bazil85

So you say, repeatedly. However it's meaningless to my point. And your point is meaningless to mine I guess.

Happy to move on but would love to know where you got the ‘personal’ from. Every one of my posts has been directed at his negativity on here, nothing personal, nothing hurtful. Unless he’s very easily offended.

I’ve told you a million times, don’t exaggerate... yeah let’s see what happens and just agree we’ll have fans in that stand and in others that look at it from different perspectives. Easy to focus on the negatives (clearly) but sometimes we have to just move on.

I'd say more defensive about sheer negativity. Do you ever remember him posting something of a positive nature... Like even once?

So GLS shouldn't be thanked for anything he's done in stumping up a large value of money to help get to majority fan ownership? This a LPM second account? I can take it as a joke, I don't think my response was overlay defensive. A wee bit of banter about auto-correct lost on you?

Clearly you don't have the capacity to reason my comment beyond a negative outlook. Hope I never grow to be so bitter about SMFC.

Or it looks like nothing you've said is true? Mr Moan ladies and gentlemen

Will the chairman never make a mistake in his life? And does the good he's brought massively outweigh the bad? Some more simple questions. Could he have done better this time, spoke more with fans, did a survey? Yeah possibly. Would the outcome be the same? More than likely. Should fans hold it against him and slaughter him through online forums? Some will think so My days LPM, do you remember the last time you said something positive about the team you 'support'

Unless you look at the members that voted. Then it's a massive majority.

You’re the one making it about being lied to. I think the vast majority are happy with the situation we find ourselves in an tolerate decisions like the ticket one that benefit our team on the park. No one is saying it’s not a tough call We get it you hate GLS, you hate St Mirren, you hate SMISA. No one cares, things are going along nicely, let it go.

God can you imagine being in a car with him all the way up from the South Coast? Constantly nipping your ear about how bad GLS is for moving our club to fan ownership. Oh sorry I’m on a phone, sometimes the autocorrect works in funny ways (for example oh turning to Mph for some reason) and my fat fingers dont always type what I want.

1. Didn’t say he would. He at no time says he’ll budget for four games. It’s a breakdown of potential income 2. See above, again no mention of what the business strategy will be. You seem to be reading into things that aren’t there to push your negative agenda 3. A franchise that’s fees are determined based on perceived income. I’ll let you work out how bigger crowds strengthen our negotiation position 4. Yep it might very well but again we’re working on potential income. Once again hell mend GLS for not saying ‘up to.’ Lol 5. There’s plenty of positives you don’t want to quantify either. Wonder why? 6. So you’re saying games in the top six will result in the same or less income than the bottom six? Tv money isn’t set in stone before the season starts. Additional games on TV are factored in throughout the season. For example a game that wasn’t planned for TV but became very important being put on TV would result in increased TV income. Top six TV games are also set after the top six is decided (obviously) 7. Glad we agree on one point about the additional income. I imagine a good number of fans (from seeing plenty of comments) value given SMFC the best chance of doing well in the league over having a different seat for up to 4 games a season.

So let's look at your claim I am wrong and rip it apart shall we? 1. My claim is based on 'up to' four games, which perfectly justifies my maths. You have done it on three games and came to a figure just short of £100k. Okay it's best case scenario but that is my assumption also. Maybe GLS should have said 'up to' as well. Oh my days is he Lucifer himself? 2. at no time did I or GLS make the claim of extra income would be Net or Gross. 3. You've left out the catering income, not a massive source of income but income none the less. Same goes if any of them buy a program. Are they allowed in the 1877 club, pay for the car park? Members and guests. In the past I've went to these games with friends that support one of these teams, they jump in the away end, me in the home. If they see an increase in before the game pints, more income still. 4. Family stand St Mirren fans will need to pay to come to the game (all be it at a reduced cost) that's yet more income you can add on. 5. Stewarding cost is an expense like we have many expenses at games, GLS isn't referencing net gain, he's talking income only. Did you see anything in his statement about 'bottom line' 6. What about an indirect benefit that the extra income might get us top six and the extra games we wouldn't have? Extra TV income. All possible. Someone said £100k would only be one player, figures released this season suggest average wages of SP players are about half that for the lower level clubs. 7. Also a less than indirect benefit that the bigger income will likely mean we finish higher up the table even if not top 6. You realise the income implications for finishing higher up the table right? Good effort though, as far as creating something to moan about you've done well. Not quite on LPM wavelength though.

Bit of a meaningless point then isn't it? If you take that approach then you may as well say less 6% of members were opposed to the approach. Might not of been a majority for but it was a damn sight more than 6%.

Don't make the mistake of thinking they all feel alienated, get the normal moaners of course but many seem to see the bigger picture. Both stands hold a combined 3,287 X £22 a ticket X up to four games = £289,256 Yeah some will be kids tickets for example and we'd be getting roughly half that if it was only one stand but factor in the catering income for those fans and I can easily see it being a six figure income. What people against this fail to take into account is the added safety aspect as well. Fans of these teams would just buy home tickets if we didn't accommodate them. I remember being in the PDE stand at Love Street for a game against Rangers where over a dozen of their fans got chucked out over a number of separate occasions. Not quietly either.

There will be bumps on the way, that was always going to happen. GLS is only here a short time in the grand scheme and the good he's done massively Outweighs any potential errors in judgement. Have you ever said anything remotely positive for the St Mirren fan that put up his own cash to move our club into long-term fan ownership? That doesn't appear to be profiting from the deal for the club he loves? You're Mr Moan himself, all doom and gloom for something that in 10, 15, 20 years won't matter. Try looking at the bigger picture for once. And no I don't know what fan consultation took place but knowing everyone in the boardroom and on the SMISA committee are St Mirren fans, knowing they don't personally gain from this decision, I have faith they've done this in the best interest of SMFC. That's enough for me and fortunately the cast majority of fans. You yet again can't see you're in a wee exclusive club of serial moaners.

True, what’s your point?

I’m happy with the decision made and as he said in his update, there was a lot of deliberation and discussions. Who’s to say fans weren’t included in that? Maybe they should of canvassed SMISA or season ticket holders but it’s done now and ultimately it’s the correct call to give us the best chance to stay in the league. I’m very confident that if it was put out to a vote it would of gotten the majority as well For once get over it.

You're right, of course it's not, that's not what I meant. But there are some on here that regardless of what comes out about SMISA, BTB, SMFC, even difficult decisons over tickets for next season or a small amount of money for the Panda club, it's always met with doom and gloom, there are some on here that our football club can do no right. Fortunately they are in the minority (very present, but the minority none the less)

Why do you even bother? Your hatrid of all things St mirren is so clear. Why not just patch it and go support the juniors? Give us all peace.

I didn't say that. I said there are an extreme minority against BTB or SMISA or SMFC. Could also say 'all of the above' I suppose though yeah, given some of the comments on here. Damn near an apocolypse at the thought of anything SMISA doing having a remote benefit to St Mirren.

Bigger the better, more people for and more people indifferent to combat the extreme minority against BTB/ SMISA/ SMFC

Yet, around half of the membership don't vote. Yep, likely made up of people indifferent to the vote.

Will they though? Again Stuart, appreciate your input but it's exceptionally short-sighted in regards to the grand scheme. SMFC will be fan owned for many years after everyone currently associated is a goner. I'd also say, does a part of you not want to look at it rationally and say 'well the £2 is only a fraction of the grander plan,' it's a nice to have but should 16%/ 8% of your monthly commitment really be the straw that breaks the camels back with this one?

In what way is it nonsense? Is it nonsense that this is all new to the people doing it? They don't have a great deal of power to be 'sure of themselves' They need to vote on use of the funds, is that nonsense? Is it they don't seek your advice or can't take forward every proposal that makes it nonsense? Bottom line is people have spat the dummy through grievances in the here and now. For me that's very disappointing, given the fan owned club will be here longer than anyone currently involved with BTB that you might not agree with. The commitment was 10 years and a poxy £12/ £25 a month. I know some people would have dropped out because they can't afford it but people dropping out because they don't like that we aren't a slick, flawless, operating machine after two years... Well, not the best.