buddiecat

no because the interim board are not in place as yet, what i am saying is - i agree with sid that certain people seem to be working together to discredit what he and other people are saying rather than just letting them get on with it, i may be wrong and he may be wrong but it seems to me that it is those who are pledging for commercial reasons of their own who are doing the discrediting because they see him as a threat to them getting their cake, and then i'm going on to agree with bow saint in the fact that bedlam would ensue in the way you describe, this is why i was and still am against pledging, the whole thing has changed since the beginnings so i thought i'd have another look at it, but i'm against for even more reasons now. so probably should not be posting on the subject i will leave it for now and simply read the posts, as i am contributing nothing that in any way will help the club. i'll just support as i always do by continuing to be a season ticket holder that way i know where my money will go - it will be paid directly to the club and not servicing a debt that helps commercial organisations promote their wares, incidentally on your question about SMISA i believe they pulled out as they can see a risk to the club ( along the lines of the new financial proposals from the spl) if the cic go bust and as parent company of smfc this would involve the club being subject to sanctions, and they do not wish to be part of any risk to the club, being as they are set up to help the club, just my view of it though

well i'm probably getting to far ahead with the question but not being aware of how online voting works in a secure democratic way i would like to know if it would be possible for an external polling company to take the vote, but that would be expensive so why not list each voters name under the proposal they choose then you can check and confirm your own vote

thats correct i don't read on the 10000hrs site on a regular basis

no i am not contradicting myself, the decision to have an interim board is part of the plan - i know that, but it's not the interim board who are posting on here, it is people trying to discredit other individuals posts and it does seem they are working on instructions in my opinion, and also i believe in sids opinion ( and yes i know he's as nutty as a fruitcake sometimes)

well if people are not named then how can you prove the vote has been counted in the correct manner - does it get counted by an independent unbiased authority

i have read the documentation, (and i object to the fact that you you say i clearly haven't) this is why i am posting my thoughts, just because i do not agree with you does not mean i have less ability to understand the plan,

well that's my take on it and this is your take on it, we can leave it at that.

an online voting system would be fine as long as the name of each voter was listed under the proposal they were backing, and postal voters listed also

well there you are SMISA , any of you online care to answer to this , i would be interested in a SMISA led takeover but i believe i read somewhere that none of you had the time or inclination to get involved at board level so i don't see that happening, and DIV i don't think they are fighting against fan control , just that they have decided they do not want to be part of it, they "strongly advised " anyone thinking of pledging should take a long hard look at the situation - which of course can be taken (and has been taken by me) as being a thinly veiled warning

thanks for your calm unaccusing post in answer to my question

hey keep it cool man i'm just asking a question, i'm not having a go at anyone ffs,

okay fair enough so how do they vote on proposals, given that the proposal has to be made at a meeting, or is there another method of submitting proposals and gaining support from other pledgers that has already been decided

well said sid , SMISA have only the interests of the club/support as their reason for being and i would tend to think that if they have issues with the set up then i will go with their decision and if the shit hits the fan i will lend my support to them, not to something i don't believe is workable from a tenner pledgers point of view

I don't think the usual suspects are trying to discredit you at all sid , i think they are insulting the intelligence of all of us with their contrived posts and the loaded article in the herald ( FFS it looked like a question and answer session made up from all the posts on here), decisions have been made already on the way the cic will be run, fans are being treated with contempt, BoW saint said there would have been bedlam if it was put to the pledgers , this is one thing i have agreed with since day one, i wondered how hundreds of fans would be able to be brought together and where that could be (how many fans can be accommodated at a meeting in SMP) and also came to the conclusion that any meeting would be bedlam given that we can hardly agree to disagree with each other on here. Now i know the answer to my question - it doesn't matter as the decisions already made exclude pledgers, and it will take 75% of cic members to agree on a proposal before it gets anywhere near the next stage, would 75% be able to get into a meeting at SMP and indeed would 75% be able to or be bothered to attend.

that is true ped, only the walls remained due to years of neglect of the upper apartments being disused or used only as storage, the shops below suffered through lack of custom and could not afford the high maintenance costs, so they closed or relocated, presently i don't think the flats above are being used as much more than storage - i may be wrong

yes i do laugh at that myself now and again, people read something on here then instantly believe it, never believe what you read until it's proven is my motto

ah yes - now note the deliberate mistake in the new refurbished windows , the listed building folk at historic scotland must have missed it or gave special permission for the change.

older than that actually , but the windaes needed repaired , and since then yes they were refurbished

i remember being in the store area above what used to be mcdougalls book shop, i was repairing some of the windows, some years later my cousin took over the running of mcdougalls before he had to close because of lack of custom due to the rundown of the town centre, i know a lot about windows (and not through licking them, before anybody suggests such)

it's just a guess

flats etc, above shops at top of moss street opposite cenotaph ?

accepted - was hoping it might be the case

This was my concern from the start, i was interested in the idea to begin with but that was my heart talking and i usually follow that up with a bit of listening to my head,pledging to this has become even harder for me to consider an option since it was made public that 75% of cic members need to agree on a proposal for it to be adopted via the 52% holding, given what we all know about the differing opinions on here then i can hardly see any proposal getting 75% backing from cic members. I also can't get round the fact that a cic member paying £3k or more only has the same voting influence as a £10 member, the other benefits must be really good for those paying £3k, and i know it's only a very small part of the whole plan - but the idea that i could be queue jumped at a bar because someone had more money to invest than me is very off- putting

i tend to think you are somewhat correct in saying the numbers are already in the bag i.e if no other people pledge then the "more than a tenner" members will pile in the shortfall , and as div has stated - they will still welcome you as a cic member after the takeover "but all the sausage rolls will be eaten by then" i'd like to know what exactly he means by that, are there goodies to be shared that would not be available to a further member level "the after the fire tenner men" that sounds very commercial to me and nothing near what should be the case where you pledge to help the club via the cic, not to help yourself in any way at all.

i'm gutted i wasn't first to get it as well, feckin laptop closed itself down, due to feckin bt broadband home hub problems, SONNY, pardon my ignorance but what links this with an elvis costello song edited to add - oh right i remember now "alison"