Stuart Dickson

Was that Irvine? Sloppy pass from the left, poor control from I think Magennis and its another cheap goal

It will. West Brom are playing Derby. The Spurs game v Aston Villa is on BBC1 tomorrow

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Come on Kenny. You've got a bit of knowledge about what is going inside the club right now. Do you honestly think the club could stand 10 more years of this ridiculous fragmented power grab - not just from the Fans Council and SMiSA - but also by people from within the club who seem desperate to grab themselves a bit more control? The club is a basket case as it is. What is even more ridiculous is the idea that you suggest there is a case against the Fans Council. Why the hell would you want to cut off a group of people who volunteer their time to the benefit of the club? Gilmour set up the Fans Council so to my mind they used to be the devil, but the Fans Council generated over £30k of profit last year, all of which went directly into the club - which then reported a £32k annual profit. What possible argument could there be against having that in your football club? SMiSA is a f**king shambles right now. They need to sort themselves out and get their focus back on what their aims and objectives are - which HAS to be buying up the equity in the football club, and pouring resources into benefiting the local community. They've f**ked themselves on the asset lock, made a complete hash of their St Mirren director election and hung themselves with their lack of transparency and their failure to produce minutes of their meetings. You didn't even know if you had been co-opted onto the board at SMiSA or if you were just attending it to nod your head and to get the beers in, FFS! The club needs the Fan Council as it's vehicle into better fundraising at the club, and to more community involvement. And if you, and the SMISA board can't see that St Mirren really are f**ked! Even better of course would be if the Fans Council could evolve itself into a St Mirren Foundation of some description or another.

Ricky, Div is right. The football club is a Ltd Company. SMiSA is a Community Benefit Society. SMiSA own shares in the Ltd company but they don't have a controlling stake or own it outright. SMiSA has an asset lock in place which should mean that none of it's assets can be gifted to a commercial business - yet SMiSA have just gifted St Mirren FC Ltd £9,000 of it's assets. The 1877 members bar is a bit more confusing. I was told recently that it actually does have a committee running it although there doesn't appear to have ever been an AGM where members can appoint their representatives to the committee, and there seems to be no process that would allow members to select the brewery they want their alcohol sourced from.

I see the BBC are reporting that Nicola Sturgeon is back tracking on her threat for IndyRef 2. Apparently now if the UK Government promise a "soft Brexit" whatever the f**k that is - she'll drop the independence referendum that she's got no chance of winning anyway. It's almost enough to make me wish for a hard Brexit whatever that would be just to see how she'd get out of that

i resigned my membership. I wrote to Barry Mitchell informing him of my decision and my reasons in the clearest possible manner. I informed both him and GoCardless that I wanted to cancel my direct debit and within a few hours I received notification that had been done. I wasn't aware of the share issue that rea has pointed out but regardless I don't regard myself as a member and I wouldn't be expecting a vote in the upcoming AGM. As previously outlined though I do have a period of six months from resignation to raise a grievance.

Hmm, see thats true when you deal with sensible grown ups. But anyone with children knows that repetition is sometimes the only way to get the message through. It's not very grown up for an organisations board to ignore present or past members. Don't you think?

I didn't call pensioners and kids scroungers. Infact I don't think I called anyone a scrounger, I think you are the one making that link. You're not wrong when it comes to Oaksoft though, I'll give you that.

Yeah I've been to the Whisky Society too. I've got to be honest I liked both places, but the food is better at the Artisan and it's not just numbers that you are drinking, it's identifiable brands that you can go out and buy after the event if you really like them. There's not many hotels in Wishaw. The Commercial - the bar across the road from the Artisan - has some rooms which my friends told me were actually quite nice when they went there in November,. A better bet is Motherwell or Hamilton. It'll cost more to get there in a taxi but you've got The Moorings, Dakota, Alona Hotel, Holiday Inn Express etc, etc.

I've used actual figures and it has justified my argument. I pay in considerably more than my 1/65,000,000th share. Everyone in the UK has the ability to pay taxes regardless of age. There is no age bar to income tax. If you are going to profess to being clever about stuff like this surely you must know that basic fact

Still no answer from SMiSA. I'm loving this improved communication. On that subject I'm happy to inform everyone that my son has now received an e-mail reply to his complaint about parking at the stadium. Lynn Watson finally wrote back to him. It only took 20 weeks for her to come back and say that there was nothing they were willing to do about it. Maybe SMiSA work to the same tight schedules

July 2015 SNP got 1,454,436 votes. May 2016 they got just 1,059,897.

I think it's all on Wednesday's Tom. But don't worry. Recently I've had to travel by train quite a lot and they appear to have toilets on board these days.

Real drams. I've got photos somewhere of the last night there in November. I'll try and dig them out. Can honestly vouch for this being a great night though.

The SNP lost their majority in the Hollyrood Parliament last year, and have never had a majority in Westminster. They've had 10 years in government and delivered a much worse education system, higher rates of infant mortality, longer waiting times at NHS hospitals, disgraceful year on year cuts to the social care system and a Scottish university system that reports say discriminates against Scots. And all of this against a backdrop of a complete reliance on a massive subsidy from the Westminster Government to help cover the SNPs inability to manage the economy so that Scotland pays its way in the UK.Scotland has woken up to these shysters, even if some of really stupid ones on this forum haven't.

I talked on here around October / November time about the excellent Whisky Nights that are hosted at the Artisan Restaurant in Wishaw several times a year. The owner has just released the dates for this years events. If anyone is interested I'd advise getting booked up as soon as possible as these events fill completely often up to one year in advance

Of course there should be clear communication. I can't speak for the 1877 club - I've never been a member there and only found out last week that there is actually a committee for the 1877 club, but certainly SMiSA have to up their game.

How does giving a baby a free bib and a free baby grow cut infant mortality? How would that be better than say patting the £6m per annum into paediatric care in Scotland or even donating the £6m per annum to one of the many research charities studying - for example - cot death, This is pure tokenism by the SNP, and worse than that it's a token that could have been sourced for free as already exists and which has existed for over 25 years with the Bounty Box. Just out of interest though, can you tell me how a poem put in the box - presumably having paid the royalties fee to the author - is going to save any infant lives?

Hmm, I think you misunderstand the word subsidy. See here's what I figure. The UK Government in 2016 spent in total around £761Bn, the UK population is estimated to be around 65m. Now that would mean that if we were splitting everything equally - including all the companies with their corporate tax etc, I would be paying my share if I paid more than around £11,700 per annum in taxes. Now remember we're not just talking about PAYE and NI here, we're also talking about fuel duty, council tax, VAT, airport tax,inheritance tax, stamp duty etc, etc. But lets say we are just talking PAYE and NI - anyone earning more than £45,000 per annum is paying their share. Now I can confidently tell you that in 2016 I more than comfortably paid my way. So far from being subsidised, I am one of the many who subsidises the rest of the country and that is before we factor in just how much taxable profit I am partly responsible for at the private sector company that employs me.

Nope. That would be pointless. The Bounty offering has always been the content model.

What are you talking about? All four of those companies feature in the Bounty Box as it currently stands. None of them are likely to ever turn away the opportunity to market themselves to new parents. I don't know better than them at all - but it seems Drew and Oaksoft think they do

So not the Dons Trust - an umbrella of the Dons Trust. This sounds very like the SEN conference class I attended where it talked about a SEN owning multiple Ltd companies which could each be liquidated without affecting the parent SEN if they weren't successful. Regardless anyway Kenny, this still isn't in any way similar to what SMiSA have done. Even in your short quote you can see that the money their fans donate is in exchange for equity in the club. If SMiSA had done the same I could see that as being more palatable. But for a Community Benefit Society to donate £9k of it's assets to a £multi million business as a gift - that's completely different.

Yes maybe I could but the point is you aren't comparing like with like. The Dons Trust doesn't have an asset lock in place, and just because it mentions the Community in their constitution doesn't make it a Community Benefit Society. And regardless to all of that - it's quite clear that the "We Are Wimbledon Fund" - the fund you refer to as being for the hire of football players - is run separately from the Dons Trust.