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I don’t agree with many of your posts mate, but I’m astounded by the feedback you’re getting on this one. I really don’t understand this appointment and much as it pains me to say it, I share your confusion. I was delighted with the appointment of OK I’ve loved the noises he’s been making so far and he sure as hell got off to a decent start in the playing sense. I absolutely cannot see the benefit of muddying the waters with the appointment of an old manager, especially whose star (such as he has one) has dwindled in recent years.

If I could have liked this twice I would have.

Well, as I said, I think the problem in Scotland is that the majority of Scottish people are not aligned with “taking a punt for the greater future good” (see indyref) and that Scottish football clubs follow that general psyche. Far too scared to say “f*ck it. Let’s take a punt on determining our own future instead of cow towing to the big guys” (be it Westminster or the OF). So I guess what I’m saying is that totally contrary to what you said in a later post,, I think by and large Scottish people are indeed submissive. Renton’s rant in Trainspotting sums it up pretty well for me.

In fairness I wasn’t really saying we should go for the Belgian model (although experience would suggest we could do worse). The point I was really making was that we WON’T go for it.

So are you saying we can’t learn from other nations? We’ve sure as hell made a shitfest of doing it “our way”.

Scottish football is Scottish society in microcosm Cornwall. I love Scotland for what it is, but I’d love it even more for what it could be. Unfortunately years of experience tells me that the majority of people in Scotland (i.e. more than 50% before individuals start taking offence) only really care about what affects them right now. The Scottish football authorities reflect that view. We will never ever follow that Belgian model. Mores the pity. It would involve going backwards before going forwards. That’s taboo.

I’d agree with that. I’d go as far as saying that if it wasn’t for Brown, we’d have beaten them.

I had the ultimate Murn bit of gear. A “Hutch jacket”. That’s what I called it anyway. Mind the jacket Hutch wore in Starsky & Hutch? Black bomber jacket with white sleeves. Scarf round each wrist. Scarf round neck. Birmingham bags (with multiple zips). COOL...........AS..............F*CK!

Aye, today’s tifo and banners was oor bog roll and ripped up newspaper (for a short while post Argentina 78). Simpler times Poz, simpler times.

I love it when smart arses correct someone’s spelling in one post and then in the very next one make a spelling error themselves. Only rivalled by IoBS calling someone an “ideot” yesterday.

I’m not saying there is no market in the US Ricky. I was saying you never mentioned it in your original post. See above. Hence my confusion as I don’t believe there is a particularly significant Scottish or Irish diaspora in those regions, unlike for example the US, Canada and Australia.

I’m not shooting you Ricky. I’m countering your opinion. Is that allowed? Also what has the Scottish and Irish diaspora in the United States of America got to do with the territories you mentioned in your post that I previously quoted. And by the way, I don’t talk down Scotland. Not ever!

Can you quickly nip down the airport and tell her I don’t fancy her.....but nae offence.

Eh? Of course they’re widely known. Steaua Bucharest and Legia Warsaw are well known in Scotland but we’re not chomping at the bit for them to come play with us are we?

My thoughts exactly. I mean for a start who’d take them??!!

Well if we haven’t then I guess the vast majority (if not all) clubs in Scotland haven’t. In all seriousness though, surely if the 40 clubs had the nuts to call their bluff and say “you can come play with us, but only if we’re getting an equal share of the pie”, then they’d have no option. They can’t play each other every week. Of course that wouldn’t mean getting rid of them, but it would be the next best thing.

So are we disagreeing with Shull and saying that the only option for all 40 clubs it to retain the status quo, unti such time as the OF decide to go themselves and we have it forced upon us? I’m making a big assumption with this thread I suppose. Maybe not everyone wants rid of the OF.

I don’t respect Rangers and Celtic fans. Not one little bit do I respect them. They are not worthy of it. If the majority are “good people”, then why don’t they do something about the .......ahem.......minority. Scumbags the lot of them as they are either activists, apologists or enablers of scumbaggery.

They’ll use the not peapproved excuse, so as not to appear defensive. Which in turn leads us back to the questions of whether Celtic banners were preapproved and if not, why were they not confiscated.

Ah FFS. I might have started a new thread but I’ve put it in the wrong feckin forum!!! Can this be moved?

OK we’ll just disagree on that one then Ricky.

Based on the suggestion by Shull on the Celtic match thread, I deemed this worthy of its own thread. It would be great to be able to quantify exactly how much it would cost the other 40 clubs to boot the OF out of Scottish football for good. Or more correctly start up their own league without them. Would I be right in saying that the 3 main income streams that would be affected would be:- Gate money Sponsorshp TV money The first of those is probably the only one that is quantifiable. It’s easy to establish roughly how much we make off them and this would of course be at least partially offset by the fans of the other teams that are coming through the door and of course an assumed increase in crowds across the board given a more competitive league. Also OF gate money is not “enjoyed” by teams outside the Premiership (other than potential cup games) so this would not have a massive bearing on their decision. The other two are much harder to gauge , other than that if we are being honest, they’re likely to be significantly lower and would have a pretty serious impact on the turnover of all clubs. So, what to do? I see only 3 routes... 1) Go for it. Boot the feckers out and take the financial hit with clubs having to right size themselves over a period of time and accept that we have a much more modest league set up and probably a lower standard of football going forward. 2) Increase ticket prices significantly to offset the other losses 3) Do what we’ve always done. Cow tow to the ugly sisters and feed off the scraps from their table. Thoughts? PS - Shame on Aberdeen FC for failing to have the balls to reshape Scottish football while Sevco were in the lower reaches. Cowardice and self preservation of the highest order. They took a punt on Sevco not coming back and it backfired big time.

Exactly. A couple of banners have sailed closed to the wind. Take the banner at Ibrox (which I absolutely f*cking loved btw). At face value it could be regarded by some as both offensive and inflammatory. Offensive for the use of a sweary word and inflammatory for pointing out that said club was dead and that their home city was indeed “shite”. However, when taken in context that the banner was an extremely clever and humorous response to the planned tifo, it takes on a whole new light. Only a humorless fud would take offense to that or by riled by it. However, the banner on Friday night was none of these things. It was pointing a finger at the club though and that clearly won’t be tolerated.

That’s the fella! His “SAS” (boak) partnership with Shearer could easily have been successfully replicated for England for years if he hadn’t been such a big headed tool. That said, England had a few decent attackers during that time, so he might not have gotten a game anyway.

No expert but haven’t season tickets already been priced based on only the OF games being missing? Therefore how could the club suddenly decide to do the same for Hearts game”?