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No they didn't, they asked members to vote if it was agreeable. They don't have the power to change the goalposts. You not agreeing with the demographic (landslide) is fine but I'm afraid you just have to accept it. It's a very well costed plan to repay, to coin a popular phrase on here, stop being a knickerwetter. You also need to accept this is happening, no one cares that you don't like it... And it'll be a success

Aw someone seems like they need a hug. SMISA ain't going anywhere, members voted to change the ring fence proposal, get over it.

Hope Stubbs has changed his mind on Mac after Friday. We've certainly got a use for a solid, experienced CB this season that can also score goals.

Nobody wound Shull up yet about clean sheet getting, penalty saving, point blank shot stopping, King Sammy yet?

He was right then, 100%, BTB is by far the best way forward for our football club and the stronger SMISA are the better it'll be long-term.

I assure you I know what I'm talking about The rest of what you've said just seems like matter of opinion. You've had an opinion something would be great for community, raising revenue etc, etc. That's all great and I'd encourage any members to continue pushing ideas. Sometimes though they won't be taken forward and people won't share your opinion, that's just a fact of life. (Note I'm not saying your idea did or didn't have merit, I obviously don't have the information to make an informed comment on that) As for subs dropping off, SMISA have been transparent about the small drop-off in the last year and it matching the profile expected as seen in other similar schemes (roughly 10% in the first year). They've also confirmed subs have went up last quarter and we are at similar level to start of 2018 so I wouldn't try to make that a thing when we know it's not.

Agreed

Did you miss my point where I said it is a bit on the harsh side judging them on increasing revenue given how much money members are currently shelling out? Just further proof some fans are never happy and have a vendetta against SMISA/ SMFC With no valid poins to make, get the grammar police comments out as well eh?

Do you not think it’s a wee bit harsh to bring up SMISA increased revenue streams during this transitional period as a means of performance? ‘ Okay guys we need you all to pay £12/ £25 of your hard earned money over the next decade but on top of that let’s talk about even more money you can contribute to the club.’ i think your comments usually fall into the Us Vs Them category. It shouldn’t be what has SMISA done, what has SMFC done. For me and many fans, they’re one and the same because their goals are directly aligned. In saying that, what have they done to increase income streams for SMFC? I’d say funding £50k for the training pitch means the club have that money for the budget, disabled platform will likely have provided a better game experience for fans that need it and every chance have increased fan numbers, children entertainer seemed to go down well, would be very surprised if that didn’t get a few more young fans through the door, finance for the ladies team could of had an indirect benefit given the positive reputational impact. Also let’s not forget all the £2 spends are above and beyond revenue we would of had, oh and where else would the club get an interest free loan for the USH? That will of had a financial benefit. In summary, I think it would be harsh to judge them on increasing revenue streams in isolation given it’s a transitional period. I’d say why separate them and SMFC? But even with that they have done well considering the current situation.

*Democracy

I think there's an argument that £1 million could be slightly high for the club. But the selling parties would probably argue potential income like John McGinn 33% sell on, at the time Kenny McLean and then brilliant youth players like Morgan, Magennis, Mallan, etc would all push that price up. When you look at the transfer income return we've had and likely to get, if we had an actual owner in it for profit, they would of made an absolute steal at £1 million. Especially if the McGinn deal comes off. The USH I completely agree, should of done better with that. Very unfortunate and disappointing situation to get into. At least we've come through it to no detriment to the team on the park, which remains the majorities key priority (as it should) I'm pretty sure when the money is in place, they'll make an offer to finalise it within the term. I don't think the two outcomes (he says no I'm waiting 10 years or says yes) will have any great impact on the team on the park. GLS has shown a great deal of ability as Chairman so far IMO. Your last point on how SMISA is run, I would always say members have the right to vote and have done in great support for anything that benefits SMFC. That's the team we all support so it's not a surprise. Regarding someone coming in that did anything counter to this, the evidence suggests they wouldn't have the backing of most members. I think a lot of people don't realise the interests of SMISA (as a member base) is what benefits SMFC the most, very clear from voting that's a majority view (or indifference) To me it almost feels like some people are us vs them when it comes to SMISA and SMFC, that completely baffles me.

Do you mean the democratic way in which they do things? I feel that's a better approach than thinking your fellow fans are 'stupid' for wanting to move the club to fan ownership. I'd probably say it was closer to 'stupid' focusing on the discretionary fund voting and thinking St Mirren fans are only paying to have their name on a wall. Did you not say you were a fan of fan ownership? If only you had some actual genuine concerns about the way we're doing it and not just spouting nonsense.

Which you base on...

I don’t know how far you’d get with your campaign. Probably fall at the first hurdle given it’s abundantly clear you have no clue what’s going on with BTB and SMISA.

If you mean premier as a player than that's not true, we've had several including our last manager. If you mean as manager, Stubbs has never managed in the SP.

Is that some made up negative chat? Please compare this to our earlier conversation.

God please don't

Best of luck to him in the future

Good come back

I would say I understand your confusion but I’m struggling to know where you’ve sourced me having the opinion that all St Mirren fans must be ecstatic about every aspect of our club all the time. Is it because I’ve pointed out (with evidence) where you have made up negative nonsense on the SMISA thread? Is it fair to say you can’t tell the difference between making up negativity when it’s not there (for example saying SMISA/ SMFC are breaking the law) and having concern and worry that something might happen (us potentially having a poor season because of Stubbs management) havjng a concern isn’t saying ‘this will definitely happen’ or ‘I want this to happen’ you get that right? ‘Calling for Stubbs to be sacked by Christmas’

There he is, the usual spin on comments to change what I actually said. 1. Dreading the new season isn't making up anything 2. I did not call for him to be sacked by Christmas You're nothing if not consistent... Unfortunately you're consistently inaccurate

I'm surprised you didn't use the standard 'happy clap' response. there's nothing wrong with being concerned and expressing dissatisfaction with aspects of the club. Making up negativity and stories is a completely different thing though isn't it?

This doesn't fill me with confidence. Stewart and McShane, I can understand but the other two could do a job. At the very least they should command a small fee given they both had really good seasons last year. Also surprised Kirkpatrick and other Stewart aren't included. From his staff/ player recruitment and now this, Stubbs has filled me with nothing but dread for the new season. Can see him being in the garden by Christmas.