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The pond has just been done up recently! I was there last Sunday for the West End Fayre. One of Paisley's finest parks, I think! Shame Glencoats House was knocked down...

Great job Div!!!

Fact 2 - Sid has spat the dummy.

FFS, you've done more u-turns than a bombay taxi driver. Any credibility you had went when the libcon's binned their pasty tax!

Ask away - what do you not know? I'm sure GLS, REA or others will answer. Irony of ironies is Sid claiming Div has gone all "somner9" when I have to now recheck the top of a post to work out who made it, Sid or Som...!

Balfy, why should I do that? It's not my place. The consortium will sell to whom they want to sell. What has changed...? Maybe the fact that their preferred bidder has been forced into numerous changes to their buyout model, firstly by the SNP councillors in Renfrewshire Council, who hate the town and the football club and have done nothing but run both into the ground over the last few years; secondly by not enough fans getting involved despite newspaper, radio, tv, Internet, email, leafleting at matches and thirdly (now) by people still not getting that this is the one and only chance for us to see this come to pass abd getting bogged down in stuff that can really only be answered once the deal is done. Stuart Dickson was right - St Mirren fans are too thick to understand that this is about the fans shaping the future of the club, not REA, GLS or anyone else. The fact that those 2 have had the limelight they have is because the fans have been lethargic and unwilling to be involved in the process (with the exception of a few), instead the fans have chosen to pick holes in something that they should have been offering to take an active role in forming. Clearly this is still over people's heads, despite it being made as simple as is can, and the whole thing may fail due to typical Scottish laziness, ignorance and wee man mentality. We may be liquidated before R*ngers, for all I know...!

Simply put, this is the best chance supporters of St Mirren will get have to be involved in the running of the club. It may not he perfect but it is a chance. Probably the only chance as Massone is waiting around the corner, ready to buy out the consortium and sell us down the shitter. There may be questions, things may have been done poorly, communication may have been shite, people may doubt REA's motives, there are worries and uncertainties. However there will more than likely never be another chance to be in this position. It is the chance, the time for us to make our mark in the history of the club an the town. We can get bogged down in questions about constitutions and annoyances about being left out or about the use of the members' bar or we can choose to be involved an shape it from the inside. St Mirren is our club and Paisley is our town - I'm not going to miss this opportunity because of petty squabbling. We take the chance now or miss out - maybe forever. I'm in!

Can't disagree with any of this. StuDick - reasoned and rational...!

The first paragraph is pure speculation, passed off as fact. Constitutionally there is no chance of this happening, and even if it does, it can be re-written whenever the majority want to by putting forward a motion at an AGM/EGM etc. The rest of your post is all good and I agree. There is too little detail, too much happening behind closed doors, too little happening with regards the existing St Mirren "community" and the community groups that are required to make up a significant part of the debt repayment in the form of SRoI. I wouldn't say it will happen if the R&F fans aren't involved - it simply can't - but it now requires significantly less of us due to the third tier that has been added (77 Club). The further away we get from the original model, the more complicated and less effective the thing becomes. I blame the EssEnnPee.

Ok mate. You go for it - get your own fan buyout up and running. You make the links with the social funders and the community groups and the local businesses and the existing shareholders and the BoD an you get 1500 fans on board and get the constitution drawn up and all the admin in place and set up a company/charity/scio/CiC to facilitate it. You pay the outlay, do all the PR, get these fans to trust you and be willing to invest. Have all the answers to the likes of Sid and Somner. Get solicitors etc in board to make sure everything is above board and no-one is pumping you from behind. That's just off the top of my head. And you better have it done in about 2-4 weeks cos if 10000Hrs fails, A N Other WILL own our club, we'll have no say and there will be nothing to invest in it or protect it. If what I've read is true...

FFS

As always, long-winded but some good points. It's no secret that I was a big fan of mk1 CiC, as I had hoped to be involved at a community level with one, or maybe even two, community groups that I am involved with. For me mk2 was a step away from the community centred nature of 10000Hrs and there were questions as to the role that community members could play at that stage - however I let it go, assuming that once we were up and running it would all iron itself out and things would become clear. Now, with mk3, it seems we have taken a farther step from the genuine community buyout that we had all hoped for... There are a few things to blame: 1. The EssEnnPee Cooncilors in Cotton St 2. Poor Communicatiok from 10000Hrs 3. Poor fan involvement from those who did know and were up for it - this is a fan/community buyout and should have been fan led. With REA being so silent, fans with various skills could/should have stepped up. Please not, Somner9, Animal, Yul etc are not listed here cos they have have a negligible impact on the success or otherwise of 10000Hrs, except to add site traffic to B&W Army, giving Div more money and allowing him to invest in a 87 Club membership...! The question is, where do we go from here? I tend to agree with BoW Saint - the correct thing to do us to sign up, be a part and shape the thing from the inside. The 77 & 87 Club members won't have more say than the "rank and file" members, who will outnumber them maybe 100x. So, with a good elected board, the shape would be able to be defined by the "genuine" fans. It may take a year or so, but it can happen and , I think, will happen. Somner is into plumbs if he thinks 10000Hrs is dead. It has more life now than it ever did and it will own the 52%! The simple question is, are you going to choose to be involved to make it what it should be, or are you going to cry from the sidelines, while others are part of shaping the future of St Mirren and making history?

They hate the town and the club. And they love thier own name in the paper and public conscience.

The best thing about this thread is witnessing Sid's multiple online meltdowns and even more numerous u-turns! You must be dizzy by now, John! No?

This is exactly the reason I'm not visiting as much either.

You are the very one who was against all of the previous "versions" of the fan ownership model. You have conjured up objections and imaginary obstacles and "smoking guns" at every turn. When the model has been redefined, you have found other reasons to try to hijack it. When it was redefined again - something that you had been shouting for, and there was nothing you could say against it, you turned to personal and corporate attacks on individuals and community groups involved in the process. My great uncle - God rest him - Sanny Foulds used to say, "it isn't what a person says that shows what he truly believes. it's what a person does". You have slabbered on long enough about fan ownership and about how you are in favour of it, however all that you have practically done is work to prevent it from becoming a reality (it's a major "lol" that you've failed at that). You have refused to become involved - which is the very way you could influence the whole thing, you have refused to go to public meetings to voice your concerns (something that other, more courageous and less cowardly, people have done), all you have done is spout uneducated, misinformed, slanderous and frankly inconsequential nonsense on an internet forum - the same forum where people start threads about applying for jobs in Franky and Benny's and whether people in their gym are gay - and you expect to be taken seriously and listened to. I hope, beyond all hope, that the community buyout goes through by the 4th July, firstly because it is simply the most secure and prosperous way forward for the club and also for the town and people to Paisley. Secondly because it will hopefully seal the end of having to read your shite on this forum. Here's to the CiC - the final nail in Somner9's coffin!

Aye! I can' help but think that is it all over... A sad day. Not!

I like to think that it almost certainly won't be agreed by HMRC

What a great thread! Very good points and all very well made. I struggled with Danny's formations, tactics, lineups and substitutions at times this season, but he has learnt from his mistakes and now has proven that he is a real, quality SPL manager. Well done Danny and the lads! I would take issue with your semantics on the use of the word progress... Progress can only really be measured as an ongoing improvement, so to have one good season, I'd say it was a good season with bright prospects for the next. I wouldn't cal it progress yet. But that's not denying that we have improved, that things are bright and that it has been, overall, a good season!!! Onwards and upwards!

It really is a good deal and will be considered seriously in my house!

Is that an offer? I think I would please pretty much everyone.

I am in complete agreement and I am aware of this. I was simply stating that even if this wast the case and the fans had no other powers (which isn't the case) it would be worth the CiC going through just to sway the SPL voting decisions.

Even if none of the other positives were likely, this would be reason in itself to see the CiC come to fruition.

I love today's building! (Was it yesterday's) Lovely wee set of flats now and just along the road from my humble abode... Sonny, you featuring any more Ferguslie Mills buildings...?!

Ah at last, another that I didn't have to think about before guessing! The acorn type shapes are all over this building and some are strewn around the grounds too. Shame to see a nice old building like this going to rot, which it probably will. Also a shame as I'm sure many a good Buddie are buried there...