Reynard Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I wonder who decided capitalism was the be all and end all of our society. Its natural. We make stuff, we trade stuff, we swap stuff, we want things. You'll never be able to suppress that. Your socialism shite has never worked anywhere on the planet at any time, ever. Tella Venezuelan living in an oil rich country but queuing up for bog roll and bread that socialism has made them equal. Of course they'll agree with you. Their lives are all equally f**king shite apart from the politicians of course, and their hangers on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) Its natural. We make stuff, we trade stuff, we swap stuff, we want things. You'll never be able to suppress that. Your socialism shite has never worked anywhere on the planet at any time, ever. Tella Venezuelan living in an oil rich country but queuing up for bog roll and bread that socialism has made them equal. Of course they'll agree with you. Their lives are all equally f**king shite apart from the politicians of course, and their hangers on. MY socialism? And anyway, why would you think I'd cite Venezuela as an example? Edited May 23, 2014 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Its natural. We make stuff, we trade stuff, we swap stuff, we want things. You'll never be able to suppress that. Your socialism shite has never worked anywhere on the planet at any time, ever. Tella Venezuelan living in an oil rich country but queuing up for bog roll and bread that socialism has made them equal. Of course they'll agree with you. Their lives are all equally f**king shite apart from the politicians of course, and their hangers on. We make, trade and swap stuff by our very nature do we? I disagree. A vanishingly small number of people have the drive and enthusiasm to setup these types of structure and are motivated by what you have just described. The overwhelming majority of people are simply employees who are told what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 We make, trade and swap stuff by our very nature do we? I disagree. A vanishingly small number of people have the drive and enthusiasm to setup these types of structure and are motivated by what you have just described. The overwhelming majority of people are simply employees who are told what to do. Yes. This can be seen from prehistory onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 MY socialism? And anyway, why would you think I'd cite Venezuela as an example? Well, closer to home, how's Hollandes France shaping up? Another failed socialist twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) Well, closer to home, how's Hollandes France shaping up? Another failed socialist twat. Why would you think I would use Hollandes France as an example? You are making prejudgments about where my politics are but you don't really know for sure. That's because you're great at talking and shite at asking and listening. Edited May 23, 2014 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Yes. This can be seen from prehistory onwards. How many people in our country are actively involved in trading as you've described it, who are not employees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 (edited) I'm confused by the criticism of the Well Society on this thread and the ridiculous notion that St Mirren dodged a bullet when 10000 Hours bid was rejected especially on the back of the figures being presented in the statement. Look at the basic facts here. In just over two years 869 adult Motherwell fans - as the statement says around 20% of the clubs core support - have put an additional £470k into their club and the only thing they have had back in return is a 10% per annum discount on their season tickets. A discount that they may or may not take advantage of when buying their season tickets at the start of each season. However you look at it that is a pretty impressive amount of money. It's certainly a figure that hasn't been matched by SMISA in all it's years in existence despite it's relatively high profile within the club. Where things are going wrong here is that firstly the strategic target that was to be reached in order to give complete control of the club to the fans - the £1.5m - was unrealistically high. In essence it was a ridiculous valuation that was put on the football club business by those running the club. And the failure of those running the club to control the operating costs and/or to generate more revenue from activities outside of the normal day to day operation of the football club. Now if those who are misquoting me would like to look back on the various 10000Hours threads they will see that I was very reserved in my opinion of the Well Society scheme. I thought the co-operative model was poor compared to that of the CIC because the objectives didn't appear to encourage growth within the business. I went along to a few of the early Well Society meetings and felt pretty underwhelmed at what they were talking about and I questioned why the Well Societies only proposal appeared to be that they hit the same fans who always pay out for more money rather than looking to expand the appeal of the club to the wider community. I know I posted the same on the 10000Hours threads several times over. If you do find yourself going back to check my posts at the time, please also note my absolute objection to the £4m valuation that was being quoted by the St Mirren consortium for the club and that I repeatedly stated that it was way over the top for a business that hadn't turned a significant profit in any of it's operating years throughout the tenure of the current board of directors. You'll also find that I was always keen to push the community angle on the initial proposal as I saw that as a way to increase the appeal of St Mirren FC to locals in the Renfrewshire and Glasgow area, to increase usage of the clubs facilities and as a result to see income from non match day activities rise. I found practical examples too through at Edinburgh Spartans where the club competed for and won a number of local authority education contracts which they still retain to this day and I was able to show a simple example of the benefits of one of those contracts in particular where Edinburgh Spartans are now teaching local primary school children how to brush their teeth through one of those revenue generating contracts. I still strongly believe that the Social Enterprise model is the way forward for all football clubs in Scotland. It simply does not make good business sense to own a large expensive commercial building which then only gets used on 18 days out of 365. Edited May 26, 2014 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 869 is absolutely pish, just nonsense. But then, so's the veiled dig in the statement. If numbers are down, deal with it. In what way is it pish? 20% of fans raising £470k in extra revenue for the club over and above match day revenue is anything but pish. It's pretty f**king impressive. It's miles ahead of anything SMiSA have managed to achieve and over a far shorter time frame too. What is pish is the current boards obvious lack of fiscal control on the playing budget and their inability to turn an operating profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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