St. Sid

Again, you think that the world exists to answer your questions. A quick visit to St Johnstone's web site will tell you that a significant proportion of the clubs income comes from non-footballing activities. If you phone and ask for Grant or Lindsey they will be delighted to tell you how well the clubs non-footballing activities are doing - but of course you won't do that...you will expect them to come and deliver the information to you in the comfort of your own home and put on a wee floor show for you because you are a VIP supporter.

I take the CIC plans seriously - you no so much.

Any grammatical errors?

Yes, there is proof as I have already said. Geoff Brown will gladly share with you the financial success of the utilization of their stadium all year round. It is hardly a secret either - but then you don't seem to want facts as that would stop your wild negative speculation. I have been involved as a consultant in the review of St Mirren's commercial operations - a 50% increase in profits can readily be made in blocking Campbell spending petty cash on cakes and biscuits. The BoD are only taking £1.5M. The other £500K is being used to bribe Internet aliases into supporting the CIC initiative. That's a tenner to PozBaird and the rest going to my aliases.

If the CIC doesn't go through then it might well happen anyway. The problem you will then have is that you will have no idea who will buy the club and what they will do with it. They might opt not to fund the development of the rest of the Main Stand as it would have to come out of their own pocket, or they might just raise debt against the clubs assets to fund the development....or they might just ignore what the fans want and plunge the club into secured debt to fund a Gretna style assault on the Scottish Cup. With the CIC, WE can decide what to do with the rest of the Main Stand - supporters bar and function suite anyone? The development could be funded without St Mirren having to go for secured loans, which would put the clubs assets and ultimately the club at risk.

I think the point was that you have more chance of getting the club to respond using the contact us mechanism provided. If you want a response from the likes of me - happy days.

I have a very different view that is based on fact rather than just mindless negativity. I reckon the % increase is grossly underestimated as can be proven not only by the utilisation at other stadiums such as St Johnstone or Falkirk, but also by the number of enquiries for our own facilities currently being turned away. We still have an entire half of the main stand to be developed to fulfil that purpose. Once it is in place we will be making plenty out of it. If my understanding is correct then that additional funding goes to on field investment. That combined with our improving youth development and I think the future can be very bright for us.

He is not directly involved. Although I think his support of the CIC model is useful.

It is worth nothing that Yul Brynner was pan bread by the time the third Mag7 movie came out. Will we see George Kennedy make an appearance?

BALDerdash! Bigotry is the corruption of one "brand" to launch an irrational hate based attack on another group. It is generally done for self-aggrandizement rather than having its basis in the origin of the brand itself. Political Parties are among the worst offenders. The ideals and origins of their parties get lost in the self-aggrandizement of the career politician taking advantage of the brand. Religion is the easy target, but in reality any brand can be be corrupted for bigotted gain. Followers of a different brand become caricatured by the self-aggrandizee and the dichotomy swells to OFesque proportions. London is the world capital of self-aggrandizement brand abusing bigotry.

Trumpet! So long as they take the drum off them.

Your school told you to be intolerant of athiest societies - I must have missed that class.

Not really, but I can sense your shame. For clarification....(and 'cos I know it is getting right up you ).....St Mirren is not an anti-religion club, it is a religion neutral club. There is no requirement for a St Mirren supporter to develop an irrational sectarian hatred towards any individual religion or all religion. Individuals that support St Mirren can obviously believe or not believe what they like, or in your case choose mindless hatred over open-minded understanding and brotherlyness.

Oddly enough I was thinking it was Chingford. If I was going to go for a reality departured attack on the CIC I would probably go down the scumgers in the back door angle, which has been ignored so far. So to streatch the conspiracy theory a bit further....Yul Bynner is in fact RA, who in turn is really the top man in the Blue Order. Being aware that scumgers are about to fold he has seduced the current BoD with a £2M bribe. Now all he has to do is put the St Mirren fans off the CIC and get 300 members of his blue order to sign up for the kick along with a few "friendly" corporate and community members and he will have an SPL club, license, training facility and stadium to start the new scumgers. Shorter and far better scaremongering - and right up their with Yul on the nonsense stakes.

Inverted conspiracy Bluto, very good... There is a very simple difference between "us" and OF supporters. Many of our supporters do attend churches of various flavours, many do not. Unlike OF supporters there is not any pressure whatsoever on any St Mirren supporter to hate anyone. We are free to hate or like who we want as individuals and not because of the team we support. So you batter in with your muslim bashing all you want Buddie, just don't do it in the name of St Mirren.

Some very odd views on this thread. St Mirren is already a very broad church. The beauty of St Mirren is that we don;t really care what somebody choses to get up to outwith football or if they opt to bless themselves going on the pitch like John Potter - not that it is working for him. We have the lunatic oirish republican types exiled in Dublin, we have Bluto and his blatant anti-Muslim EDL nonsense, 2Becks and his OTT reaction to getting kiddyfiddled by the clergy in his youth. All pretty extreme viewpoints, but they are St Mirren supporters and all they care about is St Mirren - they would never utilise St Mirren as a vehicle / brand for their extreme agendas and would certainly be called on if they attempted it. I am delighted that a church will be holding ceremonies in the stadium facilities. For me this is another positive for St Mirren. The media will of course put their scumbag spin on it. That says more about their agenda, just as anyone having a go at this only let's themself down. What if someone wants to have their wedding reception at the clubs new supporters bar / function suite? If they were married at a church would the member of the clergy performing the ceremony be barred from attending the reception? Should we ban priests and ministers or imams from attending St Mirren games. Should we set about them if they are caught wearing a St Mirren scarf. I like St Mirren's tolerance - one of the best things about it, and why it is such a great community club. I would be proud to bring anyone to St Mirren park no matter what cultural background they have and I would be confident that they would be made very welcome.

Did it twist your arm up your back or threaten to take your dinner money off you? What a lot of dodgy speculation over the last day or so. The reality is that the papers just like the val downers are scratching around looking for angles to attack the CIC strategy. I have still to see a valid concern being raised - just desparate attention seeking nonsense. I've made up far better scandals on here.

If you can schedule a hamster night Gary Blues might just sign up for CIC membership.

So long as the old grammarians keep their meetings at the glynhill and stay out our club I'll be happy. Although, if its the preacher with the big hands we may attract unwanted media attention.

I'll take your word for it as they are prone to exaggeration.

It is also a load of repeated f'k'n bullshit. There's a few lines that are word for word posted earlier in the thread.

I don't think GLS is even the largest shareholder outwith the consortium. Some posters on here would be shocked to their boots to know who is. It is up to them if they want to come forward and explain their feelings about their shares and their value. My understanding is that they are supportive of the CIC model.

So you don't have a large marketing budget and are therefore as unqualified in marketing as you are in finance or adding up. Have you got the best Betterware patch in Paisley.

I have been running a hugely successful .com business for a number of years.... www.tiewearingwearywulliewankers.com. It is a networking resourse for small (minded) business men to compare their charity auction collections and rotary club activities. The tiewearingwankers are sucked into the site by the use of fake aliases who marvel at the wonders of the business acumen of the wearywullies. However, the big money is made through the click throughs and cross web selling to my www.rentboysforsmall(nobbed)businessmen.com . The rent boys have been complaining about some auld dodgy character operating under the alias of "animal" - he keeps asking them to do unspeakable things with his EBITDA. Seriously though animal, what is your annual marketing spend - and I mean investment in third party advertising. Is it a 7-figure sum, a 6-figure sum, a high 5-figure sum?