beyond our ken

I'm a celebrity comes back soon and that will eat up a comparative, if not even larger slice of airtime on our tellies and teaches us sod all. Why not complain about that? FFS, It's a few telly programmes over a few weeks once a year, not a threat to so-called national identity. The only unpleasant aspect is the fact that it is used to try and remind us that Lenny Henry was once funny. Can't you just let people have that without complaining? Scotland has a channel dedicated to Scottish content and a large part of that focusses on the general history of Scotland and rarely touches on black history The same goes for other UK national tv channels that focus on generic UK history. Given the exploitation, prejudice and rejection that Black people have had to and still endure, it can only be helpful if they remind themselves and the rest of us what their history in the UK actually is, because there will no meaningful reconcilliation between groups unless people go into that process. Maybe you are making the mistake of thinking that events like Black History Month are an exclusive celebration of Black culture and that's not the case. It's an opportunity for everyone to get involved and learn more about how the nation came to be as it is.

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Very good performance from almost the whole team, let's face it, how hard to watch have St Johnstone been in recent years? The foulingand spoiling was straight out of the Martindale playbook and hell-mend Mclean for employing that strategy. I don't feel sorry for their players yet i noted that they all looked miserable and frustrated. It highlights to me that while I sometimes have resevations about Robinson's selection and tactics, he is definitely a leader and has sold the philosophy brilliantly to his players. The final whistle celebrations are almost worth the entrance fee on their own. While I disagree with about 90% of what Tom English says, he was spot on after the game. He told a caller that Saints fans should stop speculating about the future prospects and just enjoy the moment, because it's a pretty good place to be..

I don't think he was very well for quite long time, I maybe recall that he had a drink & drug addiction to get over "Perry became addicted to Vicodin after a jet-ski accident in 1997, and he completed a 28-day rehab program that year.[60] His weight fluctuated over the next few years, dropping to 145 pounds (66 kg) due to pancreatitis.[61] He entered rehab in February 2001 for an addiction to Vicodin, methadone, amphetamines, and alcohol.[62][63]" Regardless ofhis success, that was a sad way tolive a life.

I understand it’s about Black folk and you are upset i can’t help you out with that

You are right You, Scott and everyone who never got off their arse to set it up are horribly discriminatory you do realise it was set up by black people who felt their history needed wider appreciation and they wouldn’t necessarily have thought about other skin hues? Thought not!

Just wanted to add my thoughts before I sign off from this thread The "scum Israelis", in my view are the group in power who hide behind a weak Netanyahu as they continue to push their fear & persecution agenda so that they can gain & retain power, whether that be for the sake of Ideaology, personal gain, ignorance or a combination thereof. The vast majority of Israelis would be reasonable people whose attitudes & instincts are tempered by the situation they find themselves in. Like many in our country, the fear mongers have developed a warped sense of identity, entitlement and persecution in what they see as their homeland and a lot of ordinary people who would come to a different conclusion are being led up the garden path. In work, I often refer to the work of Stanley Milgram when exploring behaviours and he sought out, as the child of Jewish refugees, to understand how perfectly decent and reasonable Germans were led to committ the atrocities of the third reich. His research suggests to many that the presence of an "authority figure" who absolves people of any responsibility they might feel when carrying out command, a common subject or enemy, an unremitting message & line of command along with an end that justifies the means are the basic blocks of manipulating mass behaviour. People's behaviours towards others are basically motivated by either fear (hatred is simply a product of fear) or kindness and you can convince people that the best way to be kind to their kin is to unite against someone else. There will only be peace for Israel once they accept the fragility and unsustainability of their position and the fact that they really should be doing more to educate their own people and look for a way out of conflict. Israel is like Palestine, they are a weak nation if left to their own devices and their strength comes from those who subsidise and support them and Palestine's situation is that they are also a weak nation with significantly less outside support. I really think that Israellis should be asking if it continues to be both fair and sustainable for them to be so dependent on other countries for their sustainability and protection. I also think Israel needs to rein in their ambitions to restore their domain to what they have been led to believe is their birthright, it isn't. No part of the earth is anybody's birthright, we are caretakers, not owners and the lack of a concept of being able to share is the backstory to all wars. So my not very scientific view is that Israel needs to look to a series of compromises that restores human rights to everyone in their region and the outside actors need to step away from enabling one side whilst offering poor mitigation to the other for the harm done. The outside actors , in my view, are so scared of offending the pro-Israelli lobby that they simply accede to the demands of the lobby and just continue to compound the mistakes of the past, probably thinking that as individuals they will will be footnotes in history by the time the obvious ultimate shitfest occurs. In order to quell the pro-Israelli lobby they need to work on the attitudes INSIDE Israel so that the lobby can't continually demand arms & warfare. Israel and their neighbours need to work on what they can do FOR each other rather than what they can do TO each other. The whole area was a giant f**k-up as soon as the outsiders decided they knew best and the only way out of it is for outside parties to stop enabling the entrenched positions and foster a much more benevolent and compassionate attitude. In short, take away the fear and you have no reason to fight. All that being said, it seems to me that unless a totalitarian regime is in place, nobody settles for anything in the near-east and most of the screw-ups started with the removal of totalitarians. At least it has been proven that warfare and killing is a cycle and not a solution so maybe there is hope, somewhere. Debate, discuss, argue all you want, i might read it but won't be responding.

So Israel is making threats against Russia now, regardless of how difficult that makes life for other nations trying to handle Russian threat. Yet another promise they can't keep and an extension of the stance that the only answer to one killing is to kill 100 others. Israelis should understand that when those in power fail so miserably with their unfulfillable promises, they will simply resort to sabre rattling and rabble-rousing in order to stay in power and prevent a subsequent government from uncovering the lies, corruption and incompetence that they inflicted on all. Maybe we should all understand that.

The fact that many people have pointed out is that the bombardment of areas where civilians live and the order to vacte other areas are the reasons so many were using the hospital for shelter as well as healthcare, so who blew up what only matters to a certain extent. Something was going to explode in that area at some point and a load of innocents were going to be hurt. Aside that, there are the thousands of civilians killed, around 50% of the population of Gaza is under 18, so it's not correct to say that all residents are combatants at this stage. Hamas are responsible for their own actions, Netanyahu failed miserably on his security promises and could well have been relying on the threat of a disproportionate response as a deterrent to any hostilities. The problem with perpetual threats is that people eventually become emboldened by living under them. Netanyahu is a fool and it seems he failed to realise his responsibility extends to mitigating unintended consequences, so he bounces himself into killing loads more people when he knows he can't really disassemble Hamas in the way he promises.

Nah! The club has allowed him back in, they clearly want him kept out and he has dropped action. He got what he wanted and the club has gone back on a decision. Probably a very knee-jerk and ill-advised one. It's just the slant that the statement put on it that makes it look like like he backed down

Was the legal action not prompted by the ban? If so, the notification may be a wee bit disingenuous implying "he backed down, so we let him back in". The reality is that the club backed down on this as there is no mention of retraction or an agreement not to repeat his accusations, is there any other case ongoing between the club, Kibble or any other party around AW's statements? My recollection is that there were two Kibble employees who were treatening action regarding comments and accusations they attribute to AW. There is no mention of that so my assumption is that while the club might be out of it, a process that still has the potential to generate bad publicity and maybe even financial implications is still underway. Or maybe it is all swept under the carpet?

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If Assuming Pish!

So in need of an argument that you are taking implicitions from what i said that simply aren' t there, knock yersel' out. The bottom line is that she liked a post that referred to Israel as a vile colonnial alliance, I can understand that viewpoint and even many that support Israel will concede that the inauguration of he state was one of the biggest cock-ups and ill-thought out escapades in anglo-american dealmaking history. She describes herself as a student of decolonisation, quite a valid acivity for someone who originates from (did she really"flee") a country that was colonised and is sorting out the problems that colonnialism caused half a century after we got out. So Irony? I just dont see it. And as for Guido's final comment, she stated that she had one hope before posting a Palestinian flag. But maybe she also posted that the hope was around peace, reconciliation or just fairness. I don't know if she did but GF has a history of posting only things that suit their own agenda. Apparently the tweets are now removed so it will be hard to check. As for all the other stuff, so what. Try telling people from the Island of Ireland that they are from the British Isles and see how far you get. In fact, throw in the term "mainland" then run like feck. It doesn't change my opinion that people are rounding on someone new to this country who has pointed out something that the UK was complicit in decades ago as being wrong. History has proven it as such since Israel in it's current form is not a sustainable indepenedent state and is entirely dependent on foreign money and arms which it uses to support it's chosen method of dealing with Palestine, which is simply oppressive. At no point does she decry the UK, it's government at the time she is living here or the British people, as Albion Saint states without offering any evidence. The whole basis of using the word "irony" seems to be that she is Zimbabwean by birth and therefore less entitled to these views than someone who is born in the UK. And is she a hypocrite when she left a place that is bad and has the temerity to suggest that her new place needs a bit of work (although she doesn't seem to say that, even indirectly)?

d all sorts of really interesting facts that I was hitherto unaware of. If someone is accepted to live and work in a country, pay taxes and vote there then their ability to comment on government should not be challenged on the basis of where they came from. British society is still a better place to live than Zimbabwe even though it needs a substantial upgrade in foreiegn policy, human rights and civic freedoms, or perhaps you haven't noticed the erosion of rights and freedoms that our governnent has enacted? As for ancestry, there are more with Irish ancestry than not in Scotland, even if it is not dominant and going back millenia the indigenous population was supplemented by migrants.

Whatever

Well, she is Zimbabwean, not Zambian. The human rights issues are the same, if not worse, though. Is there any irony around being proud of where you come from and still being opposed to colonialism and the treatment of Palestinians? Absolutely not, you can be proud of your home, family and heritage without agreeing with all of the issues that go along with your background. Only people who have hope and care about a society can effect change, would you not agree? And she really didn't tell any lies in anything you have re-quoted. It's all valid and up for discussion. I would agree that the terms of her employment probably make it at least inadvisable and at worst forbidden to post personal views such as these but actually holding them is not in itself a massive sin. So what do we have, a selective screengrab from Guido-F that you have used to suggest that she is lucky to be here, for what purpose? Do you suggest that if she wants to live in the UK she shouldn't criticise it just because of where she originally came from? You and I both have that right and we have both used it. I know my origins are from beyond these shores and would hazard a guess that at least some of yours are from another country, it's almost inevitable in this country. I'll say again, her views seem to be less than radical and grounded in facts, so I will ask, what is the basis for singling this woman out? Is she just too recent an arrival in the UK? Is she from the wrong sort of place? Is it her deeper beliefs that bring her holding of these views into question?

We are almost at the point where the point of taking about this will be lost as escalation is a near certainty now Would Israel blow up a Gaza hospital and blame it on Hamas? Absolutely Would Hamas blow up a hospital to try an denigrate Israel? Very possibly would either of them own up to a botched operation? No f**kkin chance The fact that Israel has pointed the finger at third party is very suspicious Nobody in the Arab world is buying Israel’s version of events according to Sky news

Not any longer

Dance any more vigorously then the head of that pin will go straight up your arse

If in your mind there are only two “sides” in U.K. politics then maybe you need to drop the blinkers

The tories are shamelessly trying to cream cash from Jewish donors with this hideous virtue signalling

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My own belief is that Netanyahu got his Hanecke present early and will use the situation to drive the Gazans into the med ooor people used as pawns between 2 bands of Zealots it a horrible life for these guys and it is little wonder the youth are continually radicalised by the conflict, which suits Hamas and the Israelis just fine

Biden is actually quite a liberal Catholic as demonstrated by his stance on birth control and access to abortion I'm afraid that for the U.K. and USA it’s only about the money that funds election campaigns did anyone se Cleverly (what a misnomer) in telly declaring that any Israeli response would be proportionate? Sickening bassa!