bazil85

Correct, you do have Jack s*it LPM. Finally something we agree on.

It's really easy to see how you get confused and spout absolute nonsense all the time. 'At the 2017 AGM we had 1287 members – we now have 1,257' so numbers have fallen 30 in roughly one year not in two weeks. At that rate we would still be over 1,000 members come the end of the 10 years. Rest of your post (as with the vast majority of them) isn't even worth reading, it is complete, unfounded garbage.

Will be interesting to see, I agree. I’ve always said I don’t think they’re proactive enough. Had people mention about sign-up forms inside the newspaper and presences at games etc but as a season ticket holder and SMISA member I have never seen one shred of promotion to sign-up for BTB since the deal concluded. That would suggest to me a lot of others haven’t seen it either, so plenty to do. I’m excited to hear what they propose in the summer It does disappoint me the number of (former) members that are so harsh on SMISA & BTB. One of the main things they said was they’re learning as well and doing what they can, they’ll make mistake but they asked for patience. To highlight ‘f*ck ups’ (personal opinion) and be IMO so harsh on a group of people that aren’t in this for profit, that are only in it for the love of their football club to me is very unfortunate. Almost as if there is zero tolerance to get things wrong with some people. It’s off to the bank to cancel their 10 year commitment.

True, although I’d speculate the ‘sheep’ are probably a minority. We’re all adults and should be able to make our own opinion. I think people that don’t have an opinion of their own are a lot more likely not to vote.

Yep done now. best just to move on with it. People have different opinions, always going to be the case. I'm sure you'll also agree that it won't be all 'sheep' there will be a significant number that have reviewed this carefully and fully trust this is in the best interest of SMFC, SMISA or both.

Well you're a wee bit all over the place there but I think I got it. I would say SMISA have said they could have been clearer in regards to how the funds were being used. They did it high level and admitted their mistake in that. If you want to hold that against them after admitting their shortcomings then fine. The key messages are 1. Contractual agreement about using the £50k 2. The £50k existing is part of BTB so of course it'll get replenished after this. We aren't paying anything twice here, it's paying something once on a members vote then going forward having the credit facility as part of BTB. 3. All your chat about income being up is irrelevant. We're still going into a league where we'll have one of the lowest budgets going. Transfer income and the McGinn move all good news but it won't put us in a position where we can be lax with the budget. Every penny will be important as it will be to the other clubs at our level. 4. I also read it that the £50k was in place, did you read it that the money wasn't already there? I believe we're taking £35k from there (leaving £15k) and then that will be replenished ultimately from the £2

I think the thug idea is a bit dated. I'd rather have a team of fit professionals than someone with crunching tackles in the middle. If we look at Celtic as an example, they do so well because of the fitness of their players throughout the season. As already highlighted, yeah they have Scott Brown. He works for them though because officials are scared to book him and he has a lot more to his game than just heavy tackling. We wouldn't have the luxury of the ref waiting until it's almost criminal before getting the book out.

SMISA have put their hands up they didn't have the right process in place to back-up the 1,400 and have said they'll try to do better to get to 1,300. Taking a potshot at anyone who's held their hands-up is kinda low don't you think? Former members having a go at falling SMISA numbers is like standing on a boat, saying 'it's going to sink' then punching the holes yourself.

I agree it's too much to fund and wouldn't have voted for it either (as an actual member) I do feel the club could make a donation to help in the set-up. I don't feel they should fund the women'd team though (not sure if that's what you meant) I feel for the women's team to be a success they need to be self-funded and raise funds themselves from an early stage in their life.

I think the important aspect you're missing is the contractual agreement written into BTB to be able to request this money. That means three things: 1. Legal right for St Mirren to ask 2. No legal right for SMISA to say no, they are contractually require to make this money available at the agreement of members (Or that's certainly how I've read it) 3. As we know it was a landslide Yes for members that voted. So in a nutshell, no assurances broken, previous grantees have actually been upheld and the fund use is directly in line with what the £50k facility was designed for. What's the issue? Any members that cancelled following this reconsidering their stance based on the new legal information?

Struggled to follow you a wee bit there but yeah you're right. I could do more, and if I had time I would volunteer, help out, and do what I can. Time isn't my friend right now (and hasn't been for a number of years) and that resulted in me making a conscious decision to do the larger £25 option because I knew I could give money easier than I could give time. Yeah it looks all good, member numbers are steady and we shouldn't have any real problems. I know there are a few on here worried about it but being so far over target is very positive. I also like how they've put their hands up and said 'Look we set a target but we didn't implement a correct strategy' that’s a great message and shows a willingness to improve strategy to get to the 1,300 number. Dare I say, a few critics or fans on the fence might see the light in regards to BTB now? Final information on the £50k, yep looks like pages and pages of moot points. Ring fenced funds ultimately not being used and there's a contractual agreement about SMISA giving the money from the £50k written into BTB, so no illegal concerns. Even for the staunchest critics of the vote surely can take positives from that.

Would rather be the one taking a wee off the cuff dig (Which has clearly triggered you, I'm sorry you're taking a wee bit of banter so hard) at the St Moan crowd, than in that crowd putting down all things St Mirren.

Did you not used to get 10% off with your season ticket before?

Nope, it was a justified observation giving the massive amount of negativity for everything and anything SMISA related from a very small minority of people on here.

I don’t think so but I think it’s a great idea. Let me know if you get word back and it’s set-up.

I’d be delighted if I’m proven wrong and the positivity the update deserves rings true.

Best way to contribute and if you can afford £12 a month, is to sign up. In regards to contributing a different way i’d email them direct.

SMISA have today emailed members details of the AR2018. They've also posted a more detailed update on the website if anyone cares to read. Few highlights I've noticed 1,257 current members, down from the peak of 1,375 but relatively steady; Target to raise to 1,300 by April 2019; and More clarity on the £50k spent at Ralston. Few other bits of useful information in there and well worth a read. All in all very positive and informative, so... Let the negativity begin as usual https://www.smisa.net/

Either you don't have an answer to how it' different or you're trolling... Probably both.

So very negative about the BTB aren’t you? GLS might turn around after 10 years and say no because he has legal ability (dubious) to do so... surely that’s not what you’re suggesting? I have only ever seen communication that it was interest free. If it wasn’t surely that’s better for SMISA? I know how people with your negative mindset don’t like anything that remotely benefits our football club.

Yes that is a fact. Surely you can now see its not the same as the previous post you quoted. No one can see that. I don’t see how you can comment that 88% of voters voted yes is not fact at one point then say it is a day later.

Oh well, done now. Fortunately it seems the majority of fans again see the benefit in this. Not saying they like it (I certainly don’t) but I can understand fully why this has happened. Wonder if the ones moaning were also moaning when it was W6/7...

Again ‘sense’ completely absent.

There’s no point in me answering your questions. The concept of ‘sense’ seems lost on you.

Sounds about right aye