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5 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said:
I’m afraid we’d have to find approx 6-8000 more fans to buy these season tickets if we are to compete financially with Dons ,Hibs or Hearts .🙁
no reason we shouldn’t be fishing in the same pool as Well, Saintees Killie etc
Yep. Even if we filled the stadiunm with season tcket holders we still wouldn't be able to compete financially with Aberdeen, Hibs or Hearts. Nowhere near it. We would possibly be able to compete with Dundee Utd at that point but that would be it.
The way we compete on the pitch is to recognise that the 5 or 6 biggest clubs always seem to look to buy in the finished article. We always seem to find diamonds in the rough. That is our method and it's proven to be a very successful strategy for the most part over the last 15 to 18 years.
We do seem to have a lot of fans happy to delude themselves that a player will turn down multiples of his salary to stay with us.
I don't really know what to say to them.
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2 hours ago, pod said:
So we don't come into the equation. Just bend over and take it.
I'm sure someone more interesting will be along soon to chat with you.
Away and talk shite to them.
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3 hours ago, munoz said:
If more supporters purchased season tickets and joined SMISA, then the club would be in a stronger position to try and compete wages wise with other clubs.
Agreed.
How you achieve that is another matter.
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1 minute ago, Slash said:
Not so long ago Aberdeen banned their players using their toaster and bought our old urinals from Love St. 😂
True.
They still find enough money to pay some of the players several thousand pound per week though. Can't imagine we'll ever get to that position.
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9 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:
No wonder the SNP are winning in a canter if that's the kind of shite the opposition are putting up against them
The problem the SNP have is that anything short of a full majority is going to look like failure and might well kill any chance of a referendum being allowed.
It really is an incredibly ridiculous situation to be in but that's the reality.
Any gloating from the opposition should be tempered with the realisation that it could well be decades before the SNP lose power at Holyrood and IMO that challenge will end up coming from the Greens as environmental issues start to dominate the middle years of the century.
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9 hours ago, Bgsaint said:
May well be true but I hope Jim and Tony can persuade him otherwise if we truly are ambitious.
I hope so too but it's not about ambition. It's about what we can afford to pay people and we can't compete with Aberdeen. The Brophy thing was a one-off. People seem to be getting carried away a bit over that.
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2 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:
O'Halloran is a left winger, McGrath is a number 10.
He's more likely a replacement for Durmus. A much inferior replacement at that.
I suspect this is going to be a painful summer.
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14 hours ago, beyond our ken said:
Who said i was worried,? I just pointed out that it exists
Along with tax and whatever else is due to other people out of ANY sum that comes in to the club, this possible payment will eventually represent less disposable income for the club than the headline figure
That's just a fact
14 hours ago, beyond our ken said:As for this idiot below, I have more to do with my life than check a football forum every 20 minutes just to see if people are noticing me, I might not be perfect, but at least I'm not that kind of dickhead.
Dear oh dear. What a state to get into.
I do love the idea that you truly believed anyone on here needed taught that income to a business is not all available as expenditure.
I'm still struggling to find a single person on the thread who gave even a hint that they thought that all of the £3m would be available for wages. You appear to have constructed that particular strawman all on your own.
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6 hours ago, lenziebud said:
McGinn was an exceptional player for us best since the early 80s. McLean less so but still decent, more of a Championship player. McGrath is not Premiership level for me at all, not even convinced he is Championship level at the moment ?
At the moment I would agree which is why I think a move to Aberdeen or Hibs first would be best for him.
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1 hour ago, pod said:
There's me thinking I was directing a question to your quote.
1 hour ago, pod said:There's me thinking I was directing a question to your quote.
I imagine all the players would have a trigger value in their contracts but if a club offered less I have no idea what Tony would do.
As I said, you'd need to direct that question to Tony.
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2 hours ago, pod said:
and if we don't get the financial deal we are looking for.
Direct that question at Tony.
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3 hours ago, turrabuddie said:
Agree. And I’d be particularly disappointed if he went to Aberdeen as part of the great Glass project which I think will take at least a season to get off the ground.
We will be a selling club, but if he does go to further his career, I’d hope it would be directly to England and they pay us a decent fee - and a lucrative sell on clause.
IMHO Moving to Aberdeen this summer would be a backward step for his career.They'll almost certainly quadruple his wages (perhaps even more) and they may even build a team around him if they think he's that good.
He'll also be playing European football.
No way is that a backwards move from where he is right now.
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3 hours ago, Bgsaint said:
My point was more that if we have ambition to be a top 6 side which our board keep saying, we won’t get there by selling our best players to others in that category. We can’t compete with wages of the ugly sister which is why if they start showing an interest we can’t do much but rather than using hibs or Aberdeen as stepping stones to English football we have to inspire players with a vision they can use use as the stepping stone to the EPL. I know it’s changed days but Tony harps back to the early 80’s, well in those days Mcgarvey, McAvennie and Clarke didn’t need to go from us to another Scottish team to get their move to England. I fully appreciate we are selling the vision to players of using us as a stepping stone in their careers but please not to Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen etc.
Yep, I do agree with the sentiment but the reality is that right now, we're not a position to refuse transfer fees or block players from moving. IMO that's just going to prevent other players coming here and will be self-defeating.
So how do we break that cycle?
By taking opportunities when they land on our laps like winning this Cup for a start and getting to Europe. Finishing top 6 would be another and we got within a few minutes of doing that without a decent striker. If we'd had Dennis and Quaner fully fit I am pretty confident we'd have finished top 6, won the League Cup and be looking at another trophy in the Scottish Cup. All of this makes it easier to recruit and keep better players. We have to punch way above our weight first and whilst we're almost there we have a bit to go.
We need to make sure that when the McGraths move on that we have others coming through. Personally, I think we need to be largely producing our own like Henderson and Reid.
Also, in the 80s, the clubs had all the power and could end a players career. England wasn't as far away from Scottish football as it is now. Comparisons with those days are futile really.
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3 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:
1. All I know is your online persona which is unpleasant,
2. See above.
You and salmonbuddie seem absolutely intent on having a fight.
Life's way too short.
I'll leave you to it.
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1 hour ago, pod said:
Are we just a feeder club are every tom, dick and harry in the Scottish Premiership or is that just a silly question to ask.
The selling on fee's have to be a lot more lucrative than they have be in the past.
Aberdeen will never offer us the value he is to us at present.
Aberdeen and Hibs are not Toms, Dicks or Harrys.
And the offers from other clubs will determine McGrath's market value.
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3 hours ago, slapsalmon said:
Mcginn and McLean both went to the championship.
Both played in the Premiership. That's the salient point.
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If Aberdeen are NOT looking at Jamie then they need their heads examined.
He's absolutely perfect for them and they are perfect for him.
He's ready to walk right into their team.
Other than Hibs and Aberdeen there isn't another better option out there for him in Scotland than staying here for another year. He might be ready for lower leagues in England but I think 2-3 years at Aberdeen and he'll be ready for the Premiership down South just like McGinn and McLean before him.
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19 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:
Well now ain't that a whopper and from the self declared "Smartest Guy on the Forum" too!
You're the guy who labelled the Green Party's (the most left wing party in Scotland with MSPs) tax plans "ridiculous" hardly showing respect, "excessive" would have made the same point but been respectful at the same time - but a lack of self-awareness has always been one of your noticeable personality traits.
You show little respect to anyone and deserve none in return, you bullied IOBS off the forum - however I admit to being indebted for the the phrase "morally repugnant" as it's a perfect fit for you.
Oh Bud. As I've said before, if you knew anything about me at all you'd know how ridiculous that bit in bold is.
As for IOBS, have a look at his last posts. They are still up there. You'll quickly see why he no longer posts here.
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3 minutes ago, Slash said:
Surely @beyond our ken needs to provide his costing analysis as to why it would be a disaster if we won the Scottish Cup?
Maybe it was better when we were facing relegation from the Championship rather than attempting to qualify for Europe.
Me?
I’m going to check my passport is up to date!
I was hoping for that too but he doesn't seem to have the guts to stick his head above the parapet and come up with alternative figures of his own.
If I could coax myself onto a plane I might get a passport sorted out as well.
It's incredible we're even talking about this being a possibility just a few years after narrowly missing relegation to League One.
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Just now, salmonbuddie said:
The gift that keeps on giving! Thanks, oxter, you've made my day with that...
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8 hours ago, Kombibuddie said:
Thanks.
Got a couple of cans of spray paint for my children to do a wee bit as it'd be covered over & they come up with cock & balls.Ah. The old "it was the kids" defence.
That did make me smile though. Thanks for that.
Won't lie. I'm a bit jealous of that "hut". You've got me dreaming of having one now.
Got a nice patch of garden where I removed my shed many years ago and I've done nothing with. Could probably manage something around 14 feet by 12 feet at an absolute push so nowhere near as big as yours but big enough to make a wee garden office or a cosy sun trap.
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11 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:
I am, if you're doing the costing.
Still waiting on some smart arse coming up with more accurate figures.
Am I doomed to wait forever Cooks?
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10 hours ago, Tommy said:
Don't know but certainly not me.
I won't lie. That is a huge weight off my shoulders. Phew!
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9 hours ago, Bgsaint said:
They can F@@k right off. If we truly have ambition as Fitzpatrick keeps saying then we have to aim to stop selling to offer Scottish teams outside of the ugly sisters. We are all selling clubs but convince players to stay for 2/3 years then sell to bigger teams in England not 18 months with us then 2 years with hibs/Aberdeen etc who then cash in properly while we pick up sell on fees.
Can't agree with this.
If a player wants to move on, we should let him do so with the absolute minimum of fuss as long as we get the financial deal we are looking for.
That is our selling point in getting these players to join us in the first place and we should honour it.
At least he's not off to waste his career at the OF.
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All of this would help but realistically unless we can sustain European runs year after year, we will never be able to compete financially with Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts. It's just the reality of having a much smaller fan base and a much smaller stadium.
BTW, we can absolutely still compete on the pitch though. No doubt about that. Unearthing emerging talent and brushing them up whilst everyone else is buying in the finished article is definitely the way to go for us.