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Aye, that's the bit that truly astounds me, also.

That’s not surprisingly stupid of you, given how often I appear to have made a similar wrong assumption. You bicker about simple straightforward statements, and present yourself as being unable to understand basic English.

Milton Jones, as always with his finger firmly on the pulse... "What is driving Brexit? Feels like the Duke of Edinburgh."

It may be a hypothesis, but does it come in 8 or 12 slices?

Let no one ever be this mistaken. ^^^^ It was not “we” who had our chance to do anything. It was not a “Remain side” that wrote the question. All of this was the responsibility and failure of the Tory party in a vain attempt to pacify its nutters. Solely - the Tories, ALL their fault. The chaos of crashing out with no deal is trying to be ameliorated by sensible people who also represent millions of disenfranchised voters.

I'll keep believing div, till the witching hour of 7.00pm when all will be revealed.

3 most fatal for her and the Tories are: Stopping Freedom of Movement (even Norway's suggested style of Union guarantees Freedom of Movement) UK having its own Trade Policy (That would keep us out of the Customs Union) Retaining the Union (the Ulster border backstop is proving fatal to EU's and swivel-eyed Brexiteer's acceptance) I hope this helps?

If May gets rid of her self-imposed Red Lines for Brexit, a deal could be done - but that would lose the support of her right wing xenophobic Tories and so destroy her party. If she surrenders to them and propels us into a No Deal brexit, then that would destroy the country. An easy choice for normal people.

I notice that in your responses to me you avoid tackling the points I make. A common problem with swivel-eyed Brexiteers. Mogg, Johnson, Gove, farrage, yourself are great at promising everything will be fine in the No Deal promised land, and yet refuse to answer any of the doubts and questions raised by those who are less optimistic. instead you resort to ad hominem comments.. not bright and not unexpected. For the same reason, oakshite will be annoyed at you correcting his misspelling of my nom de plume. He uses that as ad hominem when he runs out of intelligent response. Eg every post to me. I think oakshite is being too respectful to him. What do you think? (saves you addressing any problems Brexit may cause). and also respectfully, just because you can’t see logic doesn’t mean it’s not there - you may well be the weak link in that chain. Not me.

Fair enough. i was giving you the benefit of the doubt - speaking to you as a normal sentient being - that you weren’t as thick as you’re now admitting. i apologise for that.

Actually… Wrong. It was a vote to leave. That I can agree with. But it was not a vote to leave as you say... in the same way as in it was not a vote to leave by sticking sharp sticks in our eyes, poke hot irons up our arse or follow sevco forever after. It was merely a vote to leave. What the canny swivel-eyed Brexiteers and May have managed to negotiate as their leave deal (Because in an adult world,there must be agreements about splitting up) is so much worse than people could have imagined and much, much worse that what we have, already. How can you enjoy a debate when you don't grasp the basics? That must be very frustrating.

Actually… Wrong. It was a vote to leave. That I can agree with. But it was not a vote to leave as you say... in the same way as in it was not a vote to leave by sticking sharp sticks in our eyes, poke hot irons up our arse or follow sevco forever after. It was merely a vote to leave. What the canny swivel-eyed Brexiteers and May have managed to negotiate as their leave deal (Because in an adult world,there must be agreements about splitting up) is so much worse than people could have imagined and much, much worse that what we have, already.

First line I saw in the link stated that it was filmed following Drone Rules (or words to that effect.) It wisnae loading for me so that's all I really noticed...

Beginning to think you MAY not be a Buddie. What's with all these craply realistic comments?! With the signing of a couple of players, deleting of many more and a week or so wi nae fitba, REAL Buddies expect this to be a walkover - even if it was Barcelona that Saints were facing. We never learn... I'll take a nail-biting 1-0 for Saints.

Are you the same person day to day? Or is your body renewing in myriad ways, constantly? Or is your alleged scientific bent in some obscure, irrelevant silo - with no access to general knowledge?

That was always a part of the Uk's relationship with the EU. (And should have been a basic ongoing instinct of any member nation.) Nothing would have changed in that respect - it was not a new promise, a new offer - it was simply a case of remaining, of continuing the status quo, as in life, constantly changing but remaining the same. Why the f**k would anyone sane even contemplate how Remain would be changing anything? A slippery memory is the least of your worries when you come out with absurdities like that.

This is lunacy. Simplistic pishy wittering, as you call it. The kind of Remain that was being offered was remain. Not changing anything. Not negotiating timeshares in Estonia, not setting sideways trade deals with the Cook Islands not f**kin' anything but Remain! It was just remaining. It's the duty of those wishing to change a status quo to justify the reasons for doing so that off a better deal than Remain. They did. They lied. Big style on the side of Busses. And instead of Taking Back Control, we are now scrabbling to find any means by which we can retain any sort of control.

Yes. It's very different. Due to UK Parliamentary Sovereignty, it's a constitutionally non-binding way of finding a bit about how the population feels. For some unknown reason, {glory as the PM who did it?), May decided that as 30% of potential voters in the UK agreed with the swivel-eyed Brexit nutters pulling her own party apart that she'd go with that. Then she rushed far too fast into it, announcing our leaving as soon as she could - with no need for such a rush - and while her Brexiteer ministers had yet to find out just how costly the whole exercise would be for the country. Here's an example: John Allan - President of the CBI on BBC Radio 4 this morning. "The notion that we throw away the free trade agreements that we have with the EU and through the EU, that account for about 70% of our trade, and trade successfully under WTO rules is frankly cloud-cuckoo land."

Aye... I clocked that, as well....

Wrong thread in which to post simplistic, erroneous comments about Brexit. Even if a dreamland Brexit did ever occur, there would be no more control of immigration than at present (any trade deals with China or India, for example, will definitely include big immigration from both countries - same with African Trade deals) and we will spend millions on ensuring our goods and services comply with ALL the countries with whom we do trade.

The Brexit vote had no hint of what deals might be nor how hard it would be to achieve anything approaching what we already had in place. May could have led the country towards a leave. She would have needed to convince people that her Red Lines were realistic. She didn't - and that's why the MPs voted as they did. The Remainers saw it as having to take all the rules of the EU with less power, less influence over new rules and less benefits than we already have. She tried to curry favour with the swivel-eyed Brexiteers who will never be satisfied. She appointed THEM to carry out THEIR mission. One by one they realised their stupidity, failed to make progress, then resigned as they didn't want the ones to be blamed for having failed to understand reality. Yet she piled onwards, whilst knowing that EU would not allow FREE entry to their market AND 'power' to influence it by a member that didn't want to contribute towards it and also that its insistence of free movement within the market for its members was sacrosanct. The Brexiteers refused to accept that and their Little Englander (but NOT London!) mentality still can't see the hard realities. You can't freely use a gym's facilities without paying a membership subscription or by paying a bit more than members if you just want to pop in now and then. And if you do pop in, you have to comply with the rules of the place. I have yet to see the slightest sign of the Commonwealth countries or the USA piling in to shower the Brexiteers with trade deals and bright promises for our future.

He’s done it in the past and was, I read, (Sunday Times: David Walsh) “ excellent”. it was during a previous period of illness and apparently the biggest reason for him perhaps not punditting... ...would be the inordinate periods of time cooped up in a small cramped box, unable to move much. It proved painfully difficult for his hip/back.

It’ll be a long wait...

And have you seen this wee fan's reaction to it? I'm thinking he may not be from Greenock...

I see your point, Loyal person.. THAT would only appeal to Loyal sevco fans.