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mentioned in another thread, selective minuting of meetings, lack of co-operation from club officials, etc
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only feasible option is a proper philanthropist willing to set up a trust and a well administered fans forum. any fan-led option will founder on the egos and point-scoring of those who think they have some sort of super-fan status. it will take someone willing to make a one off investment and setting up a trust fund who has the tme and energy to hang around and manage the whingeing/backbiting/points-scoring tossers who think they have a say.
in that i include anyone who thinks their corpy package buys them influence and the bus-runners who hang about waiting for cameras to arrive outside the ground
the recent debacle of the fans council shows that we cant be trusted to run our own club
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Oh and BTW it's a shame you can dish this nonsense out but you absolutely can't take it back.
You know when you sometimes hear a voice as you read something
for some reason I'm getting bonnie langford just now
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Craig Slater's in the squad too , a player we had on the books since he was about 7. Pity his face didn't fit at Ralston !
I spoke to.the father of one of our ex youthh players who told me that Ralston operates without really answering to the board and it really is down to who y o u know if you want.to get on
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So what about the punk Danny who won us a cup?
You may not like Danny as a manager, but labelling him a punk?
That is a bit low
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she couldnt have a memorial day if she was still alive so on balance it is a good thing-i like to be reminded that she finally snuffed it
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One thing today showed is we don't need Goodwin protecting the back 4.
McLean, McGinn and Newton played with a lot of freedom and seemed to rotate the roll of dropping back and sitting deep.
They dug in and snapped away at the ankles all afternoon, great energy and maturity.
I's like to see us continue into next game with similar shape and midfield.
This, although the midfield battle was 50-50(ish) for much pf the game, we played a higher line and the majority of the play was in their half, which meant we got both pressure and good opportunities for breaking. We also starved Boyd of any chances- i got the impression that he is all taht killie have to offer.
No goodwin meant we got a good win
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FFS
In the same sentence he also referenced St Johnstone and ICT but the actual question, which you sidestepped, was around why all these clubs can be too six from time to time and we can't.
they either spend money that they borrow or have rich benefactors who dig deep for the likes of calum davidson, adam rooney, richie foran and others
forgot to say, there are better managers in the premiership than Danny, but we couldnt aford any of those-so why lumber the wee man with all the blame
He did his cup winning best, people need to accept that most small clubs go on a dip after a level of success, you only grow if you ride out the bad times after a bit of success
the problem with st mirren is that too many fans think successes can be instantly built on
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Read it, don't read it. I couldn't care less. It seemed to me as though you were missing the main thrust of the point and by having another look you may have seen what was being asked.
There are altogether far too many people on here hiding behind the anonymity of their keyboards hurling insults and abuse at other fans. You threw some at me and I'm not having it. Wouldn't let anyone call me an arsehole in the street so I don't see why I should accept it on here.
and i wouldnt take the kind of bulllying behaviour you showed on the street and wont take it on here. seems you dished it out but couldnt take your behaviour being played back to you.
It's no worries to me if you want to know who i am
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He actually referenced ICT and St Johnstone also and if you call me an arsehole again we're going to have a problem tough guy.
Frightened i am not, where do you get off telling me what to read
"Maybe some fans simply look at a cash-strapped Killie,"
His exact words,
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As this is a thread about board I wrote this when I was bored does that count.
I had this rather strange dream the other night that I thought I would share with you in the chance that someone more intelligent could decipher what it means.
It was based around a boating pond where 12 kids meet regularly to race their boats
All the remote control boats had names such as Mirren, Deen, Tic, Thistle, etc.
At the side were the operators of the boats. The boat Mirren was being operated by wee Danny. Well actually wee Danny was hiding in the bushes and had passed the remote to his pal Tommy. The boats Dunty and Rossty were being operated by the bully boys Jackie and Derek.
At one point Jackie and Derek were throwing stones trying to sink the Mirren or at best dislodges the good skipper from it. When wee Danny emerged from the bush collected the stones and gave them back to the bullies. I am sure at one point Danny threw a few stones at the good skipper himself.
Later on wee Danny shouted some sweary words at Derek and was sent home and put to bed with no tea. Thankfully wee Danny went and said sorry to the bully.
The Tic boat was the largest and flashiest boat in the pond. In the middle of the pond there was another flashy boat that had been sunk called the Rang. Not sure of the full name as the letters were under the water. At the side they were trying to rescue the boat using lots of expensive balloons.
There was another boat called Heartless that was moored at the side. Gary the Heartless operator was moaning about lack of parts for the boat and that it might have to sink.
Also watching on was wee Dannys parents, Stuart and his wife Sher Holder. It is a tangled relationship. Stuart wants a divorce from Sher and his share of the assets they have accrued in their marriage. Worse still, Stuart has been touting Sher on dating agencies for the last few years in the hope that someone else marries her. The most recent interest came from some strange Swiss man called Tober. Stuart has warned that wee Danny will be getting put up for adoption in a few months as the Swiss Tober may not want children like him around. The Swiss option only came about because Stuart was CiC of being messed about.
Then I woke up.
I'm glad you woke up cos that is a bag of shite as far as dreams are concerned
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Your facts are flawed I'm afraid. They got their money back with the sale of Love St , now that is a fact. What we're talking about now is them making a profit !
not forgetting salaries obtained as directors of the company set up to sell the old ground
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He didn't say that. Read the post again and try to address the issue highlighted. Namely, why are we the only team in the SPL who are consistently in the relegation dogfight and NEVER in the top 6 come the split. Every other team manages it. Christ, even the Accies did it one year I think.
Dont tell me what to read, arsehole.
He stated that Killies comparative success to ours could not just be down to money alone, yet they have spent much more than saints
I just pointed out an obvious example that calls that opinion into question
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The home match v St Johnstone has been brought forward by 24 hours and will now be on Tuesday 25th March.
Feckin typical... I arranged staff training for the Tuesday night as we had a match on the Wednesday... now the match has meen moved and I can't make it.
Yet another match I am forced to miss after a late change to tbe advertised fixture.
yay-bonus day. i can go
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To whom? And what would Danny Lennon know about it?
Are you saying you doubt Danny lennon is kept up to speed by the board?
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Now I am not disagreeing with you entirely, not at all.
However may I point out that someone with only seven posts would be unlikely to know Faraway Saint's posting style well enough to be able to make such a statement. One (not me you understand) may be led to think that only an alias would have such in depth knowledge of the character of regular forum user's such as "oor Faraway".
Many people follow the forum without posting, or follow as a guest for a period before registering as a member
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Maybe some fans simply look at a cash-strapped Killie, a club like St Johnstone who struggled to even get back to the SPL, or a club like ICT who went down and came up, and knitted new teams together each season, and we see these clubs making the top 6, playing in Europe, and not necessarily scrambling to avoid relegation every SPL season, and some of us think 'why are we not moving forward to have our own 'top 6 season' - even once!
Budget is part of it, no argument there. It isn't everything though.
Of course, kris boyd is a t Killie because of his life-long love of Johnston, not for the salary he draws
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How many times has Lennon said those things in the last couple of years, "the talking has to stop " "this football clubs reputation" etc etc ? He trots out the same recycled garbage every week, usually in an incomprehensible fashion a la Charlie Nicholas.
I cringe every time the man appears on radio with his mealy mouthed platitudes and tiresome excuses.
I am prepared to give him credit for winning the League Cup, but the rest has been a shambles, and in particular since January 2013. Please just leave now while there is still a chance of saving the situation.
You can't appear on radio, it is an audible medium rather than a visual one.
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Exactly , we've heard it from guys who care for the club , the fans , but we haven't heard anything from the guys who should care about the club but who strangely remain silent , although we're in freefall , the board. The same board/chairman who celebrated with the team on the bus last March , and in the pubs in the following days and the same board who advised us publicly not to condemn RFC to the 3rd division. Why the silence ?
they are too busy watching columbo and murder she wrote whilst keeping the heating down and eating custard creams
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Was he?
I thought he was 20 or 21 in 1988.
His nickname was D.O.B. at the club
That would explain his actions at the time.
I think he should be in our hall of fame given his part in the whole cup winning run
Not just the winning goal in the final which was his poorest performance but he was our best player in the other rounds
It is time to move on but i also don't think he should be our manager
according to wiki, he was 21, but i fixed that little acronym for you
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Lame idea for a thread, everybody is behnd the team, some of us are even behind the management of the club as well.
You would be forgiven for thinking these "get behind the team" calls are a little bit qualified, should we not be behind the club as a whole?
Danny lennon is in a job until the season officially ends at least, everybody should be behind him too. if we want to secure the highest possible finish then there will be nobody but him in charge of the team when it happens
let's get behind St Mirren and every single person who works there
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surely all this should be consigned to the history vault.
what is not in question is tgat we need someone to come aboard and haul our ass further up the league. If that man is Ferguson I would like to think we would all get behind him
doesnt mean we cant learn from it. Someone who displayed this level of disrespect to our club (and he wasnt a kid, but a grown man of 23) would not be a good appointment
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Craig Slater's in the squad too , a player we had on the books since he was about 7. Pity his face didn't fit at Ralston !
good for the player and the club. a move probably re-focussed him and set him on the right path. Much like some the young successful players who came from other clubs to St Mirren
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fraser wishart-285,000 pounds, manley, McWalter was about 40 k, i remember
we signed the wrong davies brother, on a significant salary at the time
think the last of that money went on charnley and elliott
Time To Revive Community Ownership ?
in St.Mirren For Sale
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the criticism of the council is incidental to my point, it was directed as much at how the council works with the club as it was at the people on it. It is actually more of an observation or comment than a criticism
the current board are probably the last remaining group of people who have the acumen as well as the shareholding and who can actually be arsed about doing something for the club. there is no-one else out there who would take the club on in the way they did. any other group of business people is far more likely to be looking to extract an income of some sort from St Mirren. The best option for growth is if someone comes in with the cash to buy the shares, at the same time having enough to prime the pumps for setting up a trust that holds money that can be drip-fed into the club to supplement other income and invest in profitable activities and assets as well as in the playing staff, youth development and community involvement. I reckon that would take 4-8 million pounds. while many would have the time, the vision and the energy to do that, few would be able to lay their hands on the cash without raising debt that they can transfer to the club. out of those with the cash i suspect none would see St Mirren as the best option for carrying the club forward. I should add that the primary focus would need to be the football club, anyone seeking to use the club as a platform for a socal enterprise venture would fail as the football sid ewould slowly slide down the priorities list