Dibbles old paperboy

Why don't you go and talk to RA or SG?

The quickest way to get an answer to that from RA is to ask on the 10000Hours facebook page or 10000Hours website forum... at one point they were talking (I think) about a way of including the 48% of shareholders who are not part of the consortium.

I think that Riley will either vote to let r*ngers back in the SPL or abstain. c*ltic are the club who will lose the most money from r*ngers not being in the SPL... the OF games always sell out and are also live on TV if the TV deal is reduced or if the SPL 10 successfully renegotiate the share of TV money c*ltic will lose out there and if there is no real competition for the SPL title crowds at c*ltic Park will plummet too as will season ticket sales... one of the worst years for average attendances at c*ltic Park was when they won their 8th of the 9 in a row titles... average attendances was something like 20,000. Most SPL clubs would face losing revenue from a reduced TV deal and a few thousand extra visiting fans once or twice a season but I think c*ltic could stand to lose from 1) reduced TV deal 2) smaller share of renegotiated TV deal and 3) their own fans losing interest in the SPL without any OF games or competition for the title.

If Neil Doncaster gets his way then the 5 man SPL board who will vote of whether newco r*ngers can take the place of RFC in the SPL straight away will be: Neil Doncaster (SPL chief executive) Ralph Topping (SPL chairman and also CEO of William Hills Bookmakers) Eric Riley (c*ltic FC representative) Derek Weir (Motherwell FC representative) Steven Brown (St Johnstone's new chairman) What odds on Neil Doncaster holding the view that Scottish football can't survive and thrive without a strong r*ngers in the SPL, or wanting to renegotiate all the TV deals and sponsorship which assume r*ngers will be part of the SPL? What odds on the CEO of William Hills not letting a newco r*ngers and their fanbase placing bets on their team with his company into the SPL and waiting to see if the SFL would admit them to their set up if the SPL don't? What odds on Eric Riley voting to lose 4 OF games per season if newco r*ngers aren't in the SPL? 60% of the votes are held by Old Firm club reps or people with no involvement with Scottish football until less than 3 years ago and with a vested interest in seeing r*ngers continue as an SPL club. A unanimous decision is not required. Newco r*ngers could be admitted into the SPL with the votes of Doncaster, Topping and Riley alone on a 3-2 majority vote if Brown and Weir vote against or a smaller majority is some of the board abstain from casting a vote. Clubs left without a say if Doncaster gets his way: Aberdeen, Dundee United, Dunfermline, Hearts, Hibs, Inverness, Kilmarnock and St Mirren. All 4 of r*ngers SPL football creditors have no say even though they are owed over £1m between them (Hearts, Dundee United, Dunfermline and Inverness). The teams facing the threat of relegation in place of a liquidated r*ngers also have no vote on the matter also: Dunfermline and Hibs.

Administrators try to seize up to £9m in funds from Whyte and have an initial £3.6m in funds from CW's lawyers frozen by the court: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17232197

Further shit hits the fan here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2109018/r*ngers-accused-misleading-SFA-secret-deals.html

Naming no names but i wonder who Neil Doncaster may have been alluding to in this blog: http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=s2&newsid=11126&back=home

Getting off topic, but the reason RFC are in administration is because of Murray's ego and the fans belief they were such a big institution that they could never go bust no matter how much they overspent. One RFC fan on Jim Spence's blog was trying to blame their administration on Gordon Brown for pushing Lloyds into taking on HBOS and claimed that until the financial crash r*ngers had always lived within their means! Pre-crash, r*ngers had regularly posted losses of £30m a season when Advocaat was manager and the only way Murray could reduce the debt at RFC was to move it to his own MIH company. The ego, arrogance and lack of reality is part of the RFC mindset... they'll expect in to the SPL on the same basis as at present and not want to make any concessions to diddy clubs and genuinely believe Scottish football and all the other 11 SPL clubs couldn't exist without them and we should be grateful for their kind offer to rejoin our league!

You'd imagine there would still be some kind of reduced TV deal though even without 4 old firm games in the SPL as if there was no SPL coverage and the OF weren't on Sky / ESPN most weeks there would be some drop in subscriptions from c*ltic and r*ngers fans as well as fans of other SPL clubs if they are not overly fussed on following the EPL, Championship and Champions League games.

You seem to work on the basis of a newco r*ngers being reasonable to deal with. Some recent history on the current version of RFC... they had missed payment deadlines to Rapid Vienna for buying Jellavic when they were trying to sell him to EPL and Championship clubs in January, they signed Celik in January a few weeks before they went into administration and haven't paid for him, they haven't given ICT, Dundee United or Dunfermline the ticket money they are due, they've missed installments on the Lee Wallace transfer payments to Hearts and despite all those football debts on top of HMRC debts they still tried to register Cousin on £30k per month after they had gone into administration at the same time as being unable to pay everyone else.

Is it not the case that when Sky / ESPN broadcast a live SPL game from St Mirren Park we earn an extra £0? I thought we only got a share of the Sky / ESPN TV money depending on where we finish in the SPL and host clubs receive nothing extra when a home game is covered (but do take a hit on gate receipts from a lower attendance) and this is why the TV deal has a clause in it to limit the number of games which can be broadcast from Ibrox and c*ltic Park. Ever wondered why all our home games against the OF are on Sky and ESPN and none of our away games are? I think the only time we get extra money from a live TV game is when it is a cup game. If r*ngers went bust and we didn't let them back in to the SPL and lost the Sky TV deal St Mirren would end up with a share of a smaller TV deal and we'd lose out on all that extra revenue we get when r*ngers visit us once before the split and bring an extra 1,000 - 1,500 visiting fans (although we wouldn't need as many stewards or police for the away end).

RFC's running costs until the end of the season are expected to be £10m, with maximum income between now and the end of the season around £5.5m... leaves a shortfall of £4.5m of cuts needing to be made ASAP. Neil Alexander in goals anyone?

You made no reference to r*ngers but REA did at one of the CIC meetings which was why i mentioned it

out with a long term injury at the moment and had said he was going to leave Accies for nothing in May when his contract expired... not like Accies to tear up a contract when it suits them!

Have heard RA address CIC meetings a few times and don't remember him saying anything about a CIC model working better in the lower leagues or suggesting he wanted to take us into the SFL so the CIC would work better. I do remember him saying that he thought the CIC was a good way for a club of our size to move forward and be owned by the fans / community and that he couldn't see the same model helping r*ngers out due to the size of their debts and urgency to repay them... he reckoned we had a big enough percentage of our support willing to sign up for the £10 per month direct debit to finance buying the majority shareholding over 10 years but with r*ngers debts they would need all their fans to basically be willing to stump up thousands each instantly... or words to that effect. Any time I have heard RA speak about the CIC and St Mirren he has sounded ambitious about using the CIC and links to the community as a way of increasing the number of people paying to use facilities at St Mirren Park and also far more importantly about increasing the number of people coming to games and buying merchandise and increasing the club's revenue and ability to compete with other provincial clubs in the SPL.

BBC also now reporting that RFC's tax debt from Whyte's time in charge is more likely to be £15m by the end of the month rather than the £9m reported last week. Apparently CW has, wait for it, lied about the wee tax case being part of the £9m sum mentioned last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17146506 If the big tax case goes against RFC to the extent predicted then you are looking at RFC's debts equalling at least £120m

Whyte said income was £35m a year and expenditure was £45m a year

Do r*ngers not get £2-3 million per year from JJB Sports as well as having received £18m up front in year 1 of the 10 year deal? ... enough money to keep St Mirren going for 2 decades when you add up the total they get from the 10 year deal with JJB.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17079011

Signed, pointless or not and going to write to Shona Robison and Alex Salmond tomorrow

Can pupils at Catholic schools not be approached about supporting St Mirren? ;)

Worrying news of the Sports minister intervening looking to help r*ngers: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17035992 join me in leaving a message on her facebook page here: http://www.facebook.com/ShonaRobisonSNP

Has reborn got a view on CW's admission that RFC have not paid £9m worth of NI & PAYE since he took over 9 months ago because of cash flow issues?

If RFC are liquidated St Mirren could drop further down this year's SPL, if all results involving RFC are awarded 3-0 to their opponents as one of the teams whose points total includes taking 4 points out of a possible 6 we would be awarded 2 more points than we already have bt teams who have been humped twice by RFC this season would gain 6 points on top of their current totals

RFC have won against HMRC over who got to appoint the administrators today... Div has posted on FB that one of the partners on the firm handling the administration is a director at Ibrox... not good news for those hoping that r*ngers won't go into liquidation with debts of over £100m and try and re-emerge debt free in the SPL!