPERIENCE. If you think direct relevant experience for a particular role is not as important as enthusiasm then you are indeed a spoon short of a cutlery drawer. I think we pretty much already know that.
The second bit of your post shows you don't listen either. Poz clairified that he wasn't putting himself forward for a position on the board.
Honestly, I've just put my children to bed and now I have to come on here and breastfeed you as well. It's a hardship I'm telling you.
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Yes, but only seriously thought about it recently. To avoid this post being construed as a pre-election speech, I will put my name forward for consideration because having worked with Gordon Scott on the Final Chapter book, and with Richard Atkinson on various ongoing projects, I have built up a good working relationship with them, and would like it to continue - if it is of benefit to the club / CIC.
I think anyone putting their name forwards should think very carefully about whether they have good, solid and highly successful direct relevant experience in the position they are standing for.
That's the best chance the club has of being successful.
We don't need plumbers applying to become doctors because they watched 3 episodes of House.
Of course this comment isn't directed specifically at you but I'd urge all of you who plan to stand to look in the mirror and be utterly honest about what you can bring to the club.
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Double post FFS