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54 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

What does the league say? 

When Rangers died the league said it would give special dispensation to Charles Green's  brand new team (think it was the team name before sevco)  to use unsigned players from the deid club as members of his team to face Berwick.

The league also recognised  and said that Players were no longer tied to the deid club as it had... died.  You cannot be on contract to an entity that no longer exists.  That was why the best players - such as Alan McGregor managed to do walking away.  (Which they don't ever do, of course.)

The league also said it would allow a new club sevco into the league set up at the 4th division.  Despite this being against all of their rules for entry by new clubs - it had no experience, no 3 years of accounts to prove it was financially sound.

The name of the new club was changed from Sevco to...

well… to something that had never before been heard of!  

A Holding Company called Rangers International Football Club which only really ran one 'business venture' - The Rangers Football Club.  This was done merely to allow known "Glib and shameless liar" David Cunningham King (who had 40 odd criminal charges against him proven in South Africa) to 'manage/own the new club at one remove.  He wasn't fit to own a club otherwise.

 

The League then recognised how deid the deid club was - by making the new club (which wasn't Rangers) play in the preliminary opening rounds of the Scottish Cup - which, if it had been the club that was deid would not have had to happen.  Those rounds are for diddy cubs and new clubs.

 

Thank you for asking what the league said and thought of the unresurrected deid club which is not the current 'outfit'. 

The league, as you asked, has done lying somersaults to let idiots pretend that  it may be other than a dead club walking.  It still isnae.  :)

 

I'm sure this helps.

 

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2 minutes ago, antrin said:

When Rangers died the league said it would give special dispensation to Charles Green's  (think it was the team before sevco)  to use unsigned players from the deid club as members of his team to face Berwick.

The league also recognised  and said that Players were no longer tied to the deid club as it had... died.  You cannot be on contract to an entity that no longer exists.  That was why the best players - such as Alan McGregor managed to do walking away.  (Which they don't ever do, of course.)

The league also said it would allow a new club sevco into the league set up at the 4th division.  Despite this being against all of their rules for entry by new clubs - it had no experience, no 3 years of accounts to prove it was financially sound.

The name of the new club was changed from Sevco to...

well… to something that had never before been heard of!  

A Holding Company called Rangers International Football Club which only really ran one 'business venture' - The Rangers Football Club.  This was done merely to allow known "Glib and shameless liar" David Cunningham King (who had 40 odd criminal charges against him proven in South Africa) to 'manage/own the ne club at one remove.  He wasn't fit to own a club otherwise.

 

Thank you for asking what the league thought of the unresurrected deid club which is not the current 'outfit'. 

The league, as you asked, has done lying somersaults to let idiots pretend that  it may be other than a dead club walking.  It still isnae.  :)

 

I'm sure this helps.

 

It does indeed. 

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28 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

It does indeed. 

I've edited my post above, to include the fact that the new club started off at the very bottom - not only in the leagues but in the preliminary rounds of the cup, which no team that had been in Europe the previous year would have had the shame of having to do.

 

The league said that the new club had to do that.

 

My pleasure.  :)

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5 hours ago, antrin said:

I've edited my post above, to include the fact that the new club started off at the very bottom - not only in the leagues but in the preliminary rounds of the cup, which no team that had been in Europe the previous year would have had the shame of having to do.

 

The league said that the new club had to do that.

 

My pleasure.  :)

The part I struggle with is this. Rangers were registered with the league and had a licence to carry out matches within league and SFA rules. Was this transferable on a change of ownership of the club? If so.. It could be passed to another owner but the club did not die. Is that practical? 

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The part I struggle with is this. Rangers were registered with the league and had a licence to carry out matches within league and SFA rules. Was this transferable on a change of ownership of the club? If so.. It could be passed to another owner but the club did not die. Is that practical? 
Rangers (the club) accepted a points deduction when Rangers (the company) went into administration without ever trying to claim that they were two separate entities (that only happened when they died). To me, that signifies that even they saw themselves as one and the same.

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7 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:
19 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:
The part I struggle with is this. Rangers were registered with the league and had a licence to carry out matches within league and SFA rules. Was this transferable on a change of ownership of the club? If so.. It could be passed to another owner but the club did not die. Is that practical? 

Rangers (the club) accepted a points deduction when Rangers (the company) went into administration without ever trying to claim that they were two separate entities (that only happened when they died). To me, that signifies that even they saw themselves as one and the same.

I'm focused on the registration document and playing licence. 

Changes of ownership take place surely, but the registration stays in place, unless revoked? 

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I'm focused on the registration document and playing licence. 
Changes of ownership take place surely, but the registration stays in place, unless revoked? 
It was transferred to the new company that Charles Green set up, IIRC. Think antrin has already said that.

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56 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

 

 

54 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:
56 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:
I'm focused on the registration document and playing licence. 
Changes of ownership take place surely, but the registration stays in place, unless revoked? 

It was transferred to the new company that Charles Green set up, IIRC. Think antrin has already said that.

The deid club died..  it died along with its Licence/registration  and place in the league (which was taken by Dundee, don’t you remember?).

no change of ownership took place.  There was nothing to own.  Rangers died.  It has gone deceased. .  A Norwegian Glaswegian  blue, if you will...

 

Nothing was transferred.

a new company was created by a spiv, hoping to exploit credible bigots.  The scam has worked.

Green bought some of the assets from the administrators (who are still in the drawn-out process of administration that can only end in liquidation) and Green has used some of the assets to create a Frankenstein monster, follow followed by zombies, unironically.

 

the SFA/ spfl connived and cheated to allow the wholly new entity into the bottom league.

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13 minutes ago, antrin said:

 

The deid club died..  it died along with its Licence/registration  and place in the league (which was taken by Dundee, don’t you remember?).

no change of ownership took place.  There was nothing to own.  Rangers died.  It has gone deceased. .  A Norwegian Glaswegian  blue, if you will...

 

Nothing was transferred.

a new company was created by a spiv, hoping to exploit credible bigots.  The scam has worked.

Green bought some of the assets from the administrators (who are still in the drawn-out process of administration that can only end in liquidation) and Green has used some of the assets to create a Frankenstein monster, follow followed by zombies, unironically.

 

the SFA/ spfl connived and cheated to allow the wholly new entity into the bottom league.

Amen

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2 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:
2 hours ago, St.Ricky said:
I'm focused on the registration document and playing licence. 
Changes of ownership take place surely, but the registration stays in place, unless revoked? 

It was transferred to the new company that Charles Green set up, IIRC. Think antrin has already said that.

I get that. My problem is this. I know the company which owned the club went into liquidation I. E. Died.

How was CG able to obtain the rights to the registration from a company in administration / liquidation. Was money exchanged? 

The SFA etc appear therefore to have let another company use this licence. On what basis? Have they ever made this clear? 

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The deid club died..  it died along with its Licence/registration  and place in the league (which was taken by Dundee, don’t you remember?).
no change of ownership took place.  There was nothing to own.  Rangers died.  It has gone deceased. .  A Norwegian Glaswegian  blue, if you will...
 
Nothing was transferred.
a new company was created by a spiv, hoping to exploit credible bigots.  The scam has worked.
Green bought some of the assets from the administrators (who are still in the drawn-out process of administration that can only end in liquidation) and Green has used some of the assets to create a Frankenstein monster, follow followed by zombies, unironically.
 
the SFA/ spfl connived and cheated to allow the wholly new entity into the bottom league.
I get that. My problem is this. I know the company which owned the club went into liquidation I. E. Died.
How was CG able to obtain the rights to the registration from a company in administration / liquidation. Was money exchanged? 
The SFA etc appear therefore to have let another company use this licence. On what basis? Have they ever made this clear? 
The Glaswegian Blue essentially had two membership "tokens", one for the SPL and one for the SFA. The SPL one was taken from them and given to Dundee. The SFA allowed their one to be transferred from the nearly dead parrot to Green's company. If you want any more detail than that, Google's your friend, not me.

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1 hour ago, Slartibartfast said:

The Glaswegian Blue essentially had two membership "tokens", one for the SPL and one for the SFA. The SPL one was taken from them and given to Dundee. The SFA allowed their one to be transferred from the nearly dead parrot to Green's company. If you want any more detail than that, Google's your friend, not me.

Thanks Slarti. 

No need for more. These were the key points for me. 

Appreciated. 

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8 minutes ago, DougJamie said:

Yes I am

 

 

You gotta a problem with that...………….:P

Not at all, but maybe you should Stop before it gets Too Much for you and you need to Holler for help.  But If You Wanna Have Some Fun then Do It and Never Give Up On The Good Times, you don't need to Tell Me Why that's what you like even if I do think that there is Something Kinda Funny about it.

 

(I had to Google all of them - honest injun, guv :D )

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54 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Not at all, but maybe you should Stop before it gets Too Much for you and you need to Holler for help.  But If You Wanna Have Some Fun then Do It and Never Give Up On The Good Times, you don't need to Tell Me Why that's what you like even if I do think that there is Something Kinda Funny about it.

 

(I had to Google all of them - honest injun, guv :D )

Bollox-why don't you tell me what you want ( what you really really want)

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I get that. My problem is this. I know the company which owned the club went into liquidation I. E. Died.
How was CG able to obtain the rights to the registration from a company in administration / liquidation. Was money exchanged? 
The SFA etc appear therefore to have let another company use this licence. On what basis? Have they ever made this clear? 


The “company” did not own the “club”

The company and club were one and the same

The company / club went into liquidation

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33 minutes ago, Hiram Abiff said:

 


The “company” did not own the “club”

The company and club were one and the same

The company / club went into liquidation
 

 

Hiram. 

Any business can own a football team. The business registers with the appropriate authority and then holds the licence. Ownership of St Mirren and many others has changed many times over the years, the difference being that there was no transfer of the registration from one business to another. In the case of Rangers, as was, administration and liquidation took place. The assets of the liquidated business included, some might say wrongly, the registration that was held by the business. This and other assets were transferred to Sevco. The judgement then was for Scotland's Football Authorities to grant the continuance of that registration / licence or not. Whether you or I like it or not they chose to agree to the transfer with conditions attached. The main amongst these was that there would be no loss of Football Related Monies owed to either the Governing Bodies or Member Clubs. You might remember that Dundee United were due a decent sum. Had the football authorities voted differently then these monies would not be paid. That's one reason why clubs voted in agreement re the registration transfer and with it, the continuation of the football team as it is now. I'm more concerned that a judge could say that the EBT's didn't confer any football benefit to Rangers and that ergo they could keep their trophies. That seems just stupid to me. 

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