The Conservative And Unionist Party

[RickMcD]

You're making less sense with every post

Then you'll be able to empathise with him then.

[iTony]

You're making less sense with every post

Didn't you read the famous "White Paper"? It basically blamed Westminster and anyone and everyone for the ills of the country. It was full of promises that could only have been fulfilled in a fantasy land that only George Lucas or Walt Disney could have created. Why don't you just tell your child/children that "all of those big baddies that didn't vote the same as Daddy are to blame" for whatever was being shown on the television programme you were referring to?

[iTony]

Then you'll be able to empathise with him then.

I try my best to go down to their level to help them understand and they still look like a house with lights on but no-one is home.

[iTony]

That's good because I fully expected that reply from you. Here fishy, fishy. :

You're not very good at this trolling nonsense are you?!

[Phil McCracken]

Watching the STV appeal, having to explain to my kid why other kids parents can't afford to heat their houses or feed them properly.

I'd be interested in your explanation to them....

My mother in law doesn't have any difficulty heating her house... or going on holiday to Turkey. She's off to York on another week long holiday next week.

My wife was brought up in "poverty". She sits in wonderment when she sees stuff on TV like that and is unable to explain it either.

Go on then Tony. What was the answer you gave them from your comfortable middle class socialist experience of life?

[iTony]

Still biting then fishy?

Is that street slang for you want to meet up?

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle

[Guest TPAFKATS]

And again

[iTony]

Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle

I'm not saying that it is true but the first one looks like the text has been cut from different articles and pasted together to form a new one. If you look at the enlarged text you can see the grey boxes around certain words and white gaps where the previous words have stopped. This is all just my opinion of course and as I've said already, I'm not saying that is true, I'm just saying that's what it looks like.

And again

This second one looks more "professional" if you will. The text and photo doesn't look "doctored" in anyway.

Overall 1/10 for the effort of propaganda. It doesn't quite reach the requirements that the "Yes Campaign" would have been proud of but it is an effort at the end of the day.

Edited October 9, 2014 by iTony

[salmonbuddie]

Getting back to the point of this thread, how f**ked is the C&UP now after those by-election results.

[Stuart Dickson]

The RAH was only opened in 1986 so I doubt he was born there. Paisley Maternity was there before then - from about the mid 70's I think, when Ross Maternity Hospital in Hawkhead Road closed. Before that, and probably overlapping, there was Barshaw Maternity Hospital from the 20's until the late 50's. Most people of my age that I know were actually born in Thornhill Hospital, Elderslie, as I was. Weirdly, though, on some of their birth certificates it says Thorn Hospital and on some it says Thornhill Hospital, even though it was exactly the same place (unless, of course, there were actually two separate hospitals in the grounds but I don't think so). It wasn't to do with a change of name either, as they all overlap. That was during the 60's baby boom era so I assume that there just wasn't space at Ross Hospital (or the adjacent Hawkhead Hospital that was sometimes used as overspill) to accommodate all the mothers-to-be.

And yes, I would have preferred it if you had chosen the "Mama" thread.

I was born in Ross Hospital in Paisley, unfortunately.

[salmonbuddie]

"Unfortunately" for all of us on B&WA?

[smcc]

The RAH was only opened in 1986 so I doubt he was born there. Paisley Maternity was there before then - from about the mid 70's I think, when Ross Maternity Hospital in Hawkhead Road closed. Before that, and probably overlapping, there was Barshaw Maternity Hospital from the 20's until the late 50's. Most people of my age that I know were actually born in Thornhill Hospital, Elderslie, as I was. Weirdly, though, on some of their birth certificates it says Thorn Hospital and on some it says Thornhill Hospital, even though it was exactly the same place (unless, of course, there were actually two separate hospitals in the grounds but I don't think so). It wasn't to do with a change of name either, as they all overlap. That was during the 60's baby boom era so I assume that there just wasn't space at Ross Hospital (or the adjacent Hawkhead Hospital that was sometimes used as overspill) to accommodate all the mothers-to-be.

And yes, I would have preferred it if you had chosen the "Mama" thread.

Ross Hospital (later a nurses home and finally the headquarters of the now-defunct Argyll and Clyde Health Board) was originally built in 1956 by the Western Regional Hospital Board as an overspill for Glasgow Maternity Hospitals and was run by the Glasgow Maternity and Women's Hospital Management Committee. It closed in 1973. Renfrewshire expectant mothers were normally dealt with at the Thorn Hospital. Presumably SD's parents were resident in Glasgow.

Hawhead Hospital was never used for maternity services. It was built in 1934 as an infectious diseases hospital with separate pavilions and, as infectious diseases became less prevalent, some of the pavilions were used as convalescent wards for the medical and surgical units of the Royal Alexandra Infirmary, one for minor gynaecological procedures and others for the bacteriology and biochemistry labs.

Edited October 10, 2014 by smcc

[iTony]

I'm aware what Hawkhead was built for originally but, as you say, it wasn't all used for that all the time. A friend of mine from school was born in Hawkhead Hospital in 1965. His parents stayed in the high flats in Hunterhill at the time. I've only got his mother's word for this but apparently she was taken to Ross Maternity first and transferred to Hawkhead (by being pushed in a bed) as Ross Maternity was full. I don't know if this was a common occurrence or not but I do know (unless his mother was lying all those years ago, but I don't see why she would) that it was used at least once for overspill from Ross Maternity. Hawkhead also had a paediatric ward for the Argyll & Clyde community child health services.

But, anyway, all I was trying to do was show that Dorothy wasn't born in the RAH as fishy "claimed".

I don't know about "Fishy" and whoever he/she is, but when I made a post, I never "claimed" that Stuart D was born in the RAH. I said he had implied he had been born in Paisley and I said I thought it was RAH. Not actually coming from Paisley and the Paisley area and only living in it when I got older this was an easy mistake to make. I didn't know the history of Hospitals in Paisley apart from the fact that one of my Aunts worked in one of them for a while before I was born. So you see, you're just making things up again to suit your Natsi-esque agenda.

Edited October 10, 2014 by iTony

[iTony]

FFS. That's why I put "claimed" in the inverted commas. Are you just naturally stupid or is it the result of many years of practice?

But even putting it in inverted commas was wrong as I didn't do any such thing. You could have said that I "suggested" or "hinted" but when you said "claim" you were just playing to the gallery and making bad use of what the word "claim" actually means. You suggest you have a job on another thread - are you sure?

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Bake off...

[Stuart Dickson]

Ross Hospital (later a nurses home and finally the headquarters of the now-defunct Argyll and Clyde Health Board) was originally built in 1956 by the Western Regional Hospital Board as an overspill for Glasgow Maternity Hospitals and was run by the Glasgow Maternity and Women's Hospital Management Committee. It closed in 1973. Renfrewshire expectant mothers were normally dealt with at the Thorn Hospital. Presumably SD's parents were resident in Glasgow.

Hawhead Hospital was never used for maternity services. It was built in 1934 as an infectious diseases hospital with separate pavilions and, as infectious diseases became less prevalent, some of the pavilions were used as convalescent wards for the medical and surgical units of the Royal Alexandra Infirmary, one for minor gynaecological procedures and others for the bacteriology and biochemistry labs.

Aye they lived in Battlefield in Glasgow. My Dad used to tell me that my Mum was taken to Paisley during a bus strike and one of the worst winter snaps Scotland had seen and he had to walk in deep snow to see me.

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

Aye they lived in Battlefield in Glasgow. My Dad used to tell me that my Mum was taken to Paisley during a bus strike and one of the worst winter snaps Scotland had seen and he had to walk in deep snow to see me.

Are you now confessing that in actual fact you love your father ? If I remember right you had a deep angry feeling towards your father ?

Maybe that's what's wrong with you Stuart , why your all confused about so many subjects.

Sit down take a deep breath , now tell us all about it.....

[Guest TPAFKATS]

A message to you Ruthie...

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Lord Freud, Tory Welfare Reform Minister, what a c**t

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lord-freud-tory-welfare-minister-accused-of-claiming-disabled-people-are-not-worth-the-minimum-wage-9796062.html

[Stuart Dickson]

Lord Freud, Tory Welfare Reform Minister, what a c**t

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lord-freud-tory-welfare-minister-accused-of-claiming-disabled-people-are-not-worth-the-minimum-wage-9796062.html

Interesting that the Independent newspaper should fail to detail the question to provide the relevant context. And no surprise that you would choose a source that only provides half the story.

I guess you too would rather put severely disabled people in a box that says they are incapable of achieving their aim of as normal a life as possible because employers can't make a profit from paying them minimum wage. Freud was foolish in his choice of words but that's all he's done wrong here. He certainly isn't a "c**t" as you so eloquently put it. Instead he was thinking out loud about the possibility of looking into some sort of solution that would help the person in question - a solution that didn't involve making them a company director to circumvent the law.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Stuart Dickson

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Wow, let's hear how your version of the context makes his quote better?

[oaksoft]

Interesting that the Independent newspaper should fail to detail the question to provide the relevant context. And no surprise that you would choose a source that only provides half the story.

I guess you too would rather put severely disabled people in a box that says they are incapable of achieving their aim of as normal a life as possible because employers can't make a profit from paying them minimum wage. Freud was foolish in his choice of words but that's all he's done wrong here. He certainly isn't a "c**t" as you so eloquently put it. Instead he was thinking out loud about the possibility of looking into some sort of solution that would help the person in question - a solution that didn't involve making them a company director to circumvent the law.

In fairness he's employing your modus operandi.

Why are you having a problem with others doing exactly what you do?

[Stuart Dickson]

Wow, let's hear how your version of the context makes his quote better?

Not mines - go to the BBC iPlayer and watch Daily Politics on BBC2 yesterday. Go to 1hr and 5 minutes into the programme and listen to Nick Robinson put the full context into the question. The guys mistake was to attempt to answer the question but then he's not your traditional politician who's been trained to deflect with platitudes whilst saying nothing. When put in context the quotes are nowhere near as bad as are being reported, or as bad as you've made out.

There is an issue in society where we write people off as being too disabled to be of any use and that's frankly wrong. Freud here was trying to assist in a situation where a severely disabled person wanted to work for their own self esteem and to have a social life of some sort. The kind of response that has come as a result has meant that instead of the issue being openly looked at to try to find a resolution, it's now going to be shut down immediately as politicians fear that if they say something it could be edited, or twisted by those who seek to score political points rather than assist the electorate.

What's really sad here is that Freud is actually very different to the kind of person who usually takes on these jobs. He isn't paid at all for his work. He is a Conservative, but he was appointed to his post in Welfare by Tony Blair and kept there by Gordon Brown. He made a great deal of money out of his work in the City, retired at 53 cause he was bored and accepted the opportunity to be involved in shaping policy on welfare for three different Prime Ministers - something he has a passion for.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Yes, paying a disabled person less, as they may not contribute as much ( his view, not mine) really helps them escape from the 'box' and feel like a normal member of the workforce.

People trying to defend his words by saying companies can't make a profit paying minimum wage to disabled people...seriously!