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Possibly but it doesn't make great business sense at all. Giving someone a payrise and a clause that will mean you'll lose him in a few months for next to nothing anyway. The two are contradicting. No reason that giving the payrise couldn't of been on the grounds we protect our asset. £50k - £500k is nothing to a team in EC or Sunderland. On the same note, the amount we paid him extra for that few months will be a drop in the ocean compared to the Sunderland deal. I hope it's not true, it reflects a massive waste of money and a very poor business mind. A few people doubting the contract was actually signed in February. I'm starting to think that's more likely. No offical word from the club that it was I don't think. Maybe someone can clarify.

Oh aye dreadful. He got in the team of the week a good few times, made some massive saves (a few were absolutely world class) and broke a record. But it was all down to the defenders, we didn't even need a goalkeeper. I forgot you knew better than the MOTY, his staff and 99% of St Mirren fans The manager that got us promoted should of been sacked for offering a player a new contract, top trolling Shull. Have to say, back to your best.

Did Sammy do something inapproriate to you on the pitch after the Livi game or something?

Or another way to put it 'Jack Ross has been able to comand what he deserves for being a successful manager, that saved us from L1 football one season, then got us to the SP the 2nd. Him and his agent neogtiating a pitiful £50k release clause is a slight on whoever signed-off on the deal and not on Jack Ross in any way, shape or form'

If it has any impact on season tickets, the 'fans' than don't renew should be ashamed of themselves

I hope so, if someone signed-off on a £50k buyout clause and a massive wage increase for Jack Ross with us 14 points clear in February, they deserve to be instantly removed from their contract negotiation position.

This is my point, I agree with you. But why would we give him a new contract in February if it didn't offer us any further protection? Surely we'd just say stay on your same contract and go? It doesn't make any sense to get him to sign a new contract that offers us no further protection but gives him more money. If that's the case we'd of been better letting him leave, there's no way the league was being lost after February.

Sunderland AFC On 23rd May 2018, Jack Ross was named Manager of Sunderland AFC on an initial 2 year deal From Wiki, someone just can't wait

Can someone clarify the compensation situation? I don't understand it at all, some of the figures being quoted are shocking! According to most people Jack signed a new contract in February after the Barsnley interest when we were 14 points clear and the league was pretty much over. Surely anyone at the club negotiating with Jack Ross on this would be saying 'We'll give you more money but the league is over, we want a clause that means you can't walk away for pennies in the summer.' Win/ Win he gets more money and we get a fair compensation package. So where is the £50k compensation figure coming from?? If that's true we would of been better not giving him a new contract, saving the extra money we would of been paying him a month and letting him go if a club wated him in the summer for whatever the compensation was in his previous contract. I'm not saying this is the case, I'm asking if anyone has any more clarity on this?

Because they're in no rush and want to make the correct decison. they want to hear what Hurst has to say and make an informed decison on both candates. Saying they want Hurst more is only speculation and is based on nothing. He isn't available to talk right now it doesn't mean he's their number one. However in saying that, it looks like Ipswich have shot themselves in the foot by holding off. Very likely it'll be Hurst or back to the drawing board now.

After writting that big long message it looks like I could of just held off five minutes to prove this isn't accurate

Not sure how you can say it's accurate. Do you know something we don't? As far as has been made public, he could have been interviewed, they could want him and he's thinking it over, they're waiting for him to come back. These are all just as possible as your assumption. Which IMO is a needlessly negative one. As for the rest of your dressing down of our manager. Jack Ross won two MOTY awards, one by his peers. Your post is hinting at him not being as good as the other managers linked to the job which is simply wrong. I have no idea why a St Mirren fan would be so negative about our manager, when you can see the names he's up against. For one, there's nothing wrong with Linkedin, it's something I'm sure will be used in the future like for millions of businesses, it seemed to work seeing as the players he brought in January completed a great escape and for a considerable part of the end of the season were the most inform team, so what exactly is your issue with it? It's effectiveness? Looking at the managers linked: Rae absolutely nothing I need to say about him, lets be honest. Lennon, he failed miserably at Bolton, a team at a similar level. He'd of loved a 50% hit rate on signings, did okay this season to get 4th... With a team that had the 5th biggest budget Coleman has already failed in the role if we take LPM logic on JR getting Alloa relegated (as hilarious as that is) Mick McCarthy good pedigree but has moved Ipswich backwards in last five years, Michael Appleton doesn't have the most glittering CV and limited recent managerial experience and success. Are you saying all or at least most of these names are a better fit than the manager of the team you support? A team that's won their (much more competitve) league by a bigger margin than Celtic? And you base that assumption on Linkedin and an alleged 50% (given the number of players he signed, I'm assuming you realised he knew they wouldn't all be able to play/ break in like pretty much any manager at this level) signing failure... Curious

Haha a few more predictions for eight years from now: Pozbaird will be in his latest huff at being Sinbinned Stuart D will be on his 465th Username LPM will still be raging about that manager we had, that had the front to ask for a better deal and talk to other clubs after leading us to the SP and getting MOTY awards Shull will be furious that a 42 year old Samson has just signed a new contract in his testimonial year heard it here first

Based on?

Very pessimist assumption of our boss Stuart.

I would say wanting the situation to end soon isn’t a matter of right and wrong. Of course we all would want it to. The right or wrong relates to ending the situation and as I’ve pointed out we have absolutely no control over it. So him banging on about ultimatums is simply wrong.

He doesn’t, This is the price of success. No other manager in Scotland has two manager of year awards apart from Rodgers who was linked to Arsenal and West Ham. The only way round this is to have a manager no one wants. also Lennon is linked to Sunderland as well and Derby, Mciness was linked to Rangers and Sunderland. This isn’t just the radical Jack Ross only show. He just hates our manager and club. Does anyone genuinely think there is another manager on the planet that if in the same situation wouldn’t be doing something very similar to Ross?

Constantly haha.

So are you basically saying you don’t have an answer to what we do if the club follow your advice, give the gaffer an ultimatum and he simply says ‘no, i’ll Make my mind up when I want’? cool thought so. Back to the real world where we have to sit and wait on what happens.

Still waiting...

You really don’t get it. No other manager in Scotland is the managers choice manager of the year. Hopkins is being linked to at least three clubs and doing the same as Jack. Your point is redundant. I’ve asked you this before and you still fail to answer. If the club gives that ultimatum to Jack Ross and Ross simply says ‘nope I won’t decide by the weekend i’ll take my own time’ then what? The club is powerless.

We know you do haha

I thought this was done haha. Ifs and buts though. For me it’s a matter of trust. Trust that the people in charge of SMISA will not put us in that position, trust St Mirren would not make requests to put us in that position and trust the voting members wouldn’t vote to put us in that position. When you look at it rationally from a risk based approach the risk is absolutely tiny. It would rely on 1. A proposal that put us in that position 2. SMISA missing while costing the proposal that it would put us in that position 3. Finally paying members voting even though we risk going in that position. Not very likely those three things will happen. Especially given none of the three parties stand to financially benefit and it would be bad for the club we all support.

Oh I forgot you don’t like posts over 200 characters regardless of how much they disprove your point... haha

Yes I agree. My point is people saying ‘St Mirren come first’ and ‘he needs to make up his mind quickly’ no one is saying what we should do if Jack Ross simply says ‘no, i’ll Take as much time as I need to make my decision’ or ‘no I won’t sign a new contract because I want to keep my options open’ both are well with his right and some fans on here should be ashamed at themselves for even suggesting we have the right to push a man to make a life changing decision. Jack Ross decision should only be when he is ready to make it after talking with his family and considering all prospects. The other hilarious things about the ‘St Mirren come first’ and ‘hurry Jack Ross’ comments are he doesn’t appear to have a decision to make yet because no one as far as media and clubs can tell has offered him a job. People are so fast to make these comments, yet to see a single post of what we should do if Jack simply says no. We can only be patient, he holds all the cards.